Blazers may ask Roy to retire? (Merged)

[Mediocre Man]

Re: dont care

It is a financial decision. It's not dumb at all. Brandon Roy is a shell of his former self and has 1 good game out of every 4-5. If the Blazers can rid themselves of his contract then they have a chance, if the trade Miller and Camby at the draft, to add a huge piece in rebuilding. Without doing that, they are a first round and out team for the forseeable future

 

[HailBlazers]

Re: Blazers may ask Roy to retire?

we got PAUL ALLEN ^^^^ Not gonna happen sorry

B-Roy is here to stay, find his $80 Million a$$ a new role

 

[RR7]

Re: dont care

It is a financial decision. It's not dumb at all. Brandon Roy is a shell of his former self and has 1 good game out of every 4-5. If the Blazers can rid themselves of his contract then they have a chance, if the trade Miller and Camby at the draft, to add a huge piece in rebuilding. Without doing that, they are a first round and out team for the forseeable future

Financial decision? If they"ask" Roy to retire, you think he just leaves 60 million dollars on the table? Hell no. And there's no chance he'd get medically retired, since it is clear he can still play. At a high level? Maybe not. But if Miles limped onto a team for 10 games, sure as shit Roy can play. And then we'd be stuck paying him anyways, without him on the roster.
I'd like to know how it would work out for us at all financially that actually makes sense.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

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That's why we shouldn't ask him to retire. We should just use any amnesty clause there may be and let him go.

Agreed. Everyone saying Roy should stay is living off emotion. Dude is not the same player he once was. His defense used to suck, now its atrocious. If we get an amnesty clause to use, it's like winning the lottery. Yeah, he had an awesome performance in the playoffs. But Is his contract worth that? Not likely since his knees should only deteriorate.

From the business and financial flexibility standpoint, it's a no-brainer.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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Financial decision? If they"ask" Roy to retire, you think he just leaves 60 million dollars on the table? Hell no. And there's no chance he'd get medically retired, since it is clear he can still play. At a high level? Maybe not. But if Miles limped onto a team for 10 games, sure as shit Roy can play. And then we'd be stuck paying him anyways, without him on the roster.
I'd like to know how it would work out for us at all financially that actually makes sense.

No he wouldn't (and shouldn't) if I were Roy I'd force the team to cut me with an amnesty clause and take my full pay day.

I've been a fairly strong proponent of the team going this route because it's going to have to happen eventually if a hard cap gets phased in 2 years after the new CBA starts because there's no way the team can afford to carry a deadweight 17 to 19 million a year salary in a hard-cap environment if they have any hopes of fielding a competive team down the line.

The only reasonable argument I've heard about keeping him is that if contracts are cut across the board in the new CBA and partial guarantees are built into the final years of all contracts (even contracts inked prior to the new agreement) then Roy could end up being a cheaper to the team if he stays for a couple of years and then gets waived in the fourth year of his deal when he'd only be partially guaranteed.

 

[magnifier661]

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Medical retirement helping the Blazers will not work. At least from what I remember. You have to be insured by the NBA in order to qualify for that provision. And since the NBA insurance on Roy's contract excluded his knees; then it will not qualify for medical retirement. I've heard rumors that the Blazers had an outside insurance policy; so possibly the retirement would cover his salary; but it will not cover the salary coming off the cap.

 

[magnifier661]

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The only way it benefits the Blazers is if the Amnesty Clause takes effect, and it's applied to the cap; not the luxury tax. We have no chance for medical retirement because his knees were excluded from the mandated NBA insurance on each player signed. That means the NBA will not give amnesty for a player injured from their exclusion.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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The only way it benefits the Blazers is if the Amnesty Clause takes effect, and it's applied to the cap; not the luxury tax. We have no chance for medical retirement because his knees were excluded from the mandated NBA insurance on each player signed. That means the NBA will not give amnesty for a player injured from their exclusion.

You might be right about the difference between a cap amnesty or a tax only amnesty being the difference, but you completely misunderstand the medical retirement issue. The only thing the insurance provides is an 80% benefit on Roy's contract amount to the Blazers if Roy can't complete his contract or can't otherwise play for an extended period of time (I forget the exact number of games). Roy can medically retire, but the Blazers will be on the hook to pay the full amount of his contract without the benefit of the insurance covering the majority of the amount because he's on the exemption list.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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i believe it is after the 41st missed game of a season

 

[Draco]

Re: Blazers may ask Roy to retire?

