Blazers make another pitch for Amare?

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Fez said:
The Bulls package is very poor. PHX would get an expiring but neither Tyrus or Noah are starters on a playoff team. Thomas, though having a good stretch of games, is still a 6'7" PF with no post game or jumper. He's a hustle player you'd bring off the bench.

Talent wise, Phx best bet is the Blazers.
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The Grizzlies could offer more for Amare. They could take back less salary I believe, getting Phoenix under the luxury tax, while also giving up decent young prospects. At least better prospects than the Bulls by far
 
JFizzleRaider said:
The Grizzlies could offer more for Amare. They could take back less salary I believe, getting Phoenix under the luxury tax, while also giving up decent young prospects. At least better prospects than the Bulls by far
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Yeah but the Grizzlies turned down the trade offer from the Suns. I just don't think they want Amare's big contract that much.
 
The Grizz apparently already rejected PHX offer of Amare for Gay and Conley. They are a franchise with financial issues as well. So I really don't know if Memphis is a real possibility.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
The Grizzlies could offer more for Amare. They could take back less salary I believe, getting Phoenix under the luxury tax, while also giving up decent young prospects. At least better prospects than the Bulls by far
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Sarver apparently called Memphis, so he probably liked the idea of trading with them and taking back much less salary. But Memphis supposedly isn't interested...they probably don't think Amare would re-sign.
 
Fez said:
And you think mediocre prospects like Tyrus Thomas and Jokim Noah can get it done? Phoenix would be the door mat of the NBA for many moons to come if they took that. But I'm pretty sure they aren't that stupid.
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Tyrus Thomas is a more attractive prospect than Bayless at this point.

And the Bulls trade would probably be ending up more salary friendly for the Suns. The Blazers trade, assuming the same incoming package (Amare, Amudson, Barnes) sheds $1.948 million off Phoenix's cap. The Bulls package (Thomas, Gooden, Simmons) sheds $4.021. The Bulls could then do a second deal, such as Alando Tucker for the Bulls trade excpetion in a wink wink deal, and bam, Phoenix is under the luxury tax, and is beginning to collect luxury tax revenues from the other teams. Much more financially attractive than the Blazers package.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Tyrus Thomas is a more attractive prospect than Bayless at this point.

And the Bulls trade would probably be ending up more salary friendly for the Suns. The Blazers trade, assuming the same incoming package (Amare, Amudson, Barnes) sheds $1.948 million off Phoenix's cap. The Bulls package (Thomas, Gooden, Simmons) sheds $4.021. The Bulls could then do a second deal, such as Alando Tucker for the Bulls trade excpetion in a wink wink deal, and bam, Phoenix is under the luxury tax, and is beginning to collect luxury tax revenues from the other teams. Much more financially attractive than the Blazers package.
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I really don't think Thomas is a more attactive prospect then Bayless and I have a feeling the Suns really want Bayless as do many teams that want to trade with the Blazers. I would rather keep Bayless and would only even want to trade him if we got a great trade like Amare for him.
 
Minstrel said:
*nod* If that's the case, so be it. Portland still wins on talent in a big way. But I'd even do Rudy + Batum, to avoid losing Bayless.
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Who cares about Bayless... if we're getting D. Harris back by trading Amare to NJ.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Tyrus Thomas is a more attractive prospect than Bayless at this point.

And the Bulls trade would probably be ending up more salary friendly for the Suns. The Blazers trade, assuming the same incoming package (Amare, Amudson, Barnes) sheds $1.948 million off Phoenix's cap. The Bulls package (Thomas, Gooden, Simmons) sheds $4.021. The Bulls could then do a second deal, such as Alando Tucker for the Bulls trade excpetion in a wink wink deal, and bam, Phoenix is under the luxury tax, and is beginning to collect luxury tax revenues from the other teams. Much more financially attractive than the Blazers package.
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As a prospect, Bayless should be more appealing. Jarryd will be a starter and a good one in the future. Tyrus is NOT a starter. He's a hustle player who, at his best, would be a team's Travis Outlaw off the bench.

Thomas, Gooden, Simmons, and this is supposed to be a good package? This package alone doesn't reach the value of Raef's (insurance covered) expiring deal.
 
graybeard said:
Who cares about Bayless... if we're getting D. Harris back by trading Amare to NJ.
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If Portland is getting Devin Harris, then I'd happily send Bayless for Amare. But if Portland can't swing that, I don't know what other good young point guards they can target.
 
Fez said:
As a prospect, Bayless should be more appealing. Jarryd will be a starter and a good one in the future. Tyrus is NOT a starter. He's a hustle player who, at his best, would be a team's Travis Outlaw off the bench.

Thomas, Gooden, Simmons, and this is supposed to be a good package? This package alone doesn't reach the value of Raef's (insurance covered) expiring deal.
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Thomas is beginning to become a lot like Andre Kirileinko, only fiercer. After the bad November, his season stats have improved to 9.7 PPG 6.0 RPG 1.8 BPG 1.1 SPG. Those are some pretty solid numbers. He still has to work on the rebounding, and he has a lot of good offensive moves and can dribble, he just needs to learn finish better. He's developing a nice jumpshot. His block/steal numbers are just really good though.

In February, he's been outstanding, which is why there is so much buzz around him all of a sudden.

