Blazers make offer for Vince Carter

[illmatic99]

Vince would be a nice 3rd fiddle here in Portland. It reminds a lot like Detroit bringing in Sheed, a guy that you know what he is all about and can provide you with support for your core players.

Except Sheed was always known as a consummate team player and good defender. Does VC fit that mold?

 

[Tortimer]

thank god. ask nets fans about richard jefferson, they will tell you everything you need to know

Just like the Blazer fans on JJ, Outlaw or some other whipping boy. If there anything like the Blazers fans it is not always correct.

 

[andalusian]

I am wondering if VC is at the stage where he is willing to do anything to get a chance at a ring. If he does - he could do wonders for Portland - because a motivated VC is a very very good player - better than all the other 3 mentioned. Granted, he is older and the window of using him will be much shorter - but if he really is motivated (and he seems to be this year) - he is a stud.

 

[Da_O]

Except Sheed was always known as a consummate team player and good defender. Does VC fit that mold?

YES.

Actually Vince Carter is a pretty unselfish player. He only takes about 16 shots per game and has always been a decent passer. He is not a ballhog. Vince for whatever reason has gotten that trait, but it's completely false. If he was he wouldn't have let Jefferson be the main focal point for the Nets the last two years they played together, and also this year, he's allowed Harris to be an all-star.

 

[VivaRipCity]

i like the addition of Carter, but am hesitant in letting outlaw go. He's a good fit with the blazer's and even coming off the bench as a 4th quarter specialist he just seems like a guy that wouldn't ever complain about playing time. i like him too as a back up power forward to aldridge. so any trade for vince carter that keeps outlaw makes me happy. frye said tonight on the fan that he wants to play and if he has to get traded he's ok with that. so trade him. trade sergio, throw in the rlec, and then the blazers can alwasy throw in draft picks. i'm not saying all of that for vince, but just some combination of that. bottom line keep outlaw.

 

[Universe]

Injury prone, cancer and chemistry issues are all a lie.

He's been healthy for some time now and it's not that hard to see that. He has been great being on a losing team and not complaining. He's helped the rookies a lot as you can tell they look up to him as he is the Nets captain. The reason he is on the block has nothing to do with him needing a change of place because the fans and the managment love him, it's just a cost cutting move for the future.

 

[B-Roy]

i like the addition of Carter, but am hesitant in letting outlaw go. He's a good fit with the blazer's and even coming off the bench as a 4th quarter specialist he just seems like a guy that wouldn't ever complain about playing time. i like him too as a back up power forward to aldridge. so any trade for vince carter that keeps outlaw makes me happy. frye said tonight on the fan that he wants to play and if he has to get traded he's ok with that. so trade him. trade sergio, throw in the rlec, and then the blazers can alwasy throw in draft picks. i'm not saying all of that for vince, but just some combination of that. bottom line keep outlaw.

Won't happen...

You have to give to get...

 

[Sinobas]

The Rockets offer looks a little better actually. If the GM were trying to just shed his contract, it would look better to the fans if he at least got some bigger names in return like Artest and Battier. If the article is true, I'm sure they'd choose the Rockets offer over ours.

 

[BIG Q]

Injury prone, cancer and chemistry issues are all a lie.

He's been healthy for some time now and it's not that hard to see that. He has been great being on a losing team and not complaining. He's helped the rookies a lot as you can tell they look up to him as he is the Nets captain. The reason he is on the block has nothing to do with him needing a change of place because the fans and the managment love him, it's just a cost cutting move for the future.

If he is all that why did he quit on his teammates in Toronto? I tend not to look past things like that. I could care less what he does the rest of his life. He is a quitter and a terrible teammate. Many Blazer fans were not tired of or embarrassed by the actions of the "Jailblazers," but I was. Sheed may have won a title in Detroit but he was one of the losers in the yellow hummer smoking weed cruising down I-5 with Damon. Lets not even discuss technical fouls and leaving his teammates hanging.

But back to Carter, hell no. Keep his quiting ass out of Portland. He will not like it as it is to small for him and his over-inflated ego. It would only be a matter of time until he demanded a trade and quit on the Blazers as well.

Didn't we have Carter rumore before? Didn't he say he would not report to Portland if traded a few of years ago? I know Kidd did, but I could have sworn Carter did as well. Anyways, no to Carter, again.

