Blazers Offer Roy Hibbert Max Contract

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I like the offer to Hibbert. Hopefully Indiana doesn't match. Size matters.
 
RoyToy said:
You kind of made my point for me with that link

So he shot .497% last season. For a 7-2 guy, that's not very good!

I like Hibbert and I think he's a good player. But we're talking about MAX money here.
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Why isn't it "very good"? He has a reliable shot out to 15'. It's not like he's Joel Przybilla and shoots nothing but putbacks and dunks.

Have you ever actually watched Hibbert play? He could average 20ppg on a team that featured him offensively. He has a very good face-up game.

Watch the move @1:55
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RoyToy said:
You kind of made my point for me with that link

So he shot .497% last season. For a 7-2 guy, that's not very good!

I like Hibbert and I think he's a good player. But we're talking about MAX money here.
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Who would you prefer be our center the next 5 years? And how do yphi suggest we get him? Furthermore, if we don't spend the money on Hibbert, what available All Star player would you rather offer the money to?
 
PapaG said:
Why isn't it "very good"? He has a reliable shot out to 15'. It's not like he's Joel Przybilla and shoots nothing but putbacks and dunks.

Have you ever actually watched Hibbert play? He could average 20ppg on a team that featured him offensively. He has a very good face-up game.

Watch the move @1:55
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[video=youtube;AbbPeSoMJ3Y]
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No, RoyToy hasn't watched him play. It's nice to be in agreement with you, PapaG.
 
PapaG said:
Why isn't it "very good"? He has a reliable shot out to 15'. It's not like he's Joel Przybilla and shoots nothing but putbacks and dunks.

Have you ever actually watched Hibbert play? He could average 20ppg on a team that featured him offensively. He has a very good face-up game.

Watch the move @1:55
[video=youtube;UNUMJHEmDto]

[video=youtube;AbbPeSoMJ3Y]
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Yes I've seen him play

And as I said during the playoffs as the games were happening and watching them

I would laugh at any team that gave him a MAX contract
 
I think this is a great move. We've got the cap space and there aren't a lot of other options out there. At least we've got a shot at him. If Indy matches, so what. What do we lose? Who else would you go after right now? Deron isn't coming here. Nash is too old. Gordon is a RFA as well, so it's pretty much the same thing with him. I like the signing. He fits the window, he's a legit center and he's an All-Star. Solid move. If they match, so what. We tried.
 
Minstrel said:
No, we aren't. We're talking about max money...not MAX money. There's a difference, which you keep forgetting. ;)
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I guess Im looking at this from a little different perspective, I really could give a crap what title is put on it whether its "max" "MAX" or "SUPERSTUPENDOUSMAX" What it comes down to me is I would be willing to pay him 4 years $48 mil. The length of the contract is good, he fills a need for our team (size, rebounding and defensive presense) and compliments LMA almost perfectly. So im with you. Unless you can find a better available player with that criteria then I like the offer. At some point you have to go the extra mile to win. Its not we are overpaying an over the hill aging veteran here. Its a real possibilty that he could get even better.
 
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RoyToy said:
Yes I've seen him play

And as I said during the playoffs as the games were happening and watching them

I would laugh at any team that gave him a MAX contract
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Well, if you've seen him play, you wouldn't make an idiotic post referring to his FG% as if it matters. He plays pick and pop quite often. What a match-up nightmare, being able to PnR with both LMA and Hibbert as screeners.
 
I love the idea of adding Hibbert. Seems like a perfect complement to Aldridge--a lunch pail defensive player who can also score a little. He's the Tyson Chandler to Aldridge's Dirk. If we can keep Batum too, we'll have a really formidable defensive front line.

Really, of our 6 best players only Lillard projects to be a below-average defender, and I say that about him only because he's never played against NBA competition.
 
Minstrel said:
Yeah, I know. "Borderline All Star" to me means that he's on the line of All Star caliber in a normal season. Dale Davis and Magloire made the All Star team in down years for big men in their conference, so I stay away from noting actual All Star berths and stick with evaluations of whether I consider the play All Star caliber in any normal year.
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What on earth is a normal year?
 
