Blazers making offer to Kanter

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
Mediocre Man said:
MM's brilliant idea 137.0

Would OKC let Kanter go for Kaman? He is a quality vet big, saves them $$$$, and fits win now model for them, lets them keep their depth
Click to expand...
I'm about 75 posts behind, so apologies if this was answered, but that went out the window once he signed the offer sheet. You specifically can't set up a S&T after an offer sheet to an RFA is signed, or make a trade around it:

Coon CBA 44 said:
There can be no compensation given to a team in return for their submitting or not submitting an offer sheet, or for matching or not matching an offer to a restricted free agent. For example, Houston could not sign Golden State's restricted free agent to an offer sheet, then send Golden State a draft pick in exchange for their not matching the offer.
Click to expand...
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'm about 75 posts behind, so apologies if this was answered, but that went out the window once he signed the offer sheet. You specifically can't set up a S&T after an offer sheet to an RFA is signed, or make a trade around it:
Click to expand...

It seems to me the offer can be rescinded, if agreed by all 3 parties, then a S&T effected.
 
Uncle Ty said:
Then we should. This rosters ain't going to win shit. And that's a good thing, I just hope that they don't win just enough to get us out of a top 5 pick.
Click to expand...
Unless we get a lucky draw we're not getting a top 5 pick.
 
I agree that the offer can be rescinded, but I seem to recall with the Batum thing that even Stern was saying that they have until the offer sheet is at the league office to make a S&T. Once signed, it could only be matched or refused. But if your copy of the CBA (how did you get that? I need one!) shows that rescinding it allows you go get back to "square 1", then fine. But it seems that it would garner a LOT of league scrunity, because of the clauses about not offering compensation for not matching, whether it helps OKC or not.
 
Uncle Ty said:
You're assured a top 4 pick if you have the worst record.
Click to expand...
I can't see us losing more games than the Sixers, Mavs, Lakers, Nuggets and possibly Knicks. We will be one of the worst perhaps but not the worst.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I agree that the offer can be rescinded, but I seem to recall with the Batum thing that even Stern was saying that they have until the offer sheet is at the league office to make a S&T. Once signed, it could only be matched or refused. But if your copy of the CBA (how did you get that? I need one!) shows that rescinding it allows you go get back to "square 1", then fine. But it seems that it would garner a LOT of league scrunity, because of the clauses about not offering compensation for not matching, whether it helps OKC or not.
Click to expand...

I googled for NBA CBA and found the actual legal document. I've read it before.

Anyhow, there's a difference between rescinding and making a trade versus offering compensation. The former requires consent of all 3 parties, the latter only the teams.

I'm not a lawyer, I just play one on tv.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
has an offer sheet ever been rescinded?
Click to expand...

Qualifying offers, yes. The Bulls offered ben gordon $10m/season and then rescinded the offer while he was a RFA, but he was their FA.

It may have happened, but not that I could find.
 
the nuggets can swap picks with the knicks next year, gonna be interesting to see how that plays out. NY isnt looking to tank by signing afflalo and rolo though.
 
Uncle Ty said:
Not quite the worst, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if we end up being a bottom 5 worst team (if we don't get Kanter). Maybe I'm just being too optimistic.
Click to expand...
This looks like a 25 win team to me. That said I think they're going to play hard, be plenty athletic and be sort of exciting in "upside" sense, but there's a dearth of shooting, and our defense is going to be awful (mostly because they are young and inexperienced and building a team defense takes familiarity gained only by playing together for awhile).
 
Just a reminder here...

OKC has until Sunday to match. We'll know soon.
 
Uncle Ty said:
Not quite the worst, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if we end up being a bottom 5 worst team (if we don't get Kanter). Maybe I'm just being too optimistic.
Click to expand...
Yep. I could see somewhere between 4-7th worst but not bottom of the barrel.
 
This is a win/win in my opinion. If they match, they most likely had to dump a bunch of talent to stay under the luxury tax threshold.