 

[Entity]

I'm betting this is either a three-team deal sending Vince to one of the other SF dealing teams or a bluff to one of our other potential partners who want RLEC and cheap young talent, but want to package a bad contract. If he's actually coming to us, then we probably couldn't get Butler or Wallace for anything close to this.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I have serious doubts as to whether there is any truth to this rumor. Just yesterday Ford is saying our principle interest is in Wallace, Butler and Jefferson. Why would we be suddenly interested in a guy 4-6 years older? I think that when a GM wants to put out a rumor, that he will often put out Portland's name because people know Portland is always very active and KP has a policy of not commenting on rumors (hence no chance of denial).

Also, I noticed at the end of Chad Ford's chat yesterday, that he said he had to finish because he had an incoming call from a GM. First I think that tells something about how small a man Ford is that he had to try to impress people by mentioning that, and a small man is easily manipulated. Also, why would a GM be voluntarily calling him, if not to plant a rumor?

 

[kobimel]

eh...it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but:

1.) He doesn't help our greatest weakness - defense.
2.) While he's not a head case, he's also not exactly the guy I want providing veteran leadership.
3.) He will want a good amount of shots, and I don't think some of our guys, like Oden, get enough as is.
4.) He is much older than our nucleus.
5.) He's the 18th highest player in the league and is signed through the 2010-2011 season.

1. He's a decent defender. Not great, but decent. I'm sure that with less pressure on him to score, he would be an even better defender.
2. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. He's the undisputed leader of the Nets this season and he has done an amazing job. The young players (especially Devin Harris) respect him A LOT.
3. He has no problem with not getting a lot of shots. He's been happily playing second fiddle to Harris and sometimes Lopez this season and taking over when the team needs him. He'll take as much shots as the team needs him to take.
4. You need veterans to win championships.
5. His contract is expensive but for a great player who has barely missed games in the past 5 years and has learned to play well without relying on his athleticism, it is certainly worth it for a contending team like Portland.

If he is all that why did he quit on his teammates in Toronto? I tend not to look past things like that. I could care less what he does the rest of his life. He is a quitter and a terrible teammate. Many Blazer fans were not tired of or embarrassed by the actions of the "Jailblazers," but I was. Sheed may have won a title in Detroit but he was one of the losers in the yellow hummer smoking weed cruising down I-5 with Damon. Lets not even discuss technical fouls and leaving his teammates hanging.

But back to Carter, hell no. Keep his quiting ass out of Portland. He will not like it as it is to small for him and his over-inflated ego. It would only be a matter of time until he demanded a trade and quit on the Blazers as well.

Didn't we have Carter rumore before? Didn't he say he would not report to Portland if traded a few of years ago? I know Kidd did, but I could have sworn Carter did as well. Anyways, no to Carter, again.

Please don't compare Carter to the "Jailblazers". He did quit on his team in Toronto, but in the past 5 years he has been a model of leadership while the Nets have been pretty crappy most of the time. This season, the Nets were expected to be one of the worst teams in the league, yet mainly because of his dedication and hard work they are relevant. Tonight against Houston he and Brook Lopez were the only players who gave a genuine effort throughout the whole game. You're talking about the 2004 version of Vince Carter, but we're in 2009. Players change.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

The reason this deal would be OK is that it gives us a $3 Mil exemption.

 

[Universe]

If he is all that why did he quit on his teammates in Toronto? I tend not to look past things like that. I could care less what he does the rest of his life. He is a quitter and a terrible teammate. Many Blazer fans were not tired of or embarrassed by the actions of the "Jailblazers," but I was. Sheed may have won a title in Detroit but he was one of the losers in the yellow hummer smoking weed cruising down I-5 with Damon. Lets not even discuss technical fouls and leaving his teammates hanging.

But back to Carter, hell no. Keep his quiting ass out of Portland. He will not like it as it is to small for him and his over-inflated ego. It would only be a matter of time until he demanded a trade and quit on the Blazers as well.

Didn't we have Carter rumore before? Didn't he say he would not report to Portland if traded a few of years ago? I know Kidd did, but I could have sworn Carter did as well. Anyways, no to Carter, again.

You forgot to insert 'was' in your posts or directly skipped over my entire post.

 

[Shooter]

Do we really need a 10-year veteran whose best years are behind him?

I'd much rather get an up-and-coming player who can grow and mature with this team and reach his peak about the time Roy and Aldridge and Oden are at their prime.

