Game Thread Blazes vs Spurs game 3 Summer League

[Boob-No-More]

yeah, seems like there are better guys not on rosters then him, can

LOL. I had to chuckle but you may have a pt!

Go back and watch video of Meyers as a rookie and in summer league. He was raw as fuck and awkward, but he did not shy away from contact like a delicate flower.

Now Layman, in his second summer league has a case of the yips and can't even make a fucking free throw.

Maybe rather than coddle these guys and tell them they are special, we should hire a former military drill sergeant to whip them into shape.

You saw the difference in these approaches on display today. Has Gregg Popovich ever coddled a player - EVER? No, he calls out his superstars when he thinks they need a kick in the ass.

The NBA is a man's game. This isn't some kick and chase soccer league with halftime snacks and participation trophies. We don't need a "performance psychologist". We need someone to hold these guys accountable so they will hold themselves accountable. How many times have we heard Meyers say he thought he played well, or is making progress, when the exact opposite is true? How many times have we heard him try to blame others and deflect criticism? He's just repeating what he's been told.

Fuck that. Fire the "performance psychologist". The touchy, fealy, kumbaya approach isn't working. Use the money you save to hire an actual fucking big man coach and let Nurk and Swanigan show these guys how it's done. You think those guys need some fucking "performance psychologist" to telling them how special they are?

If we insist on having a "performance psychologist" on the staff, hire Nurk's dad.

BNM

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Pinwheel1]

Very disappointing? He was a second round pick. We can't be expecting that much from him lol

I personally am disappointed because I was hoping for more. Just another example of how athletic ability is useless without a solid jumper.

 

[tlongII]

All I can say is I'm glad I stayed at the pool today. I had tickets for the game but it was just way too comfortable in the pool. The scenery was outstanding.

 

[ripcityboy]

Unfortunately, Layman has a guaranteed contract.

BNM

Fuck!

 

[Boob-No-More]

All I can say is I'm glad I stayed at the pool today. I had tickets for the game but it was just way too comfortable in the pool. The scenery was outstanding.

Pics or it didn't happen!

BNM

 

[Driew]

I personally am disappointed because I was hoping for more. Just another example of how athletic ability is useless without a solid jumper.

I'm not panicking too much with Layman right now. It's summer league and our guard play is complete shit. If his jumper still is shaky after this season then I'll probably hop on the disappointment wagon.

 

[Trackjack]

Well tonight they will find who they play and what time more likely Collins will be out.

 

[tlongII]

Pics or it didn't happen!

BNM

Can't do that. I don't want these gals to think I'm a creepy old man. Even though it's true.

 

[Trackjack]

I'm not panicking too much with Layman right now. It's summer league and our guard play is complete shit. If his jumper still is shaky after this season then I'll probably hop on the disappointment wagon.

I don't like to say but he hasn't look good these last two games.

 

[santeesioux]

Layman could still be a throwaway in a Houston/NY trade, hold out hope!

 

[Driew]

I don't like to say but he hasn't look good these last two games.

That's because he's doing things he normally wouldn't be asked to do during a regular season. I'm just not putting much stock in these summer league games--I know it's all we really have to evaluate him unfortunately.

 

[andalusian]

Layman, like Pat C were featured scorers on this summer league team. That's never going to be their game in the NBA. They are the "Oops, we forgot this guy was on the floor while we were concentrating on Dame/CJ/Nurk" guys - and they need to hit the open shot (PatC) or cut on the open lane (JaLay).

We know that PatC can be a shooter at the NBA level when this happens (we already seen it). I suspect that JaLay will be able to do the other - he has enough athletic ability to do that. That's all you really want from these guys, realistically.

 

[tester551]

That's because he's doing things he normally wouldn't be asked to do during a regular season. I'm just not putting much stock in these summer league games--I know it's all we really have to evaluate him unfortunately.

We have some NBA time & the D-League time for him too. Outside of his first 10-minutes of action, he's looked like garbage (regardless of the setting).

 

[tlongII]

That's because he's doing things he normally wouldn't be asked to do during a regular season. I'm just not putting much stock in these summer league games--I know it's all we really have to evaluate him unfortunately.

I've seen him brick wide open shots. I think he would normally be asked to make those.

 

[noknobs]

To me, Jake has shown that he can get his shot off, and that he is a good defender. But, you can't consistently shoot 1/x and be a player at any level.

I remember Allen Crabbe and how bad he shot his first year at summer league and how bad he shot his first two seasons in the NBA. We kept hearing about how great a shooter he was in practice but in games it wasn't happening. Some young guys just get in their own heads and they lose confidence, then they start trying to hard, except shooting is not about how hard you try but about your rhythm/confidence. I think Layman actually is a good shooter, and it sounds like he's definitely putting in the work. I'm not going to write him off after three stupid summer league games.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm not panicking too much with Layman right now. It's summer league and our guard play is complete shit. If his jumper still is shaky after this season then I'll probably hop on the disappointment wagon.

How many bricks does this guy have to lay before you're ready to admit he's just not a good shooter? I posted this yesterday, before today's 1-9 gem:

Layman, on the other hand, looks like Victor Claver 2.0. Looks like a basketball player, supposedly a great shooter in practice, but can't hit shit in a game - any game. Other than his miracle first 8 minutes, he has shot like shit in garbage time, in the D League and now the summer league. Even if you include his 6-8 debut he shot .255 3FG% as a rookie. Other than that one first game, since Nov. 1 last year he has shot:

NBA:
8 for 44 3FG
.182 3FG%

D League:
12 for 53 3FG
.226 3FG%

Summer League:
2 for 11 3FG
.182 3FG%

Total:
22 for 108 3FG
.204 3FG%

And it's not like he hasn't had his chances. He shoots early and often, he has good form and appears to shoot with confidence - he certainly doesn't hesitate. The ball just does't go in the basket.

