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HCP said:
You would honestly not watch the NBA anymore because of a little patch on a uni? I guess you would, because you don't watch other teams games right? I would think if people were really fans of the game itself, something like this doesn't even register.
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Thank you. I don't understand these people. Do you watch for the love of the game and being interested in the sport or what?

I can't stand fickle fans. I could care less what's on the uniform I watch for the love of the game
 
HCP said:
You would honestly not watch the NBA anymore because of a little patch on a uni? I guess you would, because you don't watch other teams games right? I would think if people were really fans of the game itself, something like this doesn't even register.
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The NBA is a joke. It's a show. It's theater. No other pro sport has the kind of star treatment that the NBA encourages. The only hope is to one day acquire a star that garners the kind of special treatment that a LeBron, or Durant, or Harden gets from the refs.

The patches are just another example of how the NBA doesn't give a shit about the game. Only money.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Soccer teams need ads on their jerseys.

Race teams need ads on their cars/motorcycles, etc.

There are some sports that are totally justifiable in having ads on their uniforms or vehicles, but the NBA/NFL/MLB do NOT need it. They have tons of revenue from commercials.
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The NBA is the only sport that has pre determined stoppages in play to run commercial timeouts. Even saw this shit when I played low level college ball. Pretty ridiculous.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The NBA is a joke. It's a show. It's theater. No other pro sport has the kind of star treatment that the NBA encourages. The only hope is to one day acquire a star that garners the kind of special treatment that a LeBron, or Durant, or Harden gets from the refs.

The patches are just another example of how the NBA doesn't give a shit about the game. Only money.
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Then stop watching it and stop commenting on an NBA teams forum
 
GrandJury said:
Real talk stop watching the NBA then if you don't like it
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I don't watch the NBA. I have zero interest in any team that's not the Blazers.

I love basketball. I love the Blazers. I can't stand the NBA. My passion for the NBA has diminished to basically the bare minimum, but I used to be a huge fan. They have completely lost me outside of hoping that the Blazers someday win something.
 
BonesJones said:
The NBA is the only sport that has pre determined stoppages in play to run commercial timeouts. Even saw this shit when I played low level college ball. Pretty ridiculous.
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How is this a bad thing?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't watch the NBA. I have zero interest in any team that's not the Blazers.

I love basketball. I love the Blazers. I can't stand the NBA. My passion for the NBA has diminished to basically the bare minimum, but I used to be a huge fan. They have completely lost me outside of hoping that the Blazers someday win something.
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To each his own. Shit we are the COMPLETE opposite. I watch close to 100 LIVE games every year. Record 4 or 5 games a night I slam thru when I get off work when the family is asleep. Record and watch college games, summer league, EURO league games. I've been watching the 3X3 and The Basketball Tournement games this whole summer. Then it starts all over again with preseason.

That said, the only other sports I watch is college football and Timbers games. Hoops is a passion for me. Only basketball I don't think I watch is women's hoops. Tried, just hurts to watch!
 
Look at the jerseys for my hometown in France...

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A patch, one add on each leg of the short and a bigass one right in the middle.
I think I can put up with a little patch in the NBA.

Oh look, that's my boy Frank !
 
HCP said:
How is this a bad thing?
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It's a bad thing because they spend 3 minutes at the 6 minute mark for commercials. Let the teams call timeouts. And if you're going to pre-plan commercial breaks to maximize revenue at the expense of your viewers (which I'm okay with), at least don't throw an advertising patch on a uniform. That's just doubling down on greediness. I'm expecting their to be advertising billboards all around the court like there is in Europe in 5 years.

The thing I don't like about the NBA in general is that it's promoted in a way that promotes being a casual fan over a die-hard fan. They're the only sport that does that shit. They do it with the over-emphasis on triple doubles, the constant coverage of a select few teams/players at expense of others, (hell, LaMelo fucking Ball is more well known than over half the players in the NBA), the analysts and "experts" are some the least knowledgeable about their sport, and a ton of coverage this off-season has been about Lebron going to the Lakers next year. Superstars get "superstar treatment", which isn't much of a thing in other sports (except for the "Brady rules"). Half of the headlines the other day on ESPNs "NBA" section was about Lavar Ball and his high school AAU team. This is the type of shit that caters to casual fans. A casual fan isn't going to care about a jersey patch, but a die-hard, traditional fan will. Die-hard, traditional fans are the lifeblood of the NBA, and are the one's that buy a lot of gear, season-tickets, and watch every game. These fans give the NBA the most of it's revenue, and a lot of them live in small markets. However, the NBA and the media shits on these types of fans in favor of the casual fans. The NBA acts like their traditional, die-hard fans don't matter, when in reality, those fans are the reason the NBA is what it is.
 
