Blazers trade for Afflalo and Alonzo Gee

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he is this yr - what's to argue?

Do you not understand sample size at all?

I guess Cody Zeller and Chris Anderson are the best 3 point shooters in the league. Shooting 100% and 75% respectively.

Victor Claver is shooting 54.5% from 3. That's better than Kyle Korver! Looks like we just made a big mistake....
 
good post from another board:

"it's been brought up before, but there is the possibility that Afflalo won't opt out. If he doesn't, then he can negotiate a new contract in the off-season that the salary cap is scheduled to take a huge jump up...maybe to 90 million. The equivalent MLE under that new cap would be around 7.7 million.

even if he does opt out, the Blazers will hold his full bird rights so they can re-sign him and he becomes a viable option in case Matthews gets a huge offer."
 
Do you not understand sample size at all?

I guess Cody Zeller and Chris Anderson are the best 3 point shooters in the league. Shooting 100% and 75% respectively.

Victor Claver is shooting 54.5% from 3. That's better than Kyle Korver! Looks like we just made a big mistake....
why can't you admit even on an average yr Gee's shooting is way better than THIS YEARS version of Nic, it is not a big deal, let it go
 
Do you not understand sample size at all?

I guess Cody Zeller and Chris Anderson are the best 3 point shooters in the league. Shooting 100% and 75% respectively.

Victor Claver is shooting 54.5% from 3. That's better than Kyle Korver! Looks like we just made a big mistake....
Not to rain on your parade but Batum plays more minutes, has way more shot attempts and has play in way more games than the players you are using.

This season's sample size is legit for now. You can't ignore Batum has been our weakest link for the starters right now. I would believe even Batum would agree.
 
I think we'll either sign Afflalo or Wes long-term. I would choose Wes, but I'm glad we're probably going to have at least 1 one of them
 
I think we'll either sign Afflalo or Wes long-term. I would choose Wes, but I'm glad we're probably going to have at least 1 one of them
 
Not to rain on your parade but Batum plays more minutes, has way more shot attempts and has play in way more games than the players you are using.

This season's sample size is legit for now. You can't ignore Batum has been our weakest link for the starters right now. I would believe even Batum would agree.

Yes, that was the whole point, to show that Gee's three point % is deceiving. He's only shot 24 threes this entire season, Nic has shot 204. Make Gee shoot 204 threes, and watch his % tank into the 20s.

I'm not even arguing for Batum, he's had a shitty season, but he's still better than Gee.
 
Guys I'm still in awe about this trade. I really can't believe Olshey pulled this off. We are actually two deep in every position now!
 
good post from another board:

"it's been brought up before, but there is the possibility that Afflalo won't opt out. If he doesn't, then he can negotiate a new contract in the off-season that the salary cap is scheduled to take a huge jump up...maybe to 90 million. The equivalent MLE under that new cap would be around 7.7 million.

even if he does opt out, the Blazers will hold his full bird rights so they can re-sign him and he becomes a viable option in case Matthews gets a huge offer."

Huge point(s), Olshey knew what he was doing.
 
Not to rain on your parade but Batum plays more minutes, has way more shot attempts and has play in way more games than the players you are using.

This season's sample size is legit for now. You can't ignore Batum has been our weakest link for the starters right now. I would believe even Batum would agree.

good point and both Afflalo and Gee played on a lousy Denver team, how made wide open 3's has Nic clanked time after time? I wonder how well those guys might shoot the 3 when that wide open?
 
Not to rain on your parade but Batum plays more minutes, has way more shot attempts and has play in way more games than the players you are using.

This season's sample size is legit for now. You can't ignore Batum has been our weakest link for the starters right now. I would believe even Batum would agree.

good point and both Afflalo and Gee played on a lousy Denver team, how made wide open 3's has Nic clanked time after time? I wonder how well those guys might shoot the 3 when that wide open?
 
Peltons Insider grade of our trade

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12347998/nba-blazers-get-wing-depth-arron-afflalo

Portland Trail Blazers: B

In the midst of an arms race in the West, until this morning the Blazers were the only team between 2-6 in the conference whose roster was unchanged from the start of the season. Upgrades elsewhere forced Portland to make a move to keep up, and a wing reserve was the obvious target. The Blazers hoped C.J. McCollum would step into that role, but he's been too inconsistent offensively to lock it down.

