Blazers trade the #7 pick for.....?

[PtldPlatypus]

Does Bledsoe straight up work? Feels like we’d have to add someone else.

For the 22-23 season, they're only 4.2M apart (19.3M vs 23.5M)--close enough to match straight up. For 21-22 they're 4.9M apart, but still close enough.

 

[Scalma]

For the 22-23 season, they're only 4.2M apart (19.3M vs 23.5M)--close enough to match straight up. For 21-22 they're 4.9M apart, but still close enough.

so would they have to guarantee Bledsoe’s contract?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

so would they have to guarantee Bledsoe’s contract?

Yes--that's about the only way it would work.

 

[illmatic99]

There's too much collins noise... Think the haggling will be over the involvement of 16, but the 7 for collins framework seems real.

 

[Scalma]

There's too much collins noise... Think the haggling will be over the involvement of 16, but the 7 for collins framework seems real.

It’s also lying season. That info is out there for a reason. Maybe the actual target is someone else, like OG. They are another team interested in Daniels allegedly

 

[illmatic99]

It’s also lying season. That info is out there for a reason. Maybe the actual target is someone else, like OG.

think i like the idea of 7 + extras for Collins + 16 better than 7 for OG.

underlying point though... none of these targets are all that awe-inspiring. im torn between just keeping 7 and making these moves.

 

[blazerkor]

There's too much collins noise... Think the haggling will be over the involvement of 16, but the 7 for collins framework seems real.

I might just be being a homer but I don't think Collins, especially given the fact that he was being so heavily shopped and isn't quite producing to his contract, justifies the 7th pick and the 16th pick would have to be included. Yeah they're still having to take on Bledsoe's contract next season but they're getting out from under the rest of Collins's money (~83M). So, moving up 9 picks and getting future cap relief is very likely going to be far better than any other offer they're going to get. No one has a TPE big enough to just absorb his contract and unless OKC is after him, no one else can absorb his contract into cap space unless they're planning on waiting for free agency and a lopsided trade.

I mean there could be haggling about us getting their second rounder or them getting ours or a future second but I think Bledsoe and 7 for Collins and 16 is about as sensible as a trade gets. His production has been going the wrong way the last three seasons and he hasn't been the model of health. If anything I would say that the deal is on the table for us and we're trying to see if we can get more out of the 7th pick than that.

 

[illmatic99]

This gives ATL the immediate capspace they might want to go after someone like Ayton, while picking up Trent.

 

[julius]

This gives ATL the immediate capspace they might want to go after someone like Ayton, while picking up Trent.

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hold on, the Blazers give up Bledsoe, #7, their 2nd this year, and a future 1st?

That would be a monumental fleecing.

 

[illmatic99]

hold on, the Blazers give up Bledsoe, #7, their 2nd this year, and a future 1st?

That would be a monumental fleecing.

fleecing for what team?

thought that was pretty fair. We'd have our roster set for the near future.

Dame/Ant/OG/Collins/Nurk, with Hart and Nas off the bench. We'd still have our full MLE to play with as well.

 

[julius]

fleecing for what team?

thought that was pretty fair. We'd have our roster set for the near future.

Dame/Ant/OG/Collins/Nurk, with Hart and Nas off the bench. We'd still have our full MLE to play with as well.

Portland gives up a contract, a 1st round, a 2nd round and a future 1st round, for arguably the two of the three best players in the scenario.

And they basically give 1 roster spot.

 

[RR7]

This gives ATL the immediate capspace they might want to go after someone like Ayton, while picking up Trent.

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Gallinari is only guaranteed for like 5 million next year. Does shedding 11 million that Atlanta sheds here actually get them significant cap space?

 

[illmatic99]

Portland gives up a contract, a 1st round, a 2nd round and a future 1st round, for arguably the two of the three best players in the scenario.

And they basically give 1 roster spot.

i genuinely don't understand your gripe?

- we give up all our assets for guys who fit the team.
- there is a rumor today from SI that mentions Toronto being interested in Gobert, and that they'd potentially give up Trent + OG to get him.
- there is a rumor today from Jake that mentions Ainge being previously interested in Capela. Utah not only gets long term cap savings by getting rid of Gobert's deal but they get a guy Ainge has targeted in the past and #7.
- ATL has been rumored everywhere to be one of the teams interested in finding a guard next to Trae. They get Trent in the deal while also picking up future assets. But the main appeal for ATL is opening up enough space to land Ayton who they have been linked to.


