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What we need to do is throw deals at Hornets fans, and once we hit the threshold where both sides feel like they're getting ripped off, we'll have an idea of what's being discussed.
 
Ed O said:
You're a bit confused. No offense. :)

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q88

See the first bullet in that section, and the sentence about how it only applies to teams over the cap. The Knicks aren't, so it doesn't.

The 48 hours thing has to do with a sign-and-trade. See the note on Danny Manning at the end of that section.

Ed O.
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None taken...... but this is why we have Cho right? A CBA/cap expert. We have the right pieces to make a trade work and have the right GM who understands the nuances and finer details of the CBA that will not only give NO the most cap relief but will also supply them with young talent in order to prevent NO from being a complete bottom feeder for years to come. New York may be able to give them the relief but I think they come up short on the talent side of the equation.
 
Entity said:
What we need to do is throw deals at Hornets fans, and once we hit the threshold where both sides feel like they're getting ripped off, we'll have an idea of what's being discussed.
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Or have our FO barrage their FO constantly with trade proposals 24/7 until they finally give in.
 
Things to consider from New Orleans' perspective:

Talent to trade: (plus any number of draft picks)

1. Magic (Nelson + Gortat and change)
2. Blazers (Batum + Fernandez + Miller + a center, and perhaps change)
3. Mavericks (Haywood + Terry and change)
4. Knicks (nothing)

Cap relief: (Paul + Okafor = $26 mil+, probably some cash considerations)

1. Mavericks (Chandler + Butler + Stevenson = $27 mil, or less a player or two and add some talent)
2. Magic (Carter = $17.5 mil, + talent)
3. Blazers (Miller + Przybilla = $14.6 mil, + talent)
4. Knicks (Curry + Azubuike + remaining cap space = $16 mil, no talent)

As far out of their path as possible:

1T. Knicks (other conference)
1T. Magic (other conference)
3. Blazers (same conference)
4. Mavericks (same division)
 
Galinari? Chandler? Not talent?
 
I'm conflicted about this. As much as I'd love to have Paul, I would miss Batum very, very much.
 
EGame said:
He's got to go if we get Paul. It really is not that hard to grasp. If you don't want to trade him for Paul, that is fine, but Oden will have to go if a trade is complete.
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Oh I get it you like mediocrity and getting spanked by LAL's superior length. Or maybe you like crushing heart break of 2nd best by not taking advantage of Miami's one weakness at center. It's all very clear now.

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OSUBlazerfan said:
DONT TRADE ODEN!!!!

fuckkk people
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I don't get it either man. I think they hate rebounding and interior defense combined with youth. I KNOW CAMBY WILL SAVE US OR MAYBE JOEL!!!! THAT'S THE TICKET!!!!
 
I think it's funny that Simmons is trying to throw Boston into the mix. There's a reason why CP3 left Boston off his list. That team is going to SUCK when Garnett, Pierce, and Allen retire or are too old to play at a high level. How many years do they have left? One? Two? Rondo IS the future of that team, and if he were to be traded for CP3, who else would make that team relevant in the post-big three era? I'd bet Paul bolts in two years. Nice try Bill, but your team is headed for another spell of shitty teams.
 
Idog1976 said:
I don't get it either man. I think they hate rebounding and interior defense combined with youth. I KNOW CAMBY WILL SAVE US OR MAYBE JOEL!!!! THAT'S THE TICKET!!!!
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I don't hate it. If it could stay on the court for more than 27 games.
 
Idog1976 said:
I don't get it either man. I think they hate rebounding and interior defense combined with youth. I KNOW CAMBY WILL SAVE US OR MAYBE JOEL!!!! THAT'S THE TICKET!!!!
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I think it's all the injuries he's had to go through, it really wears on the fans as well. I don't want to see him go, but if he gets hurt again, it will just be yet another setback, and i'm not sure a lot of fans want to go through that again.
 
Idog1976 said:
I don't get it either man. I think they hate rebounding and interior defense combined with youth. I KNOW CAMBY WILL SAVE US OR MAYBE JOEL!!!! THAT'S THE TICKET!!!!
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I'm very torn here.

I really like Oden. I think he's still got a chance to be a HoF-level center. I REALLY really like him.

But CP is a likely HoFer. He's just entering his prime. He still even has some room to improve.

I don't want to trade Oden, but if push came to shove I might be willing to in order to get CP... especially if Okafor is coming back so we have an average+ starting center...

Ed O.
 
I think it's funny that fans for every team in the league are saying, "we should get Paul." I really think there's only a handful of teams in the league that offer what the Hornets will want, and even fewer that can match what the Blazers can offer. But hey, one can dream, right?
 
Ed O said:
I'm very torn here.

