Blazers Offer Roy Hibbert Max Contract

[KingSpeed]

Am I the only one cringing right now?

Just don't think he's quite worth it. Good player, but fuck.

You're crazy. Hibbert would be the second best center in the West with the potential to become #1.

The bench needs a lot of work.

PG: TBD
SG: Matthews
SF: TBD
PF: Freeland
C: Leonard

Eliot Williams is forgotten here.

Take away Batum and Aldridge is the only one left from that 2008-2009 54-win playoff team

Damn

Joel

Oh hell no, I hate Brooks as a coach, think he is bascially mcmillian.

Brooks took Thunder from lotto to NBA Finals in three years. Nate doesn't compare.

This is freakin stupid. He's not worth the max.

He's completely worth the max. He's Oden without injuries or foul trouble.

I'm not saying Hibbert is a lumbering center but the need for those big centers is getting less and less. To me it's much easier to nuetralize a big man these days, especially with the foul trouble that slashing guards cause. I like the idea of signing him and forcing other teams to deal with our size inside, just not sure it makes THAT much better.

No, no, no. It's not that the NEED for dominant centers is getting less and less. It's that there AREN'T many dominant centers. Hibbert gave the Heat trouble. Thunder lost to Heat because they're big guys sucked. Getting Hibbert is essential to have a chance at winning it all. It's ridiculous to say big men don't matter. How do you think Orlando made it to Finals in '09? How do you think Dallas won in '11?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I don't think Hibbert is a dominant center

ok, lets look at this statement.

Bynum

Howard

Marc G

are any of these guys game changing in your opinion?

Hibbert is the next guy on this list. Ten times better than anything we have feilded with the exception on the promise of GO...well we all know how that worked out.

 

[PapaG]

I don't think Hibbert is a dominant center

19 PER on 20 USG is pretty effin' efficient for a guy whose calling card is defense.

In the playoffs, he went to a 21 PER on 19 USG.

I want him, and I think Indy would be crazy to let him go.

 

[RoyToy]

You're crazy. Hibbert would be the second best center in the West with the potential to become #1.

I don't see it. Don't think he is dominant at all. I think you use that term too loosely.

Joel

Joel is a free agent

 

[KingSpeed]

I don't think Hibbert is a dominant center

But he is. He rebounds at a high rate, he blocks shots at a high rate (potential to be Defensive Player of the Year multiple times), and has a decent offensive game with potential to improve. There is only one other center (Bynum) in the West that is better than Hibbert and that could change as Hibbert develops.

 

[KingSpeed]

RoyToy, you clearly didn't watch the Pacers play much. Hibbert is a chance to beat the Heat.

 

[RoyToy]

19 PER on 20 USG is pretty effin' efficient for a guy whose calling card is defense.

In the playoffs, he went to a 21 PER on 19 USG.

I want him, and I think Indy would be crazy to let him go.

In the playoffs in 11 games against two teams with no real center (Magic, Heat) he didn't really dominant

The only thing he dominated in was blocks. After that he was 12/11 on 50% shooting. This is against two teams with no real center.

 

[PapaG]

ok, lets look at this statement.

Bynum

Howard

Marc G

are any of these guys game changing in your opinion?

Hibbert is the next guy on this list. Ten times better than anything we have feilded with the exception on the promise of GO...well we all know how that worked out.

Hibbert had a better PER than Marc Gasol last year.

He's a legitimate top 5 center, given what he proved in the playoffs.

 

[KingSpeed]

Hibbert averaged 12/11/3 in second playoffs of his career. Isn't that what we dreamed Oden would be if healthy?

 

[PapaG]

In the playoffs in 11 games against two teams with no real center (Magic, Heat) he didn't really dominant

The only thing he dominated in was blocks. After that he was 12/11 on 50% shooting. This is against two teams with no real center.

Um, the point is that he dominated those teams on the defensive end of the court. Who cares if they didn't have a center? Is it his fault that players like him are a rarity?

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think Hibbert is "dominant" but the "rookie max" (a term I'm using for a max deal for a player coming off a rookie contract) isn't really dominant player money. A truly dominant center would be worth $20+ million. That's not Hibbert. Hibbert is a very good center. He can be dominant on defense (he isn't all the time, though he's always at least a valuable defensive presence), he's very good on the boards and he at least forces teams to guard him on offense (unlike some other notable defensive centers like Okafor or Chandler without a great P&R point guard) with some upside to be more than that.

Dwight Howard he ain't, but I think he's a borderline All Star.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Howard
Bynum
Chandler/Hibbert

Just my opinion.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I want him, and I think Indy would be crazy to let him go.

wholeheartedly agree, blazers would get his prime years too, cant overstate that

 

[RoyToy]

Um, the point is that he dominated those teams on the defensive end of the court. Who cares if they didn't have a center? Is it his fault that players like him are a rarity?

The fact he's 7-2 and only shoots 50% against no real frontline is NOT dominant

Yeah, he can protect the basket. So could Joel Przybilla in his day....and not on a MAX contract

If I'm handing out a MAX contract, the guy better be truly dominant. I don't think Hibbert is.

 

[PapaG]

I don't think Hibbert is "dominant" but the "rookie max" (a term I'm using for a max deal for a player coming off a rookie contract) isn't really dominant player money. A truly dominant center would be worth $20+ million. That's not Hibbert. Hibbert is a very good center. He can be dominant on defense (he isn't all the time, though he's always at least a valuable defensive presence), he's very good on the boards and he at least forces teams to guard him on offense (unlike some other notable defensive centers like Okafor or Chandler without a great P&R point guard) with some upside to be more than that.