Not sure why you're incredulous?

 

[illmatic99]

Gallinari is only guaranteed for like 5 million next year. Does shedding 11 million that Atlanta sheds here actually get them significant cap space?

not enough space to land Ayton. Given their capholds, not entirely sure this idea gets them there either.

 

[julius]

i genuinely don't understand your gripe?

- we give up all our assets for guys who fit the team.
- there is a rumor today from SI that mentions Toronto being interested in Gobert, and that they'd potentially give up Trent + OG to get him.
- there is a rumor today from Jake that mentions Ainge being previously interested in Capela. Utah not only gets long term cap savings by getting rid of Gobert's deal but they get a guy Ainge has targeted in the past and #7.
- ATL has been rumored everywhere to be one of the teams interested in finding a guard next to Trae. They get Trent in the deal while also picking up future assets. But the main appeal for ATL is opening up enough space to land Ayton who they have been linked to.


Not sure why you're incredulous?

Because Portland is giving out 1 real asset in the trade, the #7 pick.

The 2nd rounder? Big deal. A future 1st? Could be good, could be crap.

Bledsoe? He's a contract, nothing more.

Portland gives up diddily squat and gets Collins AND OG?

They'd be fleecing the other teams.

 

[illmatic99]

Because Portland is giving out 1 real asset in the trade, the #7 pick.

The 2nd rounder? Big deal. A future 1st? Could be good, could be crap.

Bledsoe? He's a contract, nothing more.

Portland gives up diddily squat and gets Collins AND OG?

They'd be fleecing the other teams.

what team is getting fleeced in my idea?

 

[julius]

what team is getting fleeced in my idea?

You're missing the point. Portland benefits a TON, and gives up almost nothing.

It would never happen, not on this or any other planet where humanoid life appears.

 

[julius]

Also, I'd say the Jazz and the Hawks get fleeced, and realistically, the Raptors don't do that great either.

 

[illmatic99]

You're missing the point. Portland benefits a TON, and gives up almost nothing.

It would never happen, not on this or any other planet where humanoid life appears.

well, we were just on the other end of it in February when we gave up a bunch of players for so called flexibility. this is just using that flexibility to fill out the roster again. and if you can't even pinpoint the single team that is getting "fleeced," not sure why you seem to have a problem with the idea.

 

[julius]

well, we were just on the other end of it in February when we gave up a bunch of players for so called flexibility. this is just using that flexibility to fill out the roster again. and if you can't even pinpoint the single team that is getting "fleeced," not sure why you seem to have a problem with the idea.

ok, I'll change the word I used.

Portland gets laughed at for giving up so little and getting so much in return. It's not a realistic trade, and Portland would be laughed at and hung up on by the teams that are receiving their goods in return.

Especially Atlanta. And Utah wouldn't accept that trade. And I would argue that the Raptors are the only team that would contemplate this trade scenario (other than Portland, who would jump at the chance to give up 4 non roster assets to get 2 starters)

 

[blazerkor]

This gives ATL the immediate capspace they might want to go after someone like Ayton, while picking up Trent.

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If we come away from this off-season with OG, Collins and everyone that's currently on the roster I will be very hopeful. That's two 24 year olds who have already proved that they can produce at a really high level in the league and there would be no reason to think that there isn't significant upside to the best we've seen out of them.

That being said is Toronto willing to leave their cupboard completely bare at shooting guard for Gobert? That's the only team I could see having a legitimate problem with this trade.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

ok, I'll change the word I used.

Portland gets laughed at for giving up so little and getting so much in return. It's not a realistic trade, and Portland would be laughed at and hung up on by the teams that are receiving their goods in return.

Especially Atlanta. And Utah wouldn't accept that trade. And I would argue that the Raptors are the only team that would contemplate this trade scenario (other than Portland, who would jump at the chance to give up 4 non roster assets to get 2 starters)

Capela and the 7 for Gobert is a good deal for the Jazz.

I would agree that the Hawks seem to be giving up a lot here, given that they don't save a ton here since (as @RR7 mentioned) Gallo is only guaranteed for 5M.

