Blazers Looking To Move Into The Lottery?

[Schilly]

I am pretty sure GM's use a different basic criteria than fans do in terms of evaluating College players and how that will translate to the NBA. I honestly believe that many fans/posters have a difficult time seeing anything beyond the here and now. They try to downplay hype, these guys were saying "I wouldn't trade Rasheed for the #1 pick, that Lebron kid is unproven and I doubt he'll ever be an all star even". GM's with that mindset fail fast.

 

[cmeese47]

Maybe Randle or Smart would drop, and with Smart you could move Lillard to the two.

Smart plays more like Harden than an actual PG

 

[cmeese47]

Wasn't your scout friend really high on Babbitt, comparing him to Chris Mullin?

Lol

 

[Schilly]

A good example is people downplaying a comparison between Wiggins and Jordan by pointing out Jordans success as a Junior compared to Wiggins as a Freshman. No before people guffaw, I am not saying I expect Wiggins to be of that level... Just pointing out the comparison.

As a freshman Jordan
31mpg
13.5ppg
4.4rpg
1.8apg
0.2bpg
1.2spg

Wiggins
32.8 mpg
17.1 ppg
5.9 rpg
1.5 apg
1.0 bpg
1.2 spg

Statistically very comparable, edge goes to Wiggins actually... And he was also playing on a loaded team BTW. Of course you can't just go by stats (see Adam Morrison). This is where GM's and scouts differ from fans.

 

[Schilly]

Smart plays more like Harden than an actual PG

Not a huge fan of NBADRAFT.net but their NBA comparison for Smart is Dwayne Wade. My biggest concern is we would have 2 guards under 6'4" as our starters.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Wasn't your scout friend really high on Babbitt, comparing him to Chris Mullin?

He was. Said poor man's Chris Mullin. I still tease him about that, and he still stands by it. LOL No one is perfect

 

[PtldPlatypus]

He was. Said poor man's Chris Mullin. I still tease him about that, and he still stands by it. LOL No one is perfect

Not trying to impugn you/him; but you did ask. Outside of that one, I can't recall what other opinions of his you've shared with the forum.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Not a huge fan of NBADRAFT.net but their NBA comparison for Smart is Dwayne Wade. My biggest concern is we would have 2 guards under 6'4" as our starters.

So then what site do you use then?

 

[Mediocre Man]

So then what site do you use then?

Cowherd made that comparison today based on Chad Ford's conversation with him. In that mold basically

 

[Mediocre Man]

Not trying to impugn you/him; but you did ask. Outside of that one, I can't recall what other opinions of his you've shared with the forum.

I think the only other one I can remember him swinging and missing on is RoLo. He thought it was a decent pick up, but I don't think he, like Neil, thought it would be this good

 

[Schilly]

So then what site do you use then?

nbadraft.net in general has pretty bad scouting info, and isn't very accurate. Draftexpress is way better.

 

[Mediocre Man]

nbadraft.net in general has pretty bad scouting info, and isn't very accurate. Draftexpress is way better.

Way better.

 

[cmeese47]

nbadraft.net in general has pretty bad scouting info, and isn't very accurate. Draftexpress is way better.

There info is usually not often updated it is an interesting site for future drafts but by the time current draft comes around their information is dated.

 

[Schilly]

nbadraft.net seems to be more of a fan site that uses hype rather than scouting. draftexpress actually goes to the combines and camps and does real scouting.

 

[MickZagger]

Two guys that I'd love to see us go after in this draft that I think are attainable are Gary Harris and Mitch McGary. I've always liked Smart a lot but I think a lot of other teams drafting in the lotto do as well. Another guy who intrigues me a lot is Elfrid Payton. He's supposed to be a lock down defender. Don't know much about Saric, would like to see more.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I love LMA rumors.

PapaG fuuuuhreaks out every time.

I believe the term is "pants shitting"

 

[Pinwheel1]

I am not sure what to think about Smart. Other than his size, what does he bring to the table? Maybe I just caught him on off nights. But he does not seem to be super athletic for a PG, he does not seem to be a great shooter or passer, or defender. I think he is OK at all of those, but will he be great at anything?