Boise Blazer said:
I guess Im looking at this from a little different perspective, I really could give a crap what title is put on it whether its "max" "MAX" or "SUPERSTUPENDOUSMAX" What is comes down to me is I would be willing to pay him 4 years $48 mil.
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Yes, that's exactly my point. The term "MAX money" is rather meaningless...maximum contracts, at any given point, vary by service time. What matters is the actual terms of the deal...money and years.

The max that Hibbert is in line for, I believe, is about $15 million average annual value (it'll be cheaper at the start and then escalate) over four years. I don't think that's a significant overpay for a good young two-way center who can be dominant on one end (defense), rebounds and still may have some upside left.
 
Still waiting to hear what available center RoyToy would rather us have....
 
RR7 said:
It's true many teams go away from two bigs, and also the finals teams didn't have a good C, and we're a decent team with LMA at the 5, etc. Is it wrong, though, to try to get the league to adjust to you, instead of adjusting to what they're doing?
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The point is, you don't throw franchise player money at a guy that can't impact the game at a franchise player level, just because there aren't better options. Otherwise, you quickly find yourself cap-strapped and unable to improve the roster elsewhere.
 
handiman said:
The point is, you don't throw franchise player money at a guy that can't impact the game at a franchise player level, just because there aren't better options. Otherwise, you quickly find yourself cap-strapped and unable to improve the roster elsewhere.
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What available center would you rather us have?
 
KingSpeed said:
What on earth is a normal year?
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A year in which competition at a particular position isn't unusually weak. Jamaal Magloire, for example, made an All Star team, but that said a lot more about the quality of big men in the East that year than how good Magloire was.
 
PapaG said:
Well, if you've seen him play, you wouldn't make an idiotic post referring to his FG% as if it matters. He plays pick and pop quite often. What a match-up nightmare, being able to PnR with both LMA and Hibbert as screeners.
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No, his FG% does matters, and it also shows he's not dominating the paint.

Last season he shot 57% on shots he attempted right under the rim.

Dwight Howard? 74%
Bynum? 73%
Pau? 66%
Marc? 69%
Duncan? 63%

I'm sure you get the idea by now, and tells you why he shot under 50% last season.
 
Are people seriously opposed to signing an all star center in a position that would help us out tremendously?
 
PapaG said:
Well, if you've seen him play, you wouldn't make an idiotic post referring to his FG% as if it matters. He plays pick and pop quite often. What a match-up nightmare, being able to PnR with both LMA and Hibbert as screeners.
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run a double pick with both of them and lillard, beyond nasty

my only complaint is that he actually duplicates a little of what lma does, and is not explosive whatsoever, i would guess a vert in 20's
 
Hibbert would give us a "big physical" body. I see no duplication. A space eater. Leonard and LMA have height, but not much meat.
 
Minstrel said:
A year in which competition at a particular position isn't unusually weak. Jamaal Magloire, for example, made an All Star team, but that said a lot more about the quality of big men in the East that year than how good Magloire was.
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But the only years that matter are the next four years. Are they normal? Does that matter? Hibbert is an All Star.
 
KingSpeed said:
What on earth is a normal year?
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I get what Minstrel is saying, but I actually think that Hibbert was a legitimate All-Star last year. As I posted previously, a 19 PER on 20 USG is very, very good for a guy who was thought to be a defensive specialist. I also like that the coaches in the East respected him enough to vote him into the game.

For comparison, the year Jamaal Magloire made the All-Star game, he was a replacement player, and his PER for the season was 16.5 on 20 USG, and he only blocked 1 shot a game.

That's not even "borderline" All-Star, but somebody had to go.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
run a double pick with both of them and lillard, beyond nasty

my only complaint is that he actually duplicates a little of what lma does, and is not explosive whatsoever, i would guess a vert in 20's
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yeah, but it would give us so many options, I would love to see lma PaR high and Hibbert on the block, Nic spot up for a three..drool
 
Minstrel said:
Using the term "max contract" as a scare phrase isn't very compelling. All max contracts aren't the same. Hibbert's max deal isn't in line with what a "truly dominant" player should be earning.

I wouldn't offer Hibbert the kind of max deal that LeBron James can earn, but he's worth the max deal that he's in line for coming off a rookie contract.
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I disagree. You're playing with the words as much as any... Hibbert's "max" deal is no different from the max deals for anyone coming off their rookie contract, which is all he can be compared to. Most franchise players are established as such by the end of their rookie deal, so it's a perfectly fair comparison. Hibbert is not in that category.
 
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