Blazers Offer Roy Hibbert Max Contract

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KingSpeed said:
Me too, man. If they match, I'll be very sad. If they don't, I will flip out and countdown the days to opening night.
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That's frankly too strong of a reaction either way. If they match it would kind of suck to "lose" but it might not be the worst thing in the world from a cap-management standpoint and if they don't match, Hibbert isn't going to be some panacea for all that ails this team.
 
cap management standpoint for what, exactly? Who do you save that for? Is it more than he is worth by a million or three? Probably. Is that about the only way to get RFA to leave? yeah. I don't see the point of "cap management" giving us flexibility for something we will never want to use, to continue to be flexible. It's 4 years, not the old 7 year killers. I don't think a big 4 year deal hurts us. Especially with other smaller deals on the roster.
 
I still have some false hope that we have a small chance in getting Hibbert. With Eric Gordon verbally agreeing to the max offer sheet of 4years/58mil with Phoenix, there were lots of reports that NO would match the offer. We haven't heard of those type of reports from Indiana about matching Hibbert. I still thinking Indiana hasn't decided what they're going to do.
 
RR7 said:
cap management standpoint for what, exactly? Who do you save that for? Is it more than he is worth by a million or three? Probably. Is that about the only way to get RFA to leave? yeah. I don't see the point of "cap management" giving us flexibility for something we will never want to use, to continue to be flexible. It's 4 years, not the old 7 year killers. I don't think a big 4 year deal hurts us. Especially with other smaller deals on the roster.
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I'm not talking about saving cap room for a rainy day, I'm talking about teams that overspend and then sometimes find themselves in a corner a few years down the line overextended on players that don't actually push them to title contention. In Hibbert's case I actually think the risk is a little bit less than it would be say on Eric Gordon with his problem staying healthy. I'm just saying that if they do max out Hibbert and then also nearly max out Batum, that's a lot of dough tied up in a couple of guys that I'm not sure I'd call franchise level -- and the luxury tax is about to get severely punitive.
 
If we sign Hibbert, I really do think we are 1 piece away from being contenders.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
If we sign Hibbert, I really do think we are 1 piece away from being contenders.
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Everybody's one piece away - LeBron James.

But, despite myself, I'm getting geeked about Hibbert. When will I learn that that's the sure path to bitter disappointment?
 
i think some people might be thinking of rookie scale extensions, not restricted free agency

larry coon faq #58 said:
Rookie scale contracts may be extended for up to four seasons beyond the last option season in the contract, bringing the total contract length to five seasons. Teams are also allowed to select one player (called their "Designated Player") who can receive a five-year extension, bringing the total contract length to six seasons. A team can have at most one player on its roster whom they have designated for a longer extension, plus at most one player designated by another team whom they acquired in trade.
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3RA1N1AC said:
i think some people might be thinking of rookie scale extensions, not restricted free agency
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Not to mention even today nobody on the Pacers or Blazers would have ever been eligible to be a designated player.... its for MVPs, allstar starters and multi time all NBA team players.
 
no, we could've "designated' Batum before the season started. All a "designated" player gets is a 5yr, Max entension. For most players coming off their rookie contract it will be capped at the 25% max. But you can "designate" a "Derrick Rose player" to give him a 5yr extension at the 30% max.

For instance, this offseason the Clippers could designate Griffin. He'd get a 5-year extension on the 1 year left of his deal, so it's in effect signing a 6yr contract. If he makes another all-NBA or starts the all-star game, when the extension starts he'll get the 30%. If not, he'll get 25%.
 
Draco said:
Not to mention even today nobody on the Pacers or Blazers would have ever been eligible to be a designated player.... its for MVPs, allstar starters and multi time all NBA team players.
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two completely different things

designated player ≠ rookie scale 30% max player (aka d rose provision)

a d rose provision player doesnt even need to sign 5 years
 
Correct, but it has to be at least 4 for a rose player.
 
Has anyone taken the time to really look at Indiana's cap situation? I know they had a ton of cap room, but I wonder how it's looking. They've signed George Hill (who earlier turned down 6M a year) and drafted a first rounder. They are talking to Courtney Lee, Jamal Crawford, Chris Kaman, and maybe more. I'm just wondering if anyone knows if they can fill out their roster, match Hibbert, and stay under the cap?
 