Medical retirement helping the Blazers will not work. At least from what I remember. You have to be insured by the NBA in order to qualify for that provision. And since the NBA insurance on Roy's contract excluded his knees; then it will not qualify for medical retirement. I've heard rumors that the Blazers had an outside insurance policy; so possibly the retirement would cover his salary; but it will not cover the salary coming off the cap.

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[magnifier661]

Re: dont care

You might be right about the difference between a cap amnesty or a tax only amnesty being the difference, but you completely misunderstand the medical retirement issue. The only thing the insurance provides is an 80% benefit on Roy's contract amount to the Blazers if Roy can't complete his contract or can't otherwise play for an extended period of time (I forget the exact number of games). Roy can medically retire, but the Blazers will be on the hook to pay the full amount of his contract without the benefit of the insurance covering the majority of the amount because he's on the exemption list.

Okay so even though the NBA's mandated insurance policy; which excluded his knees because of his condition prior to the signing of the contract, Roy's contract can be removed off cap, as long as the Blazers still pay the 100% of the salary? I thought I read it different.

 

[Nikolokolus]

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Okay so even though the NBA's mandated insurance policy; which excluded his knees because of his condition prior to the signing of the contract, Roy's contract can be removed off cap, as long as the Blazers still pay the 100% of the salary? I thought I read it different.

Correct. The insurer's exemption list is all of high risk players that the insurer won't cover. If a player on that list can't finish their contract the team pays the full tab, instead of getting an 80% benefit.

 

[PapaG]

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Correct. The insurer's exemption list is all of high risk players that the insurer won't cover. If a player on that list can't finish their contract the team pays the full tab, instead of getting an 80% benefit.

Any guesses on whether or not Oden's next contract falls under this clause?

 

[Ghost Pepper]

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Every team in the league knows his knees are shot! He can sit on our bench or someone elses. We know that he's a cancer in the locker room, his cry baby tactics in the playoffs are a dress rehearsal for next year, beleive that! I think if he's not starting he needs to be let go.

 

[PapaG]

Re: Blazers may ask Roy to retire?

Again with this bullshit, he outperformed Matthews for ONE GAME, and it was a great one, but Matthews played better for the rest of the series, and the stats prove that

Wrong.

Roy had better advanced stats across the board, and had a PER of 16.4 compared to Matthews 12.8.

Roy had a better Ortg (118 to 114), a better Drtg (117 to 118), better assist % (23 to 5), shot better from the field (50% to 49%), more rebounds/game (2.2 to 1.2), more WS/48 (.1 to .06), a better turnover % (7 to 10), all while playing 9 mpg less than Matthews.



Matthews had one decent game. The rest of the time, he was terrible. Simply terrible, and a big reason the team lost.

 

[blazedanugz]

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maybe you should all stop being so negative.....he beat the soon to be 2011 NBA champs by himself for a game. something kobe and durant failed to do. some people just have a nac for putting the ball in the hoop and roy has that. i think he deserves atleast one year after the injury to prove himself before all you asshole fans start throwing him off the bus....yes i just called you assholes

 

[Wheels]

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I love Roy and all he has done. Trust me I really do. If there is an amnesty clause, no question you use it on him 3 seconds after the CBA is signed. Would it be tampering to have him medically retire, then have him as a Max Contract "Community Ambassador"?

 

[Rhal]

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The only way we are going to lose Roy is there is an amnesty clause. I don't know how the talk of management asking him to retire came about but thats just plan flat retarded on many levels. Upper management can't be so stupid that they would actually consider this because there is no way a player would leave so much money on the table. Trying for a backhanded deal were they get him to retire and keep paying him would just add to how horrible management looks at the moment and the players union would be ALL over us about it.
As it is we can either wait for the amnesty clause or tell his knees give out to the point were he has to medically retire which will probably be in 4 years.

 

[Minstrel]

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maybe you should all stop being so negative.....he beat the soon to be 2011 NBA champs by himself for a game. something kobe and durant failed to do. some people just have a nac for putting the ball in the hoop and roy has that. i think he deserves atleast one year after the injury to prove himself before all you asshole fans start throwing him off the bus....yes i just called you assholes

Temper tantrums are fun! (Seriously, I enjoy reading them.)