Dwight Howard he ain't, but I think he's a borderline All Star.

He was a literal All-Star this season.

<Insert Jamal Magloire joke here>

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Um, the point is that he dominated those teams on the defensive end of the court. Who cares if they didn't have a center? Is it his fault that players like him are a rarity?

this argument amuses me too, like miami wouldnt have played hibbert if they had him?

 

[Tince]

The fact he's 7-2 and only shoots 50% against no real frontline is NOT dominant

Yeah, he can protect the basket. So could Joel Przybilla in his day....and not on a MAX contract

If I'm handing out a MAX contract, the guy better be truly dominant. I don't think Hibbert is.

I don't think you're wrong that we're over paying Hibbert. However, the odds of Portland landing a "dominant" player in free agency is slim to none.

 

[Minstrel]

If I'm handing out a MAX contract, the guy better be truly dominant. I don't think Hibbert is.

Using the term "max contract" as a scare phrase isn't very compelling. All max contracts aren't the same. Hibbert's max deal isn't in line with what a "truly dominant" player should be earning.

I wouldn't offer Hibbert the kind of max deal that LeBron James can earn, but he's worth the max deal that he's in line for coming off a rookie contract.

 

[PapaG]

The fact he's 7-2 and only shoots 50% against no real frontline is NOT dominant

Yeah, he can protect the basket. So could Joel Przybilla in his day....and not on a MAX contract

If I'm handing out a MAX contract, the guy better be truly dominant. I don't think Hibbert is.

Well, the only way to possibly get him is to overpay. Such is life when your target is a RFA. If Portland and all the other teams offered $8m/y over 4 years, Indiana would automatically match it.

Hibbert was 21st in the NBA in FG%, by the way.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals

 

[KingSpeed]

In the playoffs in 11 games against two teams with no real center (Magic, Heat) he didn't really dominant

The only thing he dominated in was blocks. After that he was 12/11 on 50% shooting. This is against two teams with no real center.

In today's NBA, 12/11/3 on 50% shooting is dominant. Also remember, he's only played in the NBA for four years. He has lots of time to improve. Why are you against having one of the best centers in the league? You'd rather Omar Asik? Or Joel? Or inexperienced Leonard?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Hibber - 7'2"
Leonard - 7'1.25"

When was the last time the Blazers had this big of a center rotation?

 

[Minstrel]

He was a literal All-Star this season.

<Insert Jamal Magloire joke here>

Yeah, I know. "Borderline All Star" to me means that he's on the line of All Star caliber in a normal season. Dale Davis and Magloire made the All Star team in down years for big men in their conference, so I stay away from noting actual All Star berths and stick with evaluations of whether I consider the play All Star caliber in any normal year.

 

[RoyToy]

Well, the only way to possibly get him is to overpay. Such is life when your target is a RFA. If Portland and all the other teams offered $8m/y over 4 years, Indiana would automatically match it.

Hibbert was 21st in the NBA in FG%, by the way.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/field-goals

You kind of made my point for me with that link

So he shot .497% last season. For a 7-2 guy, that's not very good!

I like Hibbert and I think he's a good player. But we're talking about MAX money here.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

The fact he's 7-2 and only shoots 50% against no real frontline is NOT dominant

Yeah, he can protect the basket. So could Joel Przybilla in his day....and not on a MAX contract

If I'm handing out a MAX contract, the guy better be truly dominant. I don't think Hibbert is.

ok, I get it, you are just trolling, good job, you got me.
You tipped your hand with the complaint of his shootine percentage,nd comparing his offence to Joel, lol , funny stuff, thanks

 

[KingSpeed]

Um, the point is that he dominated those teams on the defensive end of the court. Who cares if they didn't have a center? Is it his fault that players like him are a rarity?

I don't think Hibbert is "dominant" but the "rookie max" (a term I'm using for a max deal for a player coming off a rookie contract) isn't really dominant player money. A truly dominant center would be worth $20+ million. That's not Hibbert. Hibbert is a very good center. He can be dominant on defense (he isn't all the time, though he's always at least a valuable defensive presence), he's very good on the boards and he at least forces teams to guard him on offense (unlike some other notable defensive centers like Okafor or Chandler without a great P&R point guard) with some upside to be more than that.

Dwight Howard he ain't, but I think he's a borderline All Star.

Not borderline. He IS an All Star. Why people are against signing an All Star center is beyond me.

 

[PapaG]

Tim Duncan only shot 49% against Utah (no center), LAC (no dominant center), and OKC (Kendrick Perkins sucks these days).

Tim Duncan sucks.

 

[Minstrel]

Hibber - 7'2"
Leonard - 7'1.25"

When was the last time the Blazers had this big of a center rotation?

Toss in Aldridge and the team has a pretty nice young/young-prime group of big men. Assuming that the Blazers do end up with Hibbert.

 

[RoyToy]

ok, I get it, you are just trolling, good job, you got me.
You tipped your hand with the complaint of his shootine percentage,nd comparing his offence to Joel, lol , funny stuff, thanks

I have no idea what you just said

 

[Minstrel]

But we're talking about MAX money here.

No, we aren't. We're talking about max money...not MAX money. There's a difference, which you keep forgetting.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

You kind of made my point for me with that link

So he shot .497% last season. For a 7-2 guy, that's not very good!

I like Hibbert and I think he's a good player. But we're talking about MAX money here.

lol with that logic, thabeet should be rockin the hoop