BonesJones said:
It's a bad thing because they spend 3 minutes at the 6 minute mark for commercials. Let the teams call timeouts. And if you're going to pre-plan commercial breaks to maximize revenue at the expense of your viewers (which I'm okay with), at least don't throw an advertising patch on a uniform. That's just doubling down on greediness. I'm expecting their to be advertising billboards all around the court like there is in Europe in 5 years.

The thing I don't like about the NBA in general is that it's promoted in a way that promotes being a casual fan over a die-hard fan. They're the only sport that does that shit. They do it with the over-emphasis on triple doubles, the constant coverage of a select few teams/players at expense of others, (hell, LaMelo fucking Ball is more well known than over half the players in the NBA), the analysts and "experts" are some the least knowledgeable about their sport, and a ton of coverage this off-season has been about Lebron going to the Lakers next year. Superstars get "superstar treatment", which isn't much of a thing in other sports (except for the "Brady rules"). Half of the headlines the other day on ESPNs "NBA" section was about Lavar Ball and his high school AAU team. This is the type of shit that caters to casual fans. A casual fan isn't going to care about a jersey patch, but a die-hard, traditional fan will. Die-hard, traditional fans are the lifeblood of the NBA, and are the one's that buy a lot of gear, season-tickets, and watch every game. These fans give the NBA the most of it's revenue, and a lot of them live in small markets. However, the NBA and the media shits on these types of fans in favor of the casual fans. The NBA acts like their traditional, die-hard fans don't matter, when in reality, those fans are the reason the NBA is what it is.
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Preach
 
The NBA in the 90s was at its absolute peak.... and then they mortgaged the game for higher scores and better ratings. They changed the rules and they emphasized superstar treatment, beginning with Shaq and the Lakers.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The NBA in the 90s was at its absolute peak.... and then they mortgaged the game for higher scores and better ratings. They changed the rules and they emphasized superstar treatment, beginning with Shaq and the Lakers.
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It'll hurt the NBA once this current TV deal is over. Yes, casual fans will watch a lot of "superstar matchups" on national TV, but the NBA doesn't make anywhere close to the money off of them as the do die-hard fans. Losing one die-hard fan is like losing ten casual fans, because the casual fan will sit at home and watch a couple game a week on TV (to see Westbrook play against Lonzo and the Warriors play against the Rockets, etc.), while the average die-hard fan will pay hundreds of dollars a year on tickets, pay $70-$100 on a jersey, pay $200 for NBA League Pass, as well as watch some nationally televised games. While the NBA makes more money off of bigger markets, they're less important, as those markets have more casual fans that will never lose interest in the NBA. The NBA is making the mistake of catering to these markets when these markets (New York, Los Angeles, Miami, etc.) have the least potential to cause a decline in the average annual income of the NBA. Fans of these teams won't get tired of catering to superstars, greedy advertising, specified over-coverage of a few different players/teams. Yes, there's die-hard fans in big markets, but they won't have a problem with the NBA covering their team less, or anything the NBA may do.

The one's who are going to have a problem is Bucks fans, Blazer fans, Utah fans, etc. I'm starting to see die-hard fans get frustrated with the direction the NBA is going, and I think that they'll slowly stop spending a ton of money on tickets, and jerseys (even though ad patches won't be on fan-bought jerseys, I think they'll affect sales), and other factors. The NBA will lose a ton of money as it's die-hard fans get tired of supporting a product that doesn't cater to them, that doesn't care about them, and that doesn't have the parity to give them hope in their team competing in a championship (because the answer to superteams is to form more superteams in big markets, which the media perpetrates, such as "Lebron and PG13 going to LA to play with Lonzo").

