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The Blazers trade #7 for?

  • Multiple picks - keep one, trade one for Grant

  • Multiple picks - keep one, trade one for Collins

  • Down to #11 and get Randle

  • Down to #17 and get Wood

  • Include #7 with Nurk (S&T) for Ayton

  • OG Anunoby

  • Plus other assets to move up

  • Other - please specify

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Interesting note from KOC on the Simmons pod yesterday where he reiterated the noise about Portland's involvement in some of these rumors:

the noise is coming FROM Portland.

After a decade of secrecy, it appears some of our new people in the FO have loose lips.

Whether the leaks deliberate or otherwise is unclear. But there's definitely more fodder for those of us who hang onto every rumor.
 
illmatic99 said:
Interesting note from KOC on the Simmons pod yesterday where he reiterated the noise about Portland's involvement in some of these rumors:

the noise is coming FROM Portland.

After a decade of secrecy, it appears some of our new people in the FO have loose lips.

Whether the leaks deliberate or otherwise is unclear. But there's definitely more fodder for those of us who hang onto every rumor.
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As with seemingly EVERYTHING ELSE around the Cronin era, this could be purposeful to try to drive bidding wars, communicate to players that they're wanted here, etc., OR, a harbinger of an effectively rudderless ship... Feels like between the deadline and this offseason, we'll know pretty quickly what kind of GM Cronin is...
 
glazeduck said:
As with seemingly EVERYTHING ELSE around the Cronin era, this could be purposeful to try to drive bidding wars, communicate to players that they're wanted here, etc., OR, a harbinger of an effectively rudderless ship... Feels like between the deadline and this offseason, we'll know pretty quickly what kind of GM Cronin is...
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i think i already have an idea what kind of GM he is, and it aint good. Think you might have more faith in him than me. I need to see more.
 
RR7 said:
I've been around here long enough to know you could say anything, and someone is going to argue it.

Powell was never a full time starter until he came here. And he started out of position. Better served for a bench role.
Nance has started generally due to I juries as well. Not a normal starter.

So I'd say 2 starters
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correct. WM simply insists on framing the deadline deal in the most negative fashion in order to have an excuse to constantly dump his doom & gloom into the forum

besides that, if Portland gave up 3 starters, they got back one in Hart, who is a better starting SG than Powell is a starting SF or RoCo is a starting PF. And, Winslow has started a higher percentage of his NBA games than Nance has. So, if Portland gave up 4 starters, they got back 2
 
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Scouring some other teams' forums, these ideas were brought up:

- ATL : Collins + 16 for 7 + Winslow. (can we actually do this on draft day?)

- NYK: Three team with Sac

- POR gets Randle + 11.
- NYK gets 4 + Bledsoe
- Sac gets 7 + future first(s) from NY.​
 
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with respect to Cronin...has anybody seen or heard what kind of salary was involved in his 4 year contract? I'm wondering if the deal might be low enough that a buyer for the team wouldn't see it as enough of an obstacle to use it for leverage. I mean, if the average GM salary is 7M and Cronin is working for 1.5M, firing him with 2-3 years left on his deal is no thang
 
wizenheimer said:
with respect to Cronin...has anybody seen or heard what kind of salary was involved in his 4 year contract? I'm wondering if the deal might be low enough that a buyer for the team wouldn't see it as enough of an obstacle to use it for leverage. I mean, if the average GM salary is 7M and Cronin is working for 1.5M, firing him with 2-3 years left on his deal is no thang
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Cronin might have been cheap and they're also saving $ by not having a PoBO above him. But I can almost guarantee you Schmitz and possibly Oliva were not cheap. They were fairly big names in the industry who left high-profile roles to join Cronin's team. That can't have been easy to achieve without opening up the wallet.
 
illmatic99 said:
Scouring some other teams' forums, these ideas were brought up:

- ATL : Collins + 16 for 7 + Winslow. (can we actually do this on draft day?)
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they are both under contract next season so it should be a legal trade. it could happen right now
 
illmatic99 said:
Cronin might have been cheap and they're also saving $ by not having a PoBO above him. But I can almost guarantee you Schmitz and possibly Oliva were not cheap. They were fairly big names in the industry who left high-profile roles to join Cronin's team. That can't have been easy to achieve without opening up the wallet.
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maybe then Cronin has limits to his decision making power with the other two guys having nearly as much influence as Cronin?
 
illmatic99 said:
Scouring some other teams' forums, these ideas were brought up:

- ATL : Collins + 16 for 7 + Winslow. (can we actually do this on draft day?)

- NYK: Three team with Sac

- POR gets Randle + 11.
- NYK gets 4 + Bledsoe
- Sac gets 7 + future first(s) from NY.​
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Atlanta trade doesn't work without Bledsoe's contract going out as well.

The Sac/NY trade feels too good for NYK. But I could see it. I'd love to get Burks from NYK as well.
 
illmatic99 said:
Scouring some other teams' forums, these ideas were brought up:

- ATL : Collins + 16 for 7 + Winslow. (can we actually do this on draft day?)

- NYK: Three team with Sac

- POR gets Randle + 11.
- NYK gets 4 + Bledsoe
- Sac gets 7 + future first(s) from NY.​
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We couldn't do it currently. We'd have to send Bledsoe out.
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe then Cronin has limits to his decision making power with the other two guys having nearly as much influence as Cronin?
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Then who is the decision maker these 3 effectively report to? I don't see Jody being that involved, so I guess Burt at Vulcan.

I'm just guessing but I'd think Cronin is in charge of all of them and his salary is at least 3-4 million. A new 2-3 billion owner wouldn't care about paying that or just putting a Prez above him.
 
blazerkor said:
Wouldn't his partial guarantee have to be made fully guaranteed before he could be traded, since it's after the trade deadline?
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No. Only has to be guaranteed enough to make it a legal trade.
Since he'd be going into Portland's TPE - Atlanta would not 'need' any of his contract to be guaranteed.
 
illmatic99 said:
Burks' contract is really ugly. I'd rather use our MLE/BAE for a real point guard.
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Burks makes $10M a year. He's a better player than most on a MLE level contract, and under-rated as a player.

He's a perfect backup at the 2/3
 
illmatic99 said:
Scouring some other teams' forums, these ideas were brought up:

- ATL : Collins + 16 for 7 + Winslow. (can we actually do this on draft day?)

- NYK: Three team with Sac

- POR gets Randle + 11.
- NYK gets 4 + Bledsoe
- Sac gets 7 + future first(s) from NY.​
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In the second deal our pick should not be involved. Knicks are unloading a contract they don't want.
 
Hawks CEO tries to shut down Collins to POR rumors but reveals he's clueless about some of our contracts and the basics of the CBA.

https://soaringdownsouth.com/2022/06/10/atlanta-hawks-executive-sounds-off-trade-rumors-starts-bull/

But Mike Bell wasted little time asking about the rumor from Fischer of Collins going to the Portland Trail Blazers for the seventh-overall pick.

Koonin treated that rumor as such.

“Let me break this down. We have unsubstantiated rumors from unnamed people about an unnamed trade. And how does the seventh pick equivocate to a $25 million player when trades have to offset money?”

The Hawks’ top executive put the exclamation point on his stance.

“I would say it starts with bull and ends with…”

He continued by explaining that, right now, the rumors are mostly smoke. But that could soon change.

“This doesn’t get real serious until, probably, Monday of draft week. There’s a lot of hypotheses.”
 
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