Roy should do what's best for him and the team should do what's best for them. I tend to agree that asking Roy to retire is beyond silly, because there's no reason why he would or should walk away from all the cash he negotiated (while looking out for his best interests). If an amnesty comes along to cut him from their cap structure, the Blazers should absolutely do so. In a hard cap environment, that cap savings will be crucial.

 

[Rhal]

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Hmm guess I don't understand how Medically retirement works. If he gets paid full and it goes off of our books that makes pretty much everything I said irrelevant.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

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Is an asshole better than a moron? Cause if you can't figure out how to grow back his meniscus we are all screwed for this type of money and production he doesn't have nightly anymore! He's going to be effective 1-5 games as we've seen. He will not be an allstar again and he's being paid allstar money. Let's add to the fact that when Roy had that amazing game against the Mavs in the playoffs he took all the shots while his teamates watched, when he's off the team loses playing this way. Is that hard to understand? Our offense is stagnet when he's the focal point and players like LA and Crash wont be utilized properly! Let's not even go into the fact he can't move fast enough now nor has Roy ever shown the ability to play a lick of defense. You think this bone on bone reality is going to get magically better with a full season of pounding and cutting to the hoop? Why are people still thinking that he just needs rest? He has no shock absorbers for his knees....There is no upside for this condition. If there was I'm sure as much of a Washington homer as Paul Allen is he'd never even think of this option for his golden boy Roy!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

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If Roy gets Amnesty, mark my words he'll sign with the L*kers and win a ring in a reserve/grant hill type role. Can you live with yourselves knowing that?

 

[Ghost Pepper]

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If LA doesn't land Howard, LA has no shot of beating the Heat! Roy will not matter a bit!

 

[PapaG]

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I'm glad that Yardape showed up to calm us all down with his well-thought and unemotional opinions.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: dont care

If Roy gets Amnesty, mark my words he'll sign with the L*kers and win a ring in a reserve/grant hill type role. Can you live with yourselves knowing that?

I'd only feel discouraged if Roy became a high-level player again after the Blazers cut him. I don't anticipate that. If he wins a title with another team, Lakers included, as essentially the player he is now--an inconsistent reserve--it wouldn't bother me a bit. The Blazers won't have lost out on anything significant.

 

[Sinobas]

Re: Blazers may ask Roy to retire?

If Roy has any integrity, he WILL retire. There is no way he can justify the salary he is getting, when he is making such a little contribution to the team. Portland has paid him very well, and he can live comfortably for the rest of his life. Go in peace, Brandon.

Not many pro athletes will give up salary for that reason. And you could make a case that he deserves another year's pay as compensation for how well he played on his rookie contract.

If he would take a medical retirement, and clear the space, that would probably be best for the Blazers. Paul Allen is going to give away most of his fortune, and it would be nice to see more of it go to charity than to all the bozo's the Blazers have signed over the years, Kemp, Stoudamire, Roy, Anderson, Ratliff.......

 

[PapaG]

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If Roy has any integrity, he WILL retire. There is no way he can justify the salary he is getting, when he is making such a little contribution to the team. Portland has paid him very well, and he can live comfortably for the rest of his life. Go in peace, Brandon.

So, he lacks integrity if he tries to get better and get on the court to help the team, which he did in the playoffs?

What a foolish statement.

 

[BlazerBeav5]

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Why would Roy consider retiring? He isn't going to go from believing he should be a starter to believing his career is over.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

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this is just canzano fire stoking, no way they ask, no way he does...now a medical could happen if roy grinds his knee off maybe, but look how that worked for us last time

 

[Further]

I keep hearing people say Roy giving up salary. I think they are trying to convince medical retirement. Roy will get every penny of his contract. In fact, it may work out better for him financially to retire now before the new CBA is in place because he could retire now and get 100%, but if CBA changes include non, or partially guaranteed contracts, Roy could be cut with the amnesty and lose a gigantic sum of money. This all depends on the wording in the new CBA.

The Blazers would not save money by having him retire, they would simply be in a position where they could cut Dre, Camby may retire/trade him, and be in a position to be under the cap and have room to play.