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i like kaman if this hibbert deal gets matched, 3/30
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
So anyway..... Any other centers out there people are interested in if/when Indy matches?

I'd be interested in Kaman for maybe two years, but that seems to go against what Olshey has said.

Lopez is intriguing, but unlike Indy, no matter the offer, NJ is like to match without hesitation (given their deep funds).
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Haynes already said he expects us to go after Hawes if the Pacers match
 
3RA1N1AC said:
i like kaman if this hibbert deal gets matched, 3/30
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I like that as well. LMA can't go into next season with Freeland and Nards as his centers, and nobody as his back-up.
 
PapaG said:
Nobody is offering Lopez because he's had two broken bones in the same foot over the last 9 months.

Brooklyn will be 'lucky' in that whatever they match won't be much, but then again, Lopez could take the Q.O. and become a UFA next summer.
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Asik just got $8M per. As things settle, Lopez will get his.

Asik At $8M? WTF is going on?
 
Asik is $5M, $5M, and a $15M expiring contract.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
except that for their careers thus far brook lopez has higher per game marks in... (deep breath)....points, offensive rebounds, defensive rebounds, ft percentage, shooting percentage, free throw attempts, steals, less fouls, and tied in blocks and assists, most of those likely to do with the fact he has played 10 mpg more thus far (guess you cant produce when you arent on the floor)

in fact the one and only category that brook falls to hibbert in is turnovers 2.1pg to 1.7pg

oh and a much higher PER, more win shares, and a higher ws/48

thanks for pointing out whatever you were pointing out though
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But what has Lopez done lately? Hibbert was voted into the All Star game by the coaches and averaged 12/11/3 in two rounds of the playoffs.
 
i dont know ks, what has eric gordon done lately?
 
Minstrel said:
I don't know for sure that Hibbert can continue producing at his per-minute level if his minutes went up, but I think it's a decent gamble. I don't feel that his minutes were purposely kept low due being a limited player (as is generally the case for, like, a 7 MPG player who has awesome per-minute numbers), so that red flag at least isn't there (in my opinion).
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Hibbert had asthma and fouls that limited his playing time. Those likely will both limit his playing time going forward. If Lopez is healthy I'd expect him to play more minutes then Hibbert.

BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Asik just got $8M per. As things settle, Lopez will get his.

Asik At $8M? WTF is going on?
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Same thing as last year when someone paid Kwame Brown $7 million per.

Denny Crane said:
Asik is $5M, $5M, and a $15M expiring contract.
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That could be a toxic luxury tax offer to a team that'll be right at the tax line.
 
Yeah but Kwame was only a one-year deal. And for less than $8m per, IIRC. And as bad as he is, his stats are better than Asik's.
 
Draco said:
Hibbert had asthma and fouls that limited his playing time. Those likely will both limit his playing time going forward. If Lopez is healthy I'd expect him to play more minutes then Hibbert.
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That I did not know, about the asthma. As for fouls, he had 3.6 personal fouls per 36 minutes. If his minutes really were limited for that reason, I'd say that was excessively cautious and unnecessary for Portland to do.

However, the asthma could certainly be an issue. I don't know how to evaluate that, so I'll just hope for the best if the Blazers acquire him.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Yeah but Kwame was only a one-year deal. And for less than $8m per, IIRC. And as bad as he is, his stats are better than Asik's.
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Asik is a great defender and rebounder. He brings a lot of value despite low production.

Brown is actually a decent defender, too, so his salary was really not bananas, though maybe a bit on the high side.
 
Minstrel said:
That I did not know, about the asthma. As for fouls, he had 3.6 personal fouls per 36 minutes. If his minutes really were limited for that reason, I'd say that was excessively cautious and unnecessary for Portland to do.

However, the asthma could certainly be an issue. I don't know how to evaluate that, so I'll just hope for the best if the Blazers acquire him.
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I have a lot of concerns about Hibbert. But considering the deal would only be for 4 years, and he'll be 29 when the deal is completed, I'm not that concerned. He should last, and we'd have his best years.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
i dont know ks, what has eric gordon done lately?
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In his last full season, he was a top 10 scorer in the league, I believe. That's what you want in a SG. In Lopez's last full season, he averaged 6 rebounds per game. That's not what you want out of your starting center.
 
