Politics 'Blue Card' Bill

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[dviss1]

Too much like logic for Yertle to bring it to the floor for a vote.

 

[Chris Craig]

Too much like logic for Yertle to bring it to the floor for a vote.

 

[Chris Craig]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Not in favor of this. Keep them as migrant workers

 

[dviss1]

Not in favor of this. Keep them as migrant workers

What y'all fail to understand is that the wall PREVENTS this. It prevents what's called Circular Migration.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

What y'all fail to understand is that the wall PREVENTS this. It prevents what's called Circular Migration.

Woukd rather have tech and skilled workers get these versus labor and farm work.

 

[dviss1]

Woukd rather have tech and skilled workers get these versus labor and farm work.

This statement is full of ignorance. Our farmers NEED them.

You gonna pick beans? Cut Christmas trees? Process Lettuce?

Do you like Lettuce?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This statement is full of ignorance. Our farmers NEED them.

You gonna pick beans? Cut Christmas trees? Process Lettuce?

Do you like Lettuce?

I'll pay extra.

 

[dviss1]

I'll pay extra.

Your side is clueless and full of it when it comes to immigration.

It's full of racism. Straight up.

 

[Lanny]

I'll pay extra.

You're going to have to pay a hell of a lot extra if you don't want migrant farm workers picking your produce.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You're going to have to pay a hell of a lot extra if you don't want migrant farm workers picking your produce.

How much does Canada pay for shit they don't have a shitload of illegals

 

[Lanny]

How much does Canada pay for shit they don't have a shitload of illegals

Nearly 25% of Canada's workers are immigrants.
https://www.cicnews.com/2017/11/imm...kforce-new-data-shows-119895.html#gs.LnYAoNuv

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Nearly 25% of Canada's workers are immigrants.
https://www.cicnews.com/2017/11/imm...kforce-new-data-shows-119895.html#gs.LnYAoNuv

These are usually legal immigrants. They don't have a border where a 3rd world country and people run across.

I know there are tons of filipino nurses in Canada. Its skilled labor.

 

[Lanny]

These are usually legal immigrants. They don't have a border where a 3rd world country and people run across.

I know there are tons of filipino nurses in Canada. Its skilled labor.

Show me the figures.
There are tons of Filipino nurses in the U.S. I've got three that I know of, that take care of me at the VA here in Portland.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Show me the figures.
There are tons of Filipino nurses in the U.S. I've got three that I know of, that take care of me at the VA here in Portland.

All my relatives move there first because they cant get to the US as easily.

http://www.inscol.com/philippines/b...n-canada-nursing-programs-for-filipino-nurses

 

[Spud147]

I'll pay extra.

I don't know how much you know about dairy farming but you have to milk the cows 2 times a day, 365 days a year. No holidays/no vacations. It's so labor intensive the most Oregon dairy farmers (and I'm assuming in other states) provide housing on site so their laborers are always available for work at a moments notice. They're basically "on call" 24 hours a day. It's grueling minimum wage work and, in Oregon, there's even a little loop hole in the labor law that allows you to work your farm laborers more than 10 hours/day, 40 hours/week without paying any OT.

But you enjoy you're $20 gallon of milk!

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't know how much you know about dairy farming but you have to milk the cows 2 times a day, 365 days a year. No holidays/no vacations. It's so labor intensive the most Oregon dairy farmers (and I'm assuming in other states) provide housing on site so their laborers are always available for work at a moments notice. They're basically "on call" 24 hours a day. It's grueling minimum wage work and, in Oregon, there's even a little loop hole in the labor law that allows you to work your farm laborers more than 10 hours/day, 40 hours/week without paying any OT.

But you enjoy you're $20 gallon of milk!

I buy $20 probiotic yogurt so no big deal.

Don't really drink milk.

Bullet proof coffee yo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I buy $20 probiotic yogurt so no big deal.

Don't really drink milk.

Bullet proof coffee yo

You eat cheese right? What do you think $20 milk is going to do to the price of cheese?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

You eat cheese right? What do you think $20 milk is going to do to the price of cheese?

At my level?

Not much. I can do all imported. I buy small amounts of expensive cheese.

 

[Lanny]

I buy $20 probiotic yogurt so no big deal.

Don't really drink milk.

Bullet proof coffee yo

All dairy products will grow astronomically including yogurt.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

All dairy products will grow astronomically including yogurt.