The Blazers' part in a deal like this would be to facilitate the other teams getting what they want. But I don't think the Hawks quite do here.

 

[illmatic99]

ok, I'll change the word I used.

Portland gets laughed at for giving up so little and getting so much in return. It's not a realistic trade, and Portland would be laughed at and hung up on by the teams that are receiving their goods in return.

Especially Atlanta. And Utah wouldn't accept that trade. And I would argue that the Raptors are the only team that would contemplate this trade scenario (other than Portland, who would jump at the chance to give up 4 non roster assets to get 2 starters)

every single one of the scenarios has been rumored. I think the Hawks would need a bit more, but it's a start.

 

[julius]

every single one of the scenarios has been rumored. I think the Hawks would need a bit more, but it's a start.

rumors don't mean shit.

 

[blazerkor]

ok, I'll change the word I used.

Portland gets laughed at for giving up so little and getting so much in return. It's not a realistic trade, and Portland would be laughed at and hung up on by the teams that are receiving their goods in return.

Especially Atlanta. And Utah wouldn't accept that trade. And I would argue that the Raptors are the only team that would contemplate this trade scenario (other than Portland, who would jump at the chance to give up 4 non roster assets to get 2 starters)

I don't know if the seventh and thirty sixth picks in this draft, a future first and a TPE that we've put a lot of value on is giving up so little that we'd get laughed at but getting OG and Collins for that would be a pretty phenominal haul. I think most GMs around the league just want to get better while keeping future draft assets. The only GM that might not be is Masai... I don't know if he's getting enough back to leave a gaping hole at SG.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If we come away from this off-season with OG, Collins and everyone that's currently on the roster I will be very hopeful. That's two 24 year olds who have already proved that they can produce at a really high level in the league and there would be no reason to think that there isn't significant upside to the best we've seen out of them.

That being said is Toronto willing to leave their cupboard completely bare at shooting guard for Gobert? That's the only team I could see having a legitimate problem with this trade.

OK, we'll send them Keon Johnson.

 

[wizenheimer]

rumors don't mean shit.

has anyone ever analyzed that phrase for logic?

 

[illmatic99]

Capela and the 7 for Gobert is a good deal for the Jazz.

I would agree that the Hawks seem to be giving up a lot here, given that they don't save a ton here since (as @RR7 mentioned) Gallo is only guaranteed for 5M.

The Blazers' part in a deal like this would be to facilitate the other teams getting what they want. But I don't think the Hawks quite do here.

i dunno. i'd think turning Capela and Collins into Trent, future assets, and near max capspace would be OK. Maybe need to send Keon + Watford/Brown their way.

 

[GrandpaBlaze]

If we come away from this off-season with OG, Collins and everyone that's currently on the roster I will be very hopeful. That's two 24 year olds who have already proved that they can produce at a really high level in the league and there would be no reason to think that there isn't significant upside to the best we've seen out of them.

Talent upgrade yes. However, key question is how much they will play?

Collins since his rookie season has missed 21, 41, 19 & 28 games in each of the subsequent year.
OG the last two years has missed 39 & 34 games.

I don't mind the talent upgrade but talent you can't count on using isn't very helpful.

There is much talk about how good Nas could possibly be if only he could stay healthy. The games he has played the past two years corresponds almost exactly with OG. Do you want to trade away picks to get guys that will, in theory, make the team better but are not necessarily going to actually plan enough games to make the difference we hope?

Obviously I am not a huge fan of giving away picks for players that may be waving towels from the bench while sitting next to Keljin Blevins.

 

[Freshtown]

Talent upgrade yes. However, key question is how much they will play?

Collins since his rookie season has missed 21, 41, 19 & 28 games in each of the subsequent year.
OG the last two years has missed 39 & 34 games.

I don't mind the talent upgrade but talent you can't count on using isn't very helpful.

There is much talk about how good Nas could possibly be if only he could stay healthy. The games he has played the past two years corresponds almost exactly with OG. Do you want to trade away picks to get guys that will, in theory, make the team better but are not necessarily going to actually plan enough games to make the difference we hope?

Obviously I am not a huge fan of giving away picks for players that may be waving towels from the bench while sitting next to Keljin Blevins.

I swear, if Blevins is on the team next season…