I'm not sold on him becoming that third guy for Chicago behind Rose and Gordon, thus why I have no problem trading anything outside of Rose on the Bulls roster (and by extension, Gordon, since he can't be traded) for Amare. But Thomas is only 22 years old, and is starting to put it together. He's no longer looking like a big bust.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Tyrus Thomas is a more attractive prospect than Bayless at this point.

And the Bulls trade would probably be ending up more salary friendly for the Suns. The Blazers trade, assuming the same incoming package (Amare, Amudson, Barnes) sheds $1.948 million off Phoenix's cap. The Bulls package (Thomas, Gooden, Simmons) sheds $4.021. The Bulls could then do a second deal, such as Alando Tucker for the Bulls trade excpetion in a wink wink deal, and bam, Phoenix is under the luxury tax, and is beginning to collect luxury tax revenues from the other teams. Much more financially attractive than the Blazers package.
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Talk about debatable.
 
Денг Гордон said:
Tyrus Thomas is a more attractive prospect than Bayless at this point.
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:biglaugh: sloth man your hilarious. In what ways is he a better prospect? Bayless still has like 3 1/2 years on a rookie scale contract too btw. And would be able to put up ridiculous numbers if given actual playing time. Tyrus Thomas has had a million chances, and is finally becoming a decent player. He's not a starter on a good team and never will be. Bayless has a much higher chance to become a starting player
 
Денг Гордон said:
Thomas is beginning to become a lot like Andre Kirileinko, only fiercer. After the bad November, his season stats have improved to 9.7 PPG 6.0 RPG 1.8 BPG 1.1 SPG. Those are some pretty solid numbers. He still has to work on the rebounding, and he has a lot of good offensive moves and can dribble, he just needs to learn finish better. He's developing a nice jumpshot. His block/steal numbers are just really good though.

In February, he's been outstanding, which is why there is so much buzz around him all of a sudden.

I'm not sold on him becoming that third guy for Chicago behind Rose and Gordon, thus why I have no problem trading anything outside of Rose on the Bulls roster (and by extension, Gordon, since he can't be traded) for Amare. But Thomas is only 22 years old, and is starting to put it together. He's no longer looking like a big bust.
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Kirilinko? that's hilarious. Yeah, if you take away AK's jumper, range, basketball IQ, post game, then yeah.

If Jerryd put up 10/6 in his third year I'd be highly disappointed.
 
Batum's potential is way higher than Deng's. Batum is already a better and more versatile defender anyway. There are maybe 5 players that can defend any single player in the NBA and Batum is one of them. Deng will never be that player.
 
Stoudemire would fit perfectly in with Detroit. I have a feeling that if Pritchard called up Dumars with an offer of Amare, we'd easily be able to pry away Rodney Stuckey and Tayshaun Prince.
 
Karl Malone's Elbows said:
Batum's potential is way higher than Deng's. Batum is already a better and more versatile defender anyway. There are maybe 5 players that can defend any single player in the NBA and Batum is one of them. Deng will never be that player.
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Deng has higher potential than Batum. But Deng keeps navigating his head into his ass for large stretches of games, playing way below his potential.
 
Crimson the Cat said:
Stoudemire would fit perfectly in with Detroit. I have a feeling that if Pritchard called up Dumars with an offer of Amare, we'd easily be able to pry away Rodney Stuckey and Tayshaun Prince.
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Prince yes, Stuckey no
 
Crimson the Cat said:
Stoudemire would fit perfectly in with Detroit. I have a feeling that if Pritchard called up Dumars with an offer of Amare, we'd easily be able to pry away Rodney Stuckey and Tayshaun Prince.
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I don't think so but I dould be wrong. I have a feeling Detroit is going into complete rebuilding in the off season and Stuckey and Prince are the two guys he will build around but maybe he would build around Armare instead.
 
I suppose we'd be able to sweeten that deal by adding Outlaw. Think about it. The Pistons could start Iverson, Hamilton, Outlaw, Stoudemire, and Wallace. If they could gel that could be a nice mix and a nice change for them.
 
Regardless, Stoudemire would fit in well and play Piston ball. Great way to reinvigorate that team and the town. I like it!
 
It really wouldn't make sense for the Nets to trade Harris for Stoudemire. What's the point? You're giving up a top-5 PG for a top-10 PF. At best it's a lateral move.
 
If we obtain Amare without giving up Bayless, Roy, Pryzbilla, Oden, or Aldridge then I think you have to make that move. Maybe we can play Aldridge at the three and maybe not but the pink elephant in the room is that Oden is proving to be injury prone so far. It might make a lot of sense to have another dominant big man to ease the pressure on Oden and to minimize the impact his injuries have on the team. In the future we could always (gasp), trade Oden and keep the rest. I'm an Oden supporter but he's not as good as Amare or Lamarcus right now. I do think it would be a mistake to trade Bayless right now. He has an amazing upside.
 
Deng and Hinrich would appear to be a massive win for us, but I can't help thinking that I'd prefer a number of other deals instead. Deng's contract isn't too bad, but I would want a more sure-thing. His decline in numbers this year and past injury problems freak me out a bit.
 
Roy and Amare are already bonding.

Hm...
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If they got Amare for that they would not trade him or LMA. At least not until this summer. Why rush it? See how it works out. It would be interesting to say the least.
 
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