BNM

 

[BBert]

No sense complaining about the 12th and 13th guys on the roster. They are practice fodder who know the offense and defense

 

[Driew]

I've seen him brick wide open shots. I think he would normally be asked to make those.

I've seen those too--he's pressing is what I'm trying to explain. He's got too much on his plate in these games and he's pressing--nothing looks relaxed it all looks rushed. He looked fine during the season (to some degree) when asked to chill around the three point line and slash here and there.

 

[Driew]

I remember Allen Crabbe and how bad he shot his first year at summer league and how bad he shot his first two seasons in the NBA. We kept hearing about how great a shooter he was in practice but in games it wasn't happening. Some young guys just get in their own heads and they lose confidence, then they start trying to hard, except shooting is not about how hard you try but about your rhythm/confidence. I think Layman actually is a good shooter, and it sounds like he's definitely putting in the work. I'm not going to write him off after three stupid summer league games.

Thank you! We forget how young these guys are and not all players can be like Dame lol

 

[Pinwheel1]

Layman, like Pat C were featured scorers on this summer league team. That's never going to be their game in the NBA. They are the "Oops, we forgot this guy was on the floor while we were concentrating on Dame/CJ/Nurk" guys - and they need to hit the open shot (PatC) or cut on the open lane (JaLay).

We know that PatC can be a shooter at the NBA level when this happens (we already seen it). I suspect that JaLay will be able to do the other - he has enough athletic ability to do that. That's all you really want from these guys, realistically.

I totally agree with this reasoning and why I have been supportive of Jake up until now. But at some point he needs to show he can hit a wide open 3. Beautiful stroke but i think he uses too much arc...same on his free throws.

The deadline to cut Pat's contract is in a few days. I think he is gone .....

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Can't do that. I don't want these gals to think I'm a creepy old man. Even though it's true.

They know.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I remember Allen Crabbe and how bad he shot his first year at summer league and how bad he shot his first two seasons in the NBA.

Crabbe shot .429 3FG% as a rookie and .353 3FG% (league average) his second season. He has never been a below average 3-point shooter.

I'm not going to write him off after three stupid summer league games.

But, it's more than just three summer league games. Other than his first miracle 8 minutes, Layman has shot like shit during garbage time of the regular season, in D League and in summer league. He's a combined 22 for 110 from down town since November 1 of last year. That's exactly .200 3FG%. That's way worse than Evan Turner and even worse than Andre Miller. And, it's all come against inferior competition.

BNM

 

[andalusian]

The deadline to cut Pat's contract is in a few days. I think he gone .....

If he is - this means they have someone they are going to sign imho. Terry played him a lot more than I expected last year. I suspect they like him a lot more than he showed in this summer league, but that's just my interpretation.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[H.C.]

I remember being called for travel at his age making the same move he does.

 

[noknobs]

Crabbe shot .429 3FG% as a rookie and .353 3FG% (league average) his second season. He has never been a below average 3-point shooter.

But, it's more than just three summer league games. Other than his first miracle 8 minutes, Layman has shot like shit during garbage time of the regular season, in D League and in summer league. He's a combined 22 for 110 from down town since November 1 of last year. That's exactly .200 3FG%. That's way worse than Evan Turner and even worse than Andre Miller. And, it's all come against inferior competition.

BNM

Oh come on. Crabbe shot a total of 14 3's his entire rookie season. This is when someone says, "Sample size". I see you've decided to complete dismiss Layman's best shooting game from three. I do the same for Crabbe and he shot 4/12 from three his rookie year. So I'm not seeing a compelling argument. Stats aside, you can't tell me that this board didn't criticize his shooting to no end the first few years. Layman hasn't even started his 2nd season. Maybe he's a bust, I don't know that yet.

 

[Trackjack]

Is other part of his game that I am talking about. I don't worry to much about his shooting. If not making shots what other things are you bringing to the table. What I have seen there not much and to be as athletic he is than you got a problem. He hasn't play very good D and he hasn't rebound well and he has made bad decision on his passing.

 

[Pinwheel1]

If he is - this means they have someone they are going to sign imho. Terry played him a lot more than I expected last year. I suspect they like him a lot more than he showed in this summer league, but that's just my interpretation.

Or they keep a spot open for players to compete in fall camp. The have done that in the past.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Oh come on. Crabbe shot a total of 14 3's his entire rookie season. This is when someone says, "Sample size". I see you've decided to complete dismiss Layman's best shooting game from three. I do the same for Crabbe and he shot 4/12 from three his rookie year. So I'm not seeing a compelling argument. Stats aside, you can't tell me that this board didn't criticize his shooting to no end the first few years. Layman hasn't even started his 2nd season. Maybe he's a bust, I don't know that yet.

In the post I made yesterday, I mentioned even if you include that first game Layman shot .255 from 3-point range as a rookie. He also shot .226 3FG% in the D League and is now shooting .154 3FG% in the summer league. That's a total sample size of 118 shots - more than Allen Crabbe attempted in his first two NBA season's combined.

Don't accuse me of playing the small sample size card when you're the one that mentioned Crabbe shot poorly his rookie year. Yes, the sample size was small, but you're the one who brought it up, not me.

BNM