I just heard David Aldridge on NBA TV say that Hibbert was blown away by the Blazers offer and he wants to go to Portland.

I say way to go Olshay - love the bold move!
 
Stevenson said:
I just heard David Aldridge on NBA TV say that Hibbert was blown away by the Blazers offer and he wants to go to Portland.

I say way to go Olshay - love the bold move!
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im thinking there is a large signing bonus or frontload or both then, because im sure he was expecting a max level deal anyways
 
KingSpeed said:
In his last full season, he was a top 10 scorer in the league, I believe. That's what you want in a SG. In Lopez's last full season, he averaged 6 rebounds per game. That's not what you want out of your starting center.
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His last full season? For the last 3 years, he's played. 9, 56, and 62 games (after 78 his rookie year).

So tell us which "full" season...
 
Some good tidbits from Hollinger:

Meanwhile, two restricted free agents with Portland connections are the other big news. Minnesota seems set to offer Nicolas Batum a four-year, $44 million offer sheet, and it's one I have mixed feelings about. On the one hand, signing a young, tall wing who can shoot is almost always worth it, and in restricted free agency you pretty much have to overbid to pry a player loose -- especially when your average temperature is 12 Kelvin.
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To clear up one piece of confusion on Batum, his cap hold will not change before the Blazers make a decision on matching any offer sheet from Minnesota. The Wolves can't sign him until July 11, and the Blazers will have three days to match once they've received the contract.
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I would lean toward matching if I were Portland, but this is not a clear call. If they don't want to, their best move might be to involve Minnesota in sign-and-trade talks between now and the 11th -- say, for Luke Ridnour, given the Blazers' point guard needs -- which would also allow them to time the deal when it suits them given their other cap plans.
The cap hold for Batum is important because the Blazers plan to use their own hoard of cap space -- one that includes a below-market cap hold for Batum -- to provide a max offer sheet for Indiana center Roy Hibbert. The Blazers have $16.8 million in cap room and Hibbert's max deal starts at $13.7 million; they would have to renounce their rights to J.J. Hickson, Jamal Crawford and Raymond Felton to do this, but that's not an issue.

One presumes Indiana will match the Blazers' offer sheet, pushing the question down the line of which centers the Blazers pursue next. With Omer Asik -- another Portland Day 1 target, and the fourth deal of the day, which I wrote about here -- off the list, it appears the next in line would be Philadelphia center Spencer Hawes. He's an unrestricted free agent who hails from Seattle, and the Sixers' luxury tax concerns may make them skittish about rivaling a competitive offer from the Blazers.
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I think you match the $11m/per easily. This is where I thought the ceiling should be.
 
Exactly my thoughts. First time I've heard an actual number though, as $45-50M has mostly been floated around. Beyond Batum/LA/Hibbert POR would not really really have any monstrous contracts on the roster until Lillard and the rookies are up for potential extensions.
 
I think if they have an offer they like, and they go with it, and you want to match, I think we write up the contract for him, to be signed...I dunno, July 17th or whatever, but basically say look, we're matching, here's the deal, give us time to get free agents, but here is your contract.
 
Been remodeling my house all weekend and totally unplugged from the Puter. Imagine my surprise?

Didn't expect this, but I really like this signing, yes Hibbert is more O then D, but he's a really, really good center and his ability to play both with his back to the basket and step out and knock down an outside shot should make he and Aldridge fairly complimentary ... As for Nicolas, 11 mil/year is pretty steep, but it's probably still matchable ... oof.
 
How did Hollinger get 13.7M for the start of Roy's "max"? That would assume a 54.8M salary cap, no? I haven't heard anything to say it's projected to go DOWN by 4M. Anyone?

EDIT: Found it in the BRI calcs of the new CBA. Max at 58.044M is ~12.9. Hollinger's 13.7 must assume a cap of ~61M
 
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