 

[BIG Q]

Do we really need a 10-year veteran whose best years are behind him?QUOTE]

And a quitter? I don't want his quitting ass any where near our players. What he did to his teammates and fans in Toronto is unforgivable in my book. He quit on them by addmission, killed his trade value and forced Toronto into trading him in a terrible deal. Vince Quitter, not Carter.

 

[Dumpy]

You people understand NOTHING about Vince Carter. He is a mindboggling athlete and a winner. He plays hurt. He never whines. So he was honest and frustrated as a 25-year old five years ago. Big fucking deal. This is a guy who cares more about assists and getting his teammates involved than scoring points. This is a guy who played the last four months last year on an ankle that required surgery the week after the season ended, despite the fact that it became clear that the Nets were going nowhere. Since becoming a Net, he has missed fewer games than ANY superstar. He is also very, very clutch. You can look it up.

 

[MARIS61]

Carter would be a huge downgrade in every sense of the word if we are truly still attempting to be a longtime contender in this league.

Bringing him on board pretty much puts us back 10 years to the Whitsitt method of bringing in overpaid, over-rated soon-to-be hasbeens, and makes a liar out of KP.

Not gonna happen.

 

[RoyToy]

I'm not sure I buy the Carter rumor either. I highly doubt he'll be a Blazer.

 

[MARIS61]

The thread title is misleading as Ford never quotes any Portland personnel in any way, which is normal as he gets all his "info" from the Nets.

Nowhere does he say Portland offered anything for Carter, or even that they would consider taking him if it was for free.

Bottom line is probably that the Nets offered him for some Blazers, and KP said no thanks. There is nothing in the article to suggest otherwise, and no reason to believe otherwise.

 

[Da_O]

Well with T-mac being out for the year I think we're the only option on the table. Unless the Spurs really want to give up Mason and George Hill.

 

[MARIS61]

Well with T-mac being out for the year I think we're the only option on the table. Unless the Spurs really want to give up Mason and George Hill.

The Nets are stuck with him.

Sucks to be the Nets.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

^ So ignorant. VC is having a great season. He is not a "huge downgrade." In fact, he's in upgrade in every facet of the game compared to the SF's we have. He's a strong 2nd or 3rd option instantly. Downgrade he is not. Hater.

 

[Da_O]

Carter would be a huge downgrade in every sense of the word if we are truly still attempting to be a longtime contender in this league.

Bringing him on board pretty much puts us back 10 years to the Whitsitt method of bringing in overpaid, over-rated soon-to-be hasbeens, and makes a liar out of KP.

Not gonna happen.

Overreact much.

 

[B-Roy]

Trade speculation: most media members admit to not having a freaking clue what is going to happen. The consensus remains that KP will move RLEC; more and more speculation thinks it will be in a big move. The consensus take on the Chandler deal was that it sets a baseline of expectations for what expiring contracts are worth in this economy, meaning RLEC should bring a primo return. Multiple media members said they would be disappointed if RLEC was not dealt.

-BE

 

[Karl Malone's Elbows]

I'm not sure I buy the Carter rumor either. I highly doubt he'll be a Blazer.

Most of these so-called trade discssions are actually negotiaion tactics. Even if you only want one player you have to make the other team think you have other options.

 

[barfo]

Most of these so-called trade discssions are actually negotiaion tactics. Even if you only want one player you have to make the other team think you have other options.

And quite possibly you can make a competitor overpay for the asset you don't want (Houston for Carter in this case prior to the Tmac news) if they think you are bidding against them.

barfo

 

[Minstrel]

And quite possibly you can make a competitor overpay for the asset you don't want (Houston for Carter in this case prior to the Tmac news) if they think you are bidding against them.

Yup. When there's incentive to be rumoured to have interest in as many players as possible and no disincentives, that's going to lead to a lot of disinformation.

 

[shamelessblazer]

I love the thought of saavy vets helping us out for the short term, Vince's stats are less impressive and he doesn't have as many highlights as before, but he's always been a star who plays more the 'right' way (UNC perhaps) and is a good passer and high BBIQ guy (cutting backdoor etc).

I say grab two of em and balance out the team's youthfulness w/o mortgaging the future...

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bweuot

POR Out: Raef, Blake, Frye, Outlaw
POR In: Carter, Andre Miller

PHI Out: Andre Miller, Reggie Evans
PHI In: Blake, Frye, Swift

They save some money on Evans and add some shooting. Maybe a bit of a reach here, but we could add a sweetner or pick or something and Dre is expiring.