^That's just it...... they don't have to stay under the cap to sign Hibbert. Just like us and Nic FAMS!
 
HCP said:
^That's just it...... they don't have to stay under the cap to sign Hibbert. Just like us and Nic FAMS!
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True...but Indiana's owner hasn't been one to spend wildly before. I know he reportedly OK'd spending the money to match Hibbert if they decide it's the best decision, but I doubt he's planning on going over the cap to do so. So, I'm guessing they are weighing their options and deciding if matching Hibbert or signing a number of players is smarter. Knowing their cap situation would be interesting & give us a better idea of the details of their internal debate are.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
True...but Indiana's owner hasn't been one to spend wildly before. I know he reportedly OK'd spending the money to match Hibbert if they decide it's the best decision, but I doubt he's planning on going over the cap to do so. So, I'm guessing they are weighing their options and deciding if matching Hibbert or signing a number of players is smarter. Knowing their cap situation would be interesting & give us a better idea of the details of their internal debate are.
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From what I've read, all of their medium-to-bigger contracts except one expires after this next year, and whichever large contract remains, it expires after the following season (except George Hill, that is). It sounds like they have pretty solid cap flexibility, overall. I don't think it's going to come down to the owner's ability to affort Hibbert around the cap. It sounds more like they are debating whether or not he's worth that size of contract.
 
Chuck Taylor said:
True...but Indiana's owner hasn't been one to spend wildly before. I know he reportedly OK'd spending the money to match Hibbert if they decide it's the best decision, but I doubt he's planning on going over the cap to do so. So, I'm guessing they are weighing their options and deciding if matching Hibbert or signing a number of players is smarter. Knowing their cap situation would be interesting & give us a better idea of the details of their internal debate are.
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New Pres and GM have both been known to spend to keep their guys though
 
Mediocre Man said:
New Pres and GM have both been known to spend to keep their guys though
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And they just gave Hill a pretty big deal. I like Hill, but not THAT much. If they're willing to spend what they did on Hill, I can't imagine they're not willing to match our offer.
 
Until the Pacers decline to match it's probably best to just assume they will. All-star centers don't often get away in restricted free agency regardless of how cheap their owner is (excepting of course the Clippers).
 
Nikolokolus said:
Until the Pacers decline to match it's probably best to just assume they will. All-star centers don't often get away in restricted free agency regardless of how cheap their owner is (excepting of course the Clippers).
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That's what I've already done. I'm assuming we're going into the season with the roster as is, plus Batum, and some scrubs or dead vets.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I see us panicking and signing Kaman and overpaying to keep Batum
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lets hope not, I'd offer kaman a cheap contract, like 2 yrs at 12-13 mil, a Hawes type deal, or we go "C" by committe and pick up some cheap guys like mahimi and/or A Randolph and hopefully Freeland comes over
 
Blazinaway said:
lets hope not, I'd offer kaman a cheap contract, like 2 yrs at 12-13 mil, a Hawes type deal, or we go "C" by committe and pick up some cheap guys like mahimi and/or A Randolph and hopefully Freeland comes over
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Even with the meds, I am getting a strong feeling that this off season is going to be a fail or epic proportions. The money we have is pretty much use it now or lose it. Batum and or his agent want nothing to do with Portland. The free agent we targeting is restricted, and "owned" by a GM we happened to fire on draft night. Other free agents out there, that might have been good fits have all agreed elsewhere. I like Damian Lillard, and think he will be a good NBA PG, but our two lottery picks were anything but sure things (Weber State and a fucking white center). Still no coach. Our roster right now is

Aldridge
Thomas
E. Williams
S. Williams
Smith
Matthews
Babbitt
 
craigehlo said:
Because Joel and Sabonis were total garbage? Relax.

You also leave out Freeland, Clavier and Will Barton as strong roster possibilities.
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Sabonis was Euro, so he doesn't count.

Joel sucks. Sorry Blazer fans, but he does. Joel's career averages of 4/6/1.4 blks 12.1 PER are awful. Kwame freaking Brown, regarded as one of the biggest busts in the NBA has career averages of 7/6/.6 blks 12.6 PER

Oh ya, those are all possibilities. I was simply going on actual players on the roster right now.
 
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