Blazers Offer Roy Hibbert Max Contract

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Lopez is not going anywhere. They still want Howard and they need him for bait. Even if those odds are slim. Regardless NJ is grasping at anything right now that will help them win some games. Why would they not resign Lopez? It's not like they have a cheap owner.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Lopez is not going anywhere. They still want Howard and they need him for bait. Even if those odds are slim. Regardless NJ is grasping at anything right now that will help them win some games. Why would they not resign Lopez? It's not like they have a cheap owner.
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Everything I've read says nobody's bothered to make an offer because the owner is sure to match, even a max. Given the Nets' workings the last two days, that claim has a lot of support.
 
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
He will be meeting with more teams, but I'm told @ChrisKaman and size-seeking Pacers hit it off during an all-day meeting Monday in Indy

Pacers known to be seeking C to replace Roy Hibbert if they elect not to match Blazer offer sheet. Kaman known to want to join playoff team
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yuyuza1 said:
Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
He will be meeting with more teams, but I'm told @ChrisKaman and size-seeking Pacers hit it off during an all-day meeting Monday in Indy
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Fantastic news!
 
They hit it off. But they're letting him go.

It's like a one-night stand. Then they'll return to their long term relationship, after flirting with the older, easier option.
 
If they meet with Kaman, it must mean they prefer to sign him at lower rate rather than sign Hibbert at the max. Because if they had already resolved to match, why bother with Kaman? I wonder what the going rate is for a guy like Kaman...10 mil?

On the Nets and Lopez, if they resign him, they are definitely headed towards the luxery tax.
 
Sinobas said:
If they meet with Kaman, it must mean they prefer to sign him at lower rate rather than sign Hibbert at the max. Because if they had already resolved to match, why bother with Kaman? I wonder what the going rate is for a guy like Kaman...10 mil?

On the Nets and Lopez, if they resign him, they are definitely headed towards the luxery tax.
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Well, the Pacers are just doing due diligence at this point. If they were surely letting Roy walk, Kaman wouldn't have left town without an agreement tonight.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Well, the Pacers are just doing due diligence at this point. If they were surely letting Roy walk, Kaman wouldn't have left town without an agreement tonight.
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Not necessarily, Kaman could be looking at other offers too, or holding out for more than what the Pacers offered. If the Pacers had already resolved to match, there would be no dilgence with Kamen.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Bucher said on the Doug Gotlieb show that it makes more sense for Indy to let Hibbert walk and sign Kaman, who in Buchers eyes is a better center when healthy. He will also cost a lot less according to Bucher
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Yeah, Greg Oden is a better center when healthy as well.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Not exactly sure what this has to do with anything?
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that kaman is never healthy?
Also, I disagree that Kaman is better. nowhere near the effectiveness on defense, and an inefficient blackhole on offense.
 
RR7 said:
that kaman is never healthy?
Also, I disagree that Kaman is better. nowhere near the effectiveness on defense, and an inefficient blackhole on offense.
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Well don't go offering that opinion to Indiana!
 
RR7 said:
that kaman is never healthy?
Also, I disagree that Kaman is better. nowhere near the effectiveness on defense, and an inefficient blackhole on offense.
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Ya, I thought that was a reach as well. He has only had about 4 healthy seasons, with maybe another one for arguments sake. However, looking at his numbers compared to Hibbert show he is pretty similar, maybe slightly better
 
Hibbert to me could be like Duckworth. Meaning his stats don't tell the whole story. I think his skills and size helps his teammates. Duck with his size and his ability to screen his man from the basket, helped the Blazers of the early 90's lead the league in most rebound categories.

Now I know this team does not have a Buck, Clyde, or Jerome on the team, but none-the-less when you have a center the size of Hibbert with skills, then I think it helps everyone else.
Hibbert in my mind would be a good prize. Regardless of his stats.
 
After listening to some Indy sports radio this AM.....

It really does sound like people expect them to match. And if the Pacers don't match, there will be rioting. A lot of their fans are asking how the Pacers can consider not matching. He's arguably their best overall player, an anchor on both ends of the floor, 25, improving, hard-working, a huge pillar in the community, etc. Plus, upon their hires, the Prez and GM immediately stated that the Pacers plan to keep everyone together, keep the continuity, etc.