Oh no, I really don't care. Gas prices and other stuff affects me more. Food? Not so much.

If a head of romaine is 5 bucks, doesn't matter to me. 10 bucks? It lasts a week for me, big deal. I have a low carbon footprint so day to day expenses are low.

 

[Spud147]

Oh no, I really don't care. Gas prices and other stuff affects me more. Food? Not so much.

If a head of romaine is 5 bucks, doesn't matter to me. 10 bucks? It lasts a week for me, big deal. I have a low carbon footprint so day to day expenses are low.

Do you eat in restaurants? What about Lattes? It's all going up.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Do you eat in restaurants? What about Lattes? It's all going up.

I usually do my coffee at home. Cold brew is my favorite.

There are many countries without cheap mexican labor and its not so bad, price wise. Where is there $20 a gallon milk or places that are double the price of America?

 

[Spud147]

I usually do my coffee at home. Cold brew is my favorite.

There are many countries without cheap mexican labor and its not so bad, price wise. Where is there $20 a gallon milk or places that are double the price of America?

$20 gallon is just pulled out of my head, the point I was trying to make is the price will go up exponentially... and that will have a huge ripple effect. It will increase the price of baked goods, overhead in coffee shops, cheap fast food (say good bye to the dollar menu), and so on. Some people would be willing to pay more but others will be priced out. With less demand you need less bakers, restaurant workers, baristas, etc. You also need less milk delivery drivers both from the dairy to the processing plant and to retail customers. You will also need to increase public assistance to pay for food stamps and school lunches...................

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

$20 gallon is just pulled out of my head, the point I was trying to make is the price will go up exponentially... and that will have a huge ripple effect. It will increase the price of baked goods, overhead in coffee shops, cheap fast food (say good bye to the dollar menu), and so on. Some people would be willing to pay more but others will be priced out. With less demand you need less bakers, restaurant workers, baristas, etc. You also need less milk delivery drivers both from the dairy to the processing plant and to retail customers. You will also need to increase public assistance to pay for food stamps and school lunches...................

So every country absent cheap mexican labor has prices exponentially higher than the US?

 

[riverman]

So every country absent cheap mexican labor has prices exponentially higher than the US?

actually they do....people who haven't lived overseas much or at all think America is the whole fuckin' world....there are Mexicans and central americans and south americans all over the world.....you think Hondurans haven't escaped to Columbia or Argentina or Dominica? Canada is a very friendly country to immigrate to if you have about 150k in the bank...you get fast tracked there. Taiwanese have been moving there for a long time. Same with Greeks, Lebanese, etc....Canada has lots of immigrants. They have also taken in refugees...just like we used to. Non of this is a threat to your livelihood though...unless you plan a career mucking out dairy barns

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

actually they do....people who haven't lived overseas much or at all think America is the whole fuckin' world....there are Mexicans and central americans and south americans all over the world.....you think Hondurans haven't escaped to Columbia or Argentina or Dominica? Canada is a very friendly country to immigrate to if you have about 150k in the bank...you get fast tracked there. Taiwanese have been moving there for a long time. Same with Greeks, Lebanese, etc....Canada has lots of immigrants. They have also taken in refugees...just like we used to. Non of this is a threat to your livelihood though...unless you plan a career mucking out dairy barns

Talking about cheap labor. Automation will make many people useless. Its shortsighted to think that having a large number of unskilled labor in the country will end well when that happens.

 

[Spud147]

So every country absent cheap mexican labor has prices exponentially higher than the US?

Other countries don't have to deal with the FDA. Maybe they don't have the same food safety requirements and they may have the benefit of cheaper labor from other countries. We also have a massive country land mass wise and have to get dairy products out to rural areas. I don't know which countries you're specifically referring to so it's hard for me to say. I'm definitely not an expert of the international dairy industry. I do know that we've seen dairy farmers going out of business out here quite a bit in recent years because their profit margins are already so low.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Other countries don't have to deal with the FDA. Maybe they don't have the same food safety requirements and they may have the benefit of cheaper labor from other countries. We also have a massive country land mass wise and have to get dairy products out to rural areas. I don't know which countries you're specifically referring to so it's hard for me to say. I'm definitely not an expert of the international dairy industry. I do know that we've seen dairy farmers going out of business out here quite a bit in recent years because their profit margins are already so low.

Canada doesnt have a massive land mass? How much is milk there?