Notice Blazers Pick Shaedon Sharpe With #7 Pick

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Haakzilla said:
...I don't know if this little anecdotal story I have to share is relevant to the sentiment of "holding them back", but during Bartons rookie season I attended a home game vs Memphis and this was a prime example of Stotts neglecting to give young guys burn in a meaningless game. Barton had played really well in the few moments he got during the first half and Matthews was out there on a hobbled ankle that appeared to be re-aggrivated in the 2nd half. Now keep in mind, Memphis was winning by double digits the whole time and there was absolutely no playoff implications...so what did ole Terr Bear do??? He played Barton ZERO MINUTES in the 2nd half and left Matthews out there most of the 3rd and 4th quarters limping around.

I believe this is the type of scenario that a lot of fans started to take issue with. Why in the world would he not let Barton play? Especially after playing well in the 1st half...it seems like this was the perfect time to let him develop more during such an inconsequential game :dunno:
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While I don't think it's appropriate to use one game out of a thousand as proof for/against something, I do think Barton is the strongest case for being "held back" by Stotts. But if we point to 1-3 examples of him holding a player back over 10 years, you can also point to 1-3 young guys who played well under him. I don't think the data backs up Stotts getting the most out of young guys or holding them back, I just see it as a narrative.

Your "ride the hot hand" argument is also one I find to be very weak, because the data would say if Player A has been better than Player B all season, they're still more likely to have a better 2nd half, even if Player B had a better first half.

Stotts was a fine coach and Billups appears to be one as well. No need for made up narratives to prop up one or pull down another.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Stotts was a dumbass. I could have coached Dame to the first round.
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I know you don't actually believe this, but it's crazy to think some people here actually believe they'd be a better coach/GM/ref etc.The Dunning–Kruger effect is everywhere, but in sports, it is a wild one.
 
Good looking shooting from the 1v1 clip, but all the shots moving to his left are not super impressive..
The turnaround fadeaway though, moving to his right...wow. He's got it.
 
C_note said:
Good looking shooting from the 1v1 clip, but all the shots moving to his left are not super impressive..
The turnaround fadeaway though, moving to his right...wow. He's got it.
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He certainly passes the eye test.
 
Tince said:
I know you don't actually believe this, but it's crazy to think some people here actually believe they'd be a better coach/GM/ref etc.The Dunning–Kruger effect is everywhere, but in sports, it is a wild one.
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It’s just a bombastic way of illustrating that I think any coach could hand Dame the ball and say, “go score points.”
 
Natebishop3 said:
It’s just a bombastic way of illustrating that I think any coach could hand Dame the ball and say, “go score points.”
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The problem is - there's 5 players on the team.
Stotts did a good job of bringing all the role players together and over-performing their individual talent.
The issue was it took him and the team time to get there. Always the 2nd half of the season.

And in the playoffs....couldn't adjust quick enough.
Chauncey MIGHT have the capability to adjust in clutch times.
 
hoopsjock said:
Similar story for me. Nas' first start he was shutting down Siakam until leaving with his 4th foul late in the 3rd quarter. Siakam proceeded to torch Hezonja in the 4th quarter. Nas never came back in and Stotts left Hezonja on him. Blazers lose.
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I remember this. Way to psychologically fuck your young guy's head up. Stotts was awful. No wonder why nobody wants to hire him as a head coach.
 
Haakzilla said:
...I don't know if this little anecdotal story I have to share is relevant to the sentiment of "holding them back", but during Bartons rookie season I attended a home game vs Memphis and this was a prime example of Stotts neglecting to give young guys burn in a meaningless game. Barton had played really well in the few moments he got during the first half and Matthews was out there on a hobbled ankle that appeared to be re-aggrivated in the 2nd half. Now keep in mind, Memphis was winning by double digits the whole time and there was absolutely no playoff implications...so what did ole Terr Bear do??? He played Barton ZERO MINUTES in the 2nd half and left Matthews out there most of the 3rd and 4th quarters limping around.

I believe this is the type of scenario that a lot of fans started to take issue with. Why in the world would he not let Barton play? Especially after playing well in the 1st half...it seems like this was the perfect time to let him develop more during such an inconsequential game :dunno:
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Barton might be the best example of being held back, like Tince said, but he's also a counter-example. Again... Stotts got players to out-perform expectations by around year 3, regardless of how he handled their game minutes early on. Barton fits that trend, as well. "Put him in the game, coach!" and development aren't always the same thing.