 

[cmeese47]

Two guys that I'd love to see us go after in this draft that I think are attainable are Gary Harris and Mitch McGary. I've always liked Smart a lot but I think a lot of other teams drafting in the lotto do as well. Another guy who intrigues me a lot is Elfrid Payton. He's supposed to be a lock down defender. Don't know much about Saric, would like to see more.

You want a lock down defender then we should be trying to get the Greek Freak's Brother

 

[Schilly]

You want a lock down defender then we should be trying to get the Greek Freak's Brother

Yep, that kid might end up being the steal of the draft.

 

[PapaG]

A good example is people downplaying a comparison between Wiggins and Jordan by pointing out Jordans success as a Junior compared to Wiggins as a Freshman. No before people guffaw, I am not saying I expect Wiggins to be of that level... Just pointing out the comparison.

As a freshman Jordan
31mpg
13.5ppg
4.4rpg
1.8apg
0.2bpg
1.2spg

Wiggins
32.8 mpg
17.1 ppg
5.9 rpg
1.5 apg
1.0 bpg
1.2 spg

Statistically very comparable, edge goes to Wiggins actually... And he was also playing on a loaded team BTW. Of course you can't just go by stats (see Adam Morrison). This is where GM's and scouts differ from fans.

Comparing a freshman playing under Dean Smith in an era where players rarely left college after 3 years, let alone one year, to a one-and-done player like Wiggins doesn't really mean much to me.

Tyler Hansbrough averaged 18/8 and shot 57% as a freshmen. Did that make him Karl Malone in the NBA?

Some other great freshman seasons.

Kenny Anderson, Georgia Tech
Key Statistics: 20.6 ppg, 8.1 apg, 5.5 rpg, 51.5 FG percentage, 41.0 3-point FG percentage

Wayman Tisdale, Oklahoma
Key Statistics: 24.5 ppg, 10.3 rpg, 2.5 bpg, 58 percent FG percentage

Chris Jackson, LSU
Key Statistics: 30.2 ppg, 4.1 apg, 49 percent FG percentage

None of these players ended up better than Jordan.

 

[PapaG]

I am not sure what to think about Smart. Other than his size, what does he bring to the table? Maybe I just caught him on off nights. But he does not seem to be super athletic for a PG, he does not seem to be a great shooter or passer, or defender. I think he is OK at all of those, but will he be great at anything?

He's a head case. Are people forgetting that about him?

 

[Natebishop3]

The only reason why I go to nbadraft.net is for their draft history section. I use it to look up past drafts, like 1996 (which I was discussing with PapaG).

 

[BigGameDamian]

The only reason why I go to nbadraft.net is for their draft history section. I use it to look up past drafts, like 1996 (which I was discussing with PapaG).

Bo Kemble got drafted in 1990 that was a pretty good draft.

 

[PDXFonz]

If the Blazers don't end up with a draft pick(not specifically a lottery pick) then I will buy everyone in this thread a round of beers.

 

[Schilly]

The only reason why I go to nbadraft.net is for their draft history section. I use it to look up past drafts, like 1996 (which I was discussing with PapaG).

Draft express has that too.

 

[BBert]

If the Blazers don't end up with a draft pick(not specifically a lottery pick) then I will buy everyone in this thread a round of beers.

I'm in! (I'm only here for the beer.)

 

[PapaG]

I'm in! (I'm only here for the beer.)

I'm in too, but I also think that Portland will end up with a pick in the draft. Probably a late first if they really like someone, or if not, a 2nd to draft some overseas player to be maybe brought over in 2 to 4 years.

 

[RR7]

The only reason why I go to nbadraft.net is for their draft history section. I use it to look up past drafts, like 1996 (which I was discussing with PapaG).

You can get draft history from basketball-reference, with the nice ability to then clock over and look at a guy's stats.
Best part of nbadraft.net is looking back on old comparisons. Some are ok, but so many are just ridiculous.

Josh McRoberts, a less athletic Chris Webber. lol.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I'm in! (I'm only here for the beer.)

Same here! Sounds win win to me!

 

[STOMP]

Nothing like passing on a hyped wing talent for a big man with an injury issue.

a big man with injury issues was the hub of this franchises only championship & boy do I wish Sabas had came over earlier to join Clyde & Co

STOMP