I tend to agree. The best chance we have, IMO, is for Hibbert to say to the Pacers that he really wants to come to Portland, and push for the Pacers to work out some sort of sign-and-trade. Whether we give up some mix of cash, picks, and bench players.
 
Ya, I have no doubt they will either match or S&T him for a premium
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
After listening to some Indy sports radio this AM.....

It really does sound like people expect them to match. And if the Pacers don't match, there will be rioting. A lot of their fans are asking how the Pacers can consider not matching. He's arguably their best overall player, an anchor on both ends of the floor, 25, improving, hard-working, a huge pillar in the community, etc. Plus, upon their hires, the Prez and GM immediately stated that the Pacers plan to keep everyone together, keep the continuity, etc.

I tend to agree. The best chance we have, IMO, is for Hibbert to say to the Pacers that he really wants to come to Portland, and push for the Pacers to work out some sort of sign-and-trade. Whether we give up some mix of cash, picks, and bench players.
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Leonard would be a logical choice.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Leonard would be a logical choice.
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Yes, unfortunately. Which also makes me believe this is why we haven't had the rookies come to town for an introduction yet. Several teams have already introduced their players. And you don't bring Lillard in for an intro without at least bringing in Leonard. So the team is waiting to see how things play out.

But KP knows PA. There is no way that KP doesn't come back and say, "Sure, you can have Hibbert. But give us this ransom, or we match. That easy."

We have Freeland, Babbitt, Smith, Wes, Claver, E-Will, Barton, Leonard...... Pacers could ask for a decent ransom between a few players and cash/picks.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I don't thin Portland has any intention on trading Leonard. My thought would be cash, a future protected 1st and maybe one of the Euros
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Yeah maybe ... I guess it all comes down to how badly Hibbert wants to leave and how much leverage the Blazers have.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Yes, unfortunately. Which also makes me believe this is why we haven't had the rookies come to town for an introduction yet. Several teams have already introduced their players. And you don't bring Lillard in for an intro without at least bringing in Leonard. So the team is waiting to see how things play out.

But KP knows PA. There is no way that KP doesn't come back and say, "Sure, you can have Hibbert. But give us this ransom, or we match. That easy."

We have Freeland, Babbitt, Smith, Wes, Claver, E-Will, Barton, Leonard...... Pacers could ask for a decent ransom between a few players and cash/picks.
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Something tells me that the Pacers aren't exactly free spenders ... I don't know if KP is really going to have that kind of financial backing in a game of contract chicken with Paul Allen.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I don't thin Portland has any intention on trading Leonard. My thought would be cash, a future protected 1st and maybe one of the Euros
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I would be really disappointed if we did. But I can see it happening.

Pacers will at least want E-Will, you'd have to think (which I'd be okay with, despite the fact of his potential - I think he's going to be an above-average guard once he gets healthy). But you have to give to get.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Something tells me that the Pacers aren't exactly free spenders ... I don't know if KP is really going to have that kind of financial backing in a game of contract chicken with Paul Allen.
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Yes, but the trade doesn't have to be even because of our cap space.

They could simply say, "Give us a 1st-rounder, E-Will or Leonard, and cash."

That's not exactly breaking the bank for the Pacers. Plus, it gives them cash, and some additional assets.
 
Maybe we do a 3-way S&T deal. Hibbert S&T to us, Batum S&T to Minny, and Derrick Williams to Indy.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Maybe we do a 3-way S&T deal. Hibbert S&T to us, Batum S&T to Minny, and Derrick Williams to Indy.
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Frankly, I'd rather just do a sign and trade for Derrick Williams and move other liquid assets for Hibbert.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Frankly, I'd rather just do a sign and trade for Derrick Williams and move other liquid assets for Hibbert.
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Totally agree. Either way (in the 3-way vs. 2 separate moves), we're losing Batum. But in one end up with Hibbert and Williams, lose Batum and some bench players.

In the 3-way, we get Hibbert and lose Batum. The difference of acquiring Williams vs. keeping bench players = I'd rather have Williams and lose bench players, than not get Williams and keep the bench players.
 
Does Indy's signing of George Hill affect Indy's cap space to re-sign Hibbert? He's their RFA so it doesn't right?
 
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