NJ Out: Carter, Swift
NJ In: Outlaw, Raef, Evans

They save quite a bit long-term, add a young piece (that they supposedly adore) to run with Harris, and that's about it. Mainly a salary move. But always good to wipe liabilities off the books when arena financing is on the line.

We become the most fun and entertaining team in basketball for sure! While gaining valuable experience and two guys who "play the right way".

Miller/Sergio
Roy/Rudy
Carter/Batum
Aldridge/Shav?
Oden/Pryzbilla

 

[WWBRoyD]

The thread title is misleading as Ford never quotes any Portland personnel in any way, which is normal as he gets all his "info" from the Nets.

Nowhere does he say Portland offered anything for Carter, or even that they would consider taking him if it was for free.

Bottom line is probably that the Nets offered him for some Blazers, and KP said no thanks. There is nothing in the article to suggest otherwise, and no reason to believe otherwise.

Well... here's the latest update on Carter rumors from Chad Ford....

Updated: February 18, 2009, 2:39 AM ET
Sources: Nets, Rockets, Blazers talk


Will New Jersey Nets swingman Vince Carter have a new home by Thursday's NBA trade deadline? Sources say the Nets have talked to multiple teams over the course of the past week about a possible Carter trade.

On Monday, ESPN.com learned that the Nets were discussing a Carter deal with the Houston Rockets. On Tuesday afternoon, the Portland Trail Blazers were the latest team to enter the Carter fray.

Currently the Blazers and Rockets are both haggling over what the Nets will get in return for Carter.

Sources say the Blazers and Nets have discussed a deal that would send Carter to Portland for Raef LaFrentz and his expiring contract along with Travis Outlaw and Sergio Rodriguez.

On Monday, sources said the Rockets had been pushing a trade that sends Tracy McGrady to the Nets for Carter and Trenton Hassell. However, on Tuesday, Rockets owner Leslie Alexander said that McGrady wouldn't be dealt before the deadline.

"I don't think we're going to part ways with Tracy," Alexander said. "We acquired a great superstar and everybody wants us to trade the great superstar. You don't get superstars that often."

Later Tuesday, ESPN.com's Stephen A. Smith reported that McGrady told him that he would need microfracture surgery on his left knee and will not play again this season. The seven-time All-Star had an MRI last Wednesday because the knee has not responded well to rehabilitation since he had arthroscopic surgery on it in May.

However, McGrady's status doesn't rule out a Carter trade to the Rockets. The Nets have countered with a proposal that would send Carter and Josh Boone to the Rockets for a combination of Ron Artest, Shane Battier, Luther Head and Carl Landry.

The Nets' proposal is related to both talent and finances. The contracts of Artest and Head expire this summer, clearing around $8 million off the team's cap in the summer of 2009. Sources say the team is looking for immediate cap relief in any deal for Carter. However, management doesn't want to completely gut the team and believes that Battier and Landry could play important roles in the future.

At this point sources say that the ball is in the Rockets' court. As of Tuesday afternoon, the Rockets were still mulling over the Nets' proposal. Would they be willing to take on the remaining two years and $37 million left on Carter's contract while still paying an injured McGrady? They would also lose two valuable pieces in Battier and Landry. Is Carter good enough to make up for their losses?

Meanwhile the Blazers have moved into the fray with perhaps a more enticing offer. LaFrentz's $12.7 million comes off the books this summer and Outlaw is an upgrade to the Nets situation at the three. As for the Blazers, adding Carter gives them a veteran small forward who has more playoff experience than most of the players on Portland's roster.

The Blazers also have been shopping Channing Frye, who also could be included in a Blazers-Nets trade if New Jersey added on one or two spare parts from the trio of Stromile Swift (expiring $6.2 million contract), Sean Williams (1.52M this season, 1.62M next season) and Hassell ($4.35 million player option for next season).

The Rockets and Blazers aren't the only team the Nets have spoken with concerning Carter. The Dallas Mavericks, San Antonio Spurs and Cleveland Cavaliers have all shown interest, though it sounds as if the Rockets deal has the highest probability of happening. The Rockets had been shopping McGrady hard over the past month to a number of teams but had struggled to find takers given his injury history and contract."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3913836

-This seems too detailed a report to be complete rubbish.
-That said, KP says "If you hear about the trade, that trade is already dead."