I really like Oden. I think he's still got a chance to be a HoF-level center. I REALLY really like him.

But CP is a likely HoFer. He's just entering his prime. He still even has some room to improve.

I don't want to trade Oden, but if push came to shove I might be willing to in order to get CP... especially if Okafor is coming back so we have an average+ starting center...

Ed O.
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This, but:

If Oden averaged 11/8.5 last season with 23 PER over the course of 82 games, I wouldn't trade him for Paul. But his injury history is just too big to ignore for me.
 
B-Roy said:
I don't hate it. If it could stay on the court for more than 27 games.
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Well no question man, but Camby is old Joel is MORE injured then Oden currently and uh...that's it for big men. Did I miss Lopez or Howard demanding a trade to Portland? Looks to me like Oden is our one shot to hurt Miami where they are weak and to contend with LAL's length. Sure Camby is great, if healthy he gets injured too of course, but he is old. So...how do we compete with LAL and MIA for the title? That's a serious question? CP3 doesn't magically give LMA a heart transplant with Buck Williams or anything. We would get destroyed by LAL on the boards period. We probably wouldn't even sniff MIA and if we did we'd be smelling their knee as their foot was so far up our ass it came out the other end.
 
B-Roy said:
This, but:

If Oden averaged 11/8.5 last season with 23 PER over the course of 82 games, I wouldn't trade him for Paul. But his injury history is just too big to ignore for me.
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And Paul and Roy's knees? What if Paul comes here and that scope is worse then we were told? We just gutted our roster and it's done. Send Oden out alone with filler and keep Batum or vice versa. It's just too much to send out both. I also think Oden gamble > lower risk gamble on Batum's shoulder. Just my opinion.
 
Ed O said:
I'm very torn here.

I really like Oden. I think he's still got a chance to be a HoF-level center. I REALLY really like him.

But CP is a likely HoFer. He's just entering his prime. He still even has some room to improve.

I don't want to trade Oden, but if push came to shove I might be willing to in order to get CP... especially if Okafor is coming back so we have an average+ starting center...

Ed O.
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Yeah Okafor would cushion the blow. I don't hate it, but wouldn't give up Oden + Batum for sure. Call me crazy but that is overpaying.
 
Idog1976 said:
Well no question man, but Camby is old Joel is MORE injured then Oden currently and uh...that's it for big men.
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Camby hasn't shown any signs of aging. Joel is likely gone in the trade anyways, and Okafor would likely come back in the trade. He's a 10/10 big man with solid defense, who has had three straight 82 game seasons.

We've never even seen a backcourt as good as Paul/Roy in the modern era. I wish you would at least give them a chance before deeming them unable to contend with the Lakers/Heat's etc.
 
Idog1976 said:
Oh I get it you like mediocrity and getting spanked by LAL's superior length. Or maybe you like crushing heart break of 2nd best by not taking advantage of Miami's one weakness at center. It's all very clear now.

no-mediocrity-300x300.gif
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Wake me up when Oden is actually on the court, plz.
 
Idog1976 said:
And Paul and Roy's knees? What if Paul comes here and that scope is worse then we were told? We just gutted our roster and it's done. Send Oden out alone with filler and keep Batum or vice versa. It's just too much to send out both. I also think Oden gamble > lower risk gamble on Batum's shoulder. Just my opinion.
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Who is more likely to stay healthy? Roy and Paul, or Oden? I'm playing the odds here.
 
Entity said:
Things to consider from New Orleans' perspective:

Talent to trade: (plus any number of draft picks)

1. Magic (Nelson + Gortat and change)
2. Blazers (Batum + Fernandez + Miller + a center, and perhaps change)
3. Mavericks (Haywood + Terry and change)
4. Knicks (nothing)

Cap relief: (Paul + Okafor = $26 mil+, probably some cash considerations)

1. Mavericks (Chandler + Butler + Stevenson = $27 mil, or less a player or two and add some talent)
2. Magic (Carter = $17.5 mil, + talent)
3. Blazers (Miller + Przybilla = $14.6 mil, + talent)
4. Knicks (Curry + Azubuike + remaining cap space = $16 mil, no talent)

As far out of their path as possible:

1T. Knicks (other conference)
1T. Magic (other conference)
3. Blazers (same conference)
4. Mavericks (same division)
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A few minor points:

- Carter is not an expiring contract, he's guaranteed 4 million the year after this one.
- Furthermore, you need to adjust the real dollar value of Joel and Andre's combined expiring deals because insurance is paying 80% of Joel's salary (Thus he represents up to 5.92 million in real cash savings if he missed all of next year, but more likely will be back around the half-way point of the season, but would still save them around 2.9 million in real cash expenditures).
 
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