If they don't match, we essentially take their one asset that they got out of the Reggie Jackson trade, so that's one more trade that they completely whiffed on.
 
Uncle Ty said:
I wish I can share your optimism, especially the 25 wins part.

This team is going to suck, and not having enough young talent for me to feel excited for the future. 35 wins and no exciting prospect to look forward to. Welcome to purgatory.
Click to expand...
You misunderstand, 25 sort of feels like the high side if everything breaks just right. 35 wins is wildly high and would be startling to say the least, but if a team this young and awful on paper somehow managed to win that many then it means somebody stepped up considerably and maybe we actually do have a team to be excited about at that point?

Honestly though I think a top 7 pick is super realistic and that's plenty high enough to find a good player (depending on the draft and the quality of your talent evaluators of course . . . and Neil seems like a good one).
 
Uncle Ty said:
I know. I'm just full of positivity today.
Click to expand...

I don't blame you.

My fear is that OKC won't match on Kanter, and that he plays just well enough to keep us from a good pick. Then we are left with a lousy pick, not that much cap space, and no clear path forward.
 
oldmangrouch said:
I don't blame you.

My fear is that OKC won't match on Kanter, and that he plays just well enough to keep us from a good pick. Then we are left with a lousy pick, not that much cap space, and no clear path forward.
Click to expand...
Hopefully we don't get to keep our pick
 
  • Like
Reactions: RR7
oldmangrouch said:
I don't blame you.

My fear is that OKC won't match on Kanter, and that he plays just well enough to keep us from a good pick. Then we are left with a lousy pick, not that much cap space, and no clear path forward.
Click to expand...

So it's a bad thing if one of our players play well? Ok dude. The draft is a crapshoot. Unless were getting Ben Simmons there are no guarantees and I sure as he'll ain't prioritizing draft slot over the development of what we already got.
 
oldmangrouch said:
I don't blame you.

My fear is that OKC won't match on Kanter, and that he plays just well enough to keep us from a good pick. Then we are left with a lousy pick, not that much cap space, and no clear path forward.
Click to expand...

We will have some solid cap space next summer. The cap is going to jump $20-30 mil. The problem is that everyone else will have cap space as well.
 
Scalma said:
So it's a bad thing if one of our players play well? Ok dude. The draft is a crapshoot. Unless were getting Ben Simmons there are no guarantees and I sure as he'll ain't prioritizing draft slot over the development of what we already got.
Click to expand...
We ain't got enough.
 
I'm intrigued by Olshey's interest in picking up Vonleh type 2nd year talent more than next season's draft. Makes sense to let another team use up a roster spot on a rookie than having a draft pick at the end of the bench unless there's a starter somewhere in the top 10 for a competitive team. Shorten the development time on most young players.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This is a win/win in my opinion. If they match, they most likely had to dump a bunch of talent to stay under the luxury tax threshold.
Click to expand...

Q. IF the Thunder match and they are over the luxury tax threshold, when is the amount of luxury tax figured? I am not sure of the time line of when they would need to dump players to get under the luxury tax threshold.

Since Kanter is a RFA, the Thunder can re-sign him without dumping players now.

I do not believe the tax is figured at the start of the season, it probably is figured near the end of the season. If that is the case, I do not believe the Thunder need to dump players until the trade deadline. A lot can happen between now and then. Or am I missing something?
 
You are correct @oldfisherman they don't have to do it until right before the end of the season. However, teams are spending up all their cap space (I think we, PHI and DEN are the only teams with more then 6 MIL available right now) quickly and OKC doesn't want contracts back in a trade. They want to dump 3 players to a team with cap space plus give them a 2nd rounder just for taking on those guys. So if they wait to the deadline then they might not be able to do it how they want.
 
Scalma said:
Kanter (in this theory)
Leonard
Vonleh
Aminu
Mccollum
Lillard

I count 6 lottery picks.

And if you want to argue that none of them are stars outside of dame, then you're just helping my argument out.
Click to expand...

You forgot Chris Kaman :devilwink:

He was taken 6th overall by the Clips.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top