Barton, Allen Crabbe and Dorell Wright all got turns, never providing Terry Stotts with a satisfying solution. Portland's wing problem was exacerbated by Nicolas Batum slumping as he plays through a sprained wrist. Because the other alternatives were so weak, the Blazers never had the luxury of giving Batum an extended break to rest. The addition of Afflalo makes that a possibility.

More likely, Portland will be able to cut Batum's minutes slightly, which might be necessary to find enough time for Afflalo. (He'll also play some of the minutes Steve Blake had been playing alongside Damian Lillard in a small backcourt.) Because he's primarily a shooting guard rather than a player who splits time at the wing spots, Afflalo isn't an ideal fit. But he and starting shooting guard Wesley Matthews are both physical enough to defend most small forwards, and I'd expect the Blazers to play them together for extended stretches when Batum is on the bench.

Afflalo's rep is as a 3-and-D player, but he shoots long 2s and isn't really that good a defender.
That's an interesting pairing because Matthews and Afflalo are probably each other's best comp in the league. They both love posting up (per Synergy Sports, they rank fourth and fifth in points scored off post-ups among guards this season) and are dangerous 3-point threats (Matthews 39.5 percent career, Afflalo 38.4 percent career, though just 33.7 percent his season).

The biggest statistical difference between Afflalo and Matthews is that Afflalo has tended to shoot more long 2s, and it will be interesting to see if that changes in Portland. That could boost Afflalo's TS%, which has been up and down over the course of his career. Beyond that, Afflalo has acquired a 3-and-D reputation without ever rating well defensively by most advanced stats. He ranks 53rd on defense among shooting guards in ESPN's real plus-minus this season (Matthews is 13th, and surprisingly McCollum ranks 12th). Despite his poor RPM, Afflalo is unquestionably an upgrade at a point where even a small one could be the difference between having home-court advantage in the first round or not.

If Afflalo's presence ultimately swings a playoff series, it's worth giving up a future first-round pick. That's the gamble the Blazers are taking, because they could lose Afflalo to free agency this summer. If Matthews, LaMarcus Aldridge and Robin Lopez re-sign, Portland will be butting up against the luxury tax, which could make paying Afflalo unjustifiable. For that matter, Afflalo might simply want to go somewhere else he could start. On the plus side, having Afflalo's Bird rights does give the Blazers some flexibility should Matthews leave via free agency.

I'd be curious to know which side insisted on a 2016 first-round pick (lottery protected in both 2016 and 2017, at which point it converts to second-round picks). The lottery protection limits Portland's downside risk, but their 2016 pick will probably be better than this year's, and trading a future pick means the Blazers won't be able to trade their 2017 first-rounder until after the 2016 draft. So their options will be somewhat limited in terms of trading picks going forward.
 
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Guys I'm still in awe about this trade. I really can't believe Olshey pulled this off. We are actually two deep in every position now!

This is awesome, man. I woke up about a half an hour ago, and I was wide awake in about 30 seconds when I saw this. I was pumpin' my fist going "ATTA BOY NEIL!" ... Amazing. Lets hope this works out, for sure.
 
Yes, that was the whole point, to show that Gee's three point % is deceiving. He's only shot 24 threes this entire season, Nic has shot 204. Make Gee shoot 204 threes, and watch his % tank into the 20s.

I'm not even arguing for Batum, he's had a shitty season, but he's still better than Gee.

I agree about Gee... But I'm also interested in how Gee performs when the offensive flow isn't helter skelter like the nuggets were. Most of his shots will come in rhythm and in sure Stotts will tell him to fire away when open.
 
Yes, that was the whole point, to show that Gee's three point % is deceiving. He's only shot 24 threes this entire season, Nic has shot 204. Make Gee shoot 204 threes, and watch his % tank into the 20s.

I'm not even arguing for Batum, he's had a shitty season, but he's still better than Gee.

I agree about Gee... But I'm also interested in how Gee performs when the offensive flow isn't helter skelter like the nuggets were. Most of his shots will come in rhythm and in sure Stotts will tell him to fire away when open.
 
Guys I'm still in awe about this trade. I really can't believe Olshey pulled this off. We are actually two deep in every position now!