Where it gets weird for me is, Stotts made young guys earn his trust, but veterans could do nothing to lose it.
 
Idog1976 said:
His turn-around fade away is certainly Kobe/Jordanesque. We will see if he can do it in a real game. I have super, SUPER high expectations for this kid. He has it all, just needs to put in the work and put it together. I LOVE his pace and feel for the game. So smooth, so coordinated, such a freak athlete. I'm beyond stoked!
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It’s true! He’s a “natural” basketball player. I’ve seen this with Kobe more than any other player. He’s very smooth and it stands out amongst the other nine players on the floor - he’s in another dimension if you will. With Dame and Chauncey as teachers and even a peer in Ant - boy, we may have landed the next real superstar player!
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
It’s true! He’s a “natural” basketball player. I’ve seen this with Kobe more than any other player. He’s very smooth and it stands out amongst the other nine players on the floor - he’s in another dimension if you will. With Dame and Chauncey as teachers and even a peer in Ant - boy, we may have landed the next real superstar player!
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Pretty in-depth scouting report based on a clip or two
 
I think his game this week will help us a lot. I think he'll be a bit raw, and disappointing, but I won't be disappointed in his game/ability/future, etc.

The issue is, you can look good in practice (or highlights edited to make you look good) because unlike a game, practices don't tend to have the same vibe as a real game.

He does look promising, and it almost looks like it comes too easy for him. But that's against competition that isn't necessarily the best.

He does have a lot going for him though. He's not skinny as hell (like Simons was), he already looks like the game has "slowed down" for him and people who are experts in this field are high on him.

Is he a superstar? I don't know. He could be, but he also could just be a regular starter too.

Game 1 can't come quick enough though. At least it'll have some new footage.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Pretty in-depth scouting report based on a clip or two
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Everyone's making predictions that could be ridiculous at some point.
Like those "grading the draft" videos. Nobody knows how good any of these guys will be, but seem to pretend their opinion is fact.
 
AmirIcon said:
I remember this. Way to psychologically fuck your young guy's head up. Stotts was awful. No wonder why nobody wants to hire him as a head coach.
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You can't possibly know Stott's reasoning for that unless you were on the team though.
For example, maybe it was his way to test Hezonja and see if he could hang.

It's easy to judge from 100 miles away.
 
I expect Sharpe to have flashes but I don’t expect him to come in and light it up I would be shocked. I don’t care who you are it takes time to find your game after not playing for a year. Hopefully everyone has some patience
 
SlyPokerCat said:
You said Elleby seemed like he had a better feel for the game than Simons.

Stop trying to call people out all the time. You say stupid shit all the time.
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handiman said:
Barton might be the best example of being held back, like Tince said, but he's also a counter-example. Again... Stotts got players to out-perform expectations by around year 3, regardless of how he handled their game minutes early on. Barton fits that trend, as well. "Put him in the game, coach!" and development aren't always the same thing.

Where it gets weird for me is, Stotts made young guys earn his trust, but veterans could do nothing to lose it.
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He just told Ant to pass the ball to Melo. Made Nassir sit in the corner. Agreed. Playing time isn't enough and isn't the same as actually developing a player. Maybe if Meyers had a different coach he could have been competent. Alas we'll never know.
 
C_note said:
You can't possibly know Stott's reasoning for that unless you were on the team though.
For example, maybe it was his way to test Hezonja and see if he could hang.

It's easy to judge from 100 miles away.
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The reasoning is irrelevant. It was a bad decision. Fortunately for my point, he hasn't been hired as a coach since which probably tells you something. Only a jackoff would play career journeymen over your 1st round pick who was the #1 guy in his high school class.

You're right. It is super easy to judge from 100 miles away. Would probably be even easier from a thousand.
 
We have actual quotes from Nas highlighting how he's finally empowered now by his coach because he has a clear role. Same with Ant who was made into a spot up shooter with Stotts and nothing more. This isn't really a debate that Terry did not prioritize their development.
 
AmirIcon said:
He just told Ant to pass the ball to Melo. Made Nassir sit in the corner. Agreed. Playing time isn't enough and isn't the same as actually developing a player. Maybe if Meyers had a different coach he could have been competent. Alas we'll never know.
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Meyers was competent by year 3 (Memphis series and near-historic shooting percentages for the year), then he plateaued like I already mentioned.

Nas and And became significantly better than their draft stock. Stotts has to get some credit for that, even if you don't care for how he utilized them. Just because they prefer playing for Billups, doesn't mean Stotts didn't develop them.
 
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