This is awesome, man. I woke up about a half an hour ago, and I was wide awake in about 30 seconds when I saw this. I was pumpin' my fist going "ATTA BOY NEIL!" ... Amazing. Lets hope this works out, for sure.
 
Yes, that was the whole point, to show that Gee's three point % is deceiving. He's only shot 24 threes this entire season, Nic has shot 204. Make Gee shoot 204 threes, and watch his % tank into the 20s.

I'm not even arguing for Batum, he's had a shitty season, but he's still better than Gee.

I agree about Gee... But I'm also interested in how Gee performs when the offensive flow isn't helter skelter like the nuggets were. Most of his shots will come in rhythm and in sure Stotts will tell him to fire away when open.
 
Man, Denver must really be tanking. Afflalo is legit, and we gave up nothing.
 
I wonder if Neil has an idea if Afflalo will opt in. Pretty big risk to give up a pick next season if he just walks at the end of the season.
 
I'm not sure why we didn't get an A+? We turned a low first rounder and 3 players that didn't fit and had hardly any playing time for a starting caliber wing?
 
Don't know if anyone said this yet in here, but hopefully this could put to rest that tired and often repeated cliche on trades that if you're hearing about it, it's already dead
 
Great trade! Brightens the day when we really needed it!
 
Sounds like pretty good deal when you can trade three nickels for a quarter and a penny.
 
So now let's sign Tayshaun... then

McCollum = Poor mans Lillard
Afflalo = Poor mans Wesley
Prince = Grandpa Batum
 
I wonder if Neil has an idea if Afflalo will opt in. Pretty big risk to give up a pick next season if he just walks at the end of the season.

Well CJ's agent is Afflalo's agent. I know it's not legal, but I'm sure Olshey has this agent's number in his Rolodex
 
So now let's sign Tayshaun... then

McCollum = Poor mans Lillard
Afflalo = Poor mans Wesley
Prince = Grandpa Batum

Could you imagine?!?! We've said it here so many times regarding the similarities of Prince and Batum. Prince would need only 10 minutes a game behind Batum, with Matthews or Afflalo taking the rest. Cut Batum's minutes to 28 or even sit him out a bit to heal if his wrist is still not okay.

Btw... Sometimes having a legit back up player will light a fire under the starter's ass to perform better. Friendly competition is a damn good thing!
 
Afflalo gives us insurance if Wes decides to bolt (he won't).
 
So now let's sign Tayshaun... then

McCollum = Poor mans Lillard
Afflalo = Poor mans Wesley
Prince = Grandpa Batum

I don't know if I agree that Afflalo is a poor man's Wesley. They're pretty comparable actually.
 
Good Trade for both teams. If I were them I'd trade one of their PFs in the offseason and re-sign TRob.
 
I really want to see Wes and AA and playing together effectively. Because I want to sign both this summer.
I am not concerned about Nic, he will mesh with AA just as well as he does with Wes. But if there are enough minutes to go around to keep all three happy I think it will make a very solid rotation.

How about an end of game line up of LA, Nic, AA, Wes and Dame. Against perimeter teams like GS it may be effective.
 
I really want to see Wes and AA and playing together effectively. Because I want to sign both this summer.
I am not concerned about Nic, he will mesh with AA just as well as he does with Wes. But if there are enough minutes to go around to keep all three happy I think it will make a very solid rotation.

How about an end of game line up of LA, Nic, AA, Wes and Dame. Against perimeter teams like GS it may be effective.
be nice to give Nic a rest to see if that wrist can heal better
 
Afflalo and Gee must feel like it's Christmas after playing for the bus station of the league this season. Denver is stockpiling undersized power forwards like Phoenix stockpiled guards
 
I guess I feel like giving up 4 guys is too much for Afflalo.

Sure, TRob and Will didn't fit our team, and are probably better off on a bad team where they can show off their individual skills.
But I would have liked to keep Kersey and Claver. Smart, hardworking players.

barfo

That is Claver, but come on Barfo!?!?
 
I can't wait to hear him try and pronounce Afflalo every game.
Uh-follow probably.

Aflac for the win though! :)

If he has a bad game, whoever the Afflalo hater turns out to be will probably go with "Off-LOL".

You're welcome.
 
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