The next TV deal will be lower because the NBA will lose more fans in total, but that won't be the biggest hit. The NBA will have to rely even more on the TV deal than before, but I think the media is already regretting the TV deals they've struck with the NBA. The next TV deal will be lower, and with the parity problem combined with the way the NBA is being marketed, there will be less die-hard fans willing to spend a ton of money on the NBA, and the NBA's salary cap will go down. There's a reason there wasn't a big bump in the salary cap this year that was thought to have happen a year ago. The salary cap will drop in a few years, and then the NBA will realize that their marketing plan doesn't work, and they'll have to fix the parity problem. They'll also realize that they need to alter it's playoff system, as playing 82 games for a seed between 1 and 8 waters down each game. The comparison I'll use is the MLB, which plays 162 games, and playoff spots often come down to a game or two. The big difference is, winning your division is meaningful, as you don't have to play a Wild Card game. If you don't win the division, you're battling just to make the playoffs, with the 4th or 5th spot being the difference in home-field advantage in a win-or-go-home 1 game playoff.

If the NBA had parity and cared about the collective product put together by all 30 of it's teams (the way baseball does), I'd pay $200 for NBA League Pass, and I'd watch a lot of other games on National TV. @HCP will respond with "But it's great players playing great basketball, why wouldn't you want to watch?". My response to that is that the NBA has made me have an aversion to other superstars beceause they overmarket them, and care more about the casual fan paying attention to a select group of stars than they do about the die-hard fans in small markets that supply them with more income. So why would I want to watch Westbrook play because he's great, when the NBA values the fan from Kentucky who's an "OKC" fan just because he geeks out over the collection of stats that is a triple double more than me, a guy who pays for tickets all the time hoping his "small" hometown team will overcome the big-market bias created my the NBA and who gives the NBA more of my money than the casual fan from Kentucky?

The NBA is broken. They're success is hitting a peak right now because social media has created a huge amount of casual fans and the die-hard fans from small markets aren't yet fed up with the NBAs bullshit. However, it's starting to turn, and the NBA is going to realize just how important die-hard fans from small markets are.
 
BonesJones said:
It'll hurt the NBA once this current TV deal is over. Yes, casual fans will watch a lot of "superstar matchups" on national TV, but the NBA doesn't make anywhere close to the money off of them as the do die-hard fans. Losing one die-hard fan is like losing ten casual fans, because the casual fan will sit at home and watch a couple game a week on TV (to see Westbrook play against Lonzo and the Warriors play against the Rockets, etc.), while the average die-hard fan will pay hundreds of dollars a year on tickets, pay $70-$100 on a jersey, pay $200 for NBA League Pass, as well as watch some nationally televised games. While the NBA makes more money off of bigger markets, they're less important, as those markets have more casual fans that will never lose interest in the NBA. The NBA is making the mistake of catering to these markets when these markets (New York, Los Angeles, Miami, etc.) have the least potential to cause a decline in the average annual income of the NBA. Fans of these teams won't get tired of catering to superstars, greedy advertising, specified over-coverage of a few different players/teams. Yes, there's die-hard fans in big markets, but they won't have a problem with the NBA covering their team less, or anything the NBA may do.

The one's who are going to have a problem is Bucks fans, Blazer fans, Utah fans, etc. I'm starting to see die-hard fans get frustrated with the direction the NBA is going, and I think that they'll slowly stop spending a ton of money on tickets, and jerseys (even though ad patches won't be on fan-bought jerseys, I think they'll affect sales), and other factors. The NBA will lose a ton of money as it's die-hard fans get tired of supporting a product that doesn't cater to them, that doesn't care about them, and that doesn't have the parity to give them hope in their team competing in a championship (because the answer to superteams is to form more superteams in big markets, which the media perpetrates, such as "Lebron and PG13 going to LA to play with Lonzo").

The next TV deal will be lower because the NBA will lose more fans in total, but that won't be the biggest hit. The NBA will have to rely even more on the TV deal than before, but I think the media is already regretting the TV deals they've struck with the NBA. The next TV deal will be lower, and with the parity problem combined with the way the NBA is being marketed, there will be less die-hard fans willing to spend a ton of money on the NBA, and the NBA's salary cap will go down. There's a reason there wasn't a big bump in the salary cap this year that was thought to have happen a year ago. The salary cap will drop in a few years, and then the NBA will realize that their marketing plan doesn't work, and they'll have to fix the parity problem. They'll also realize that they need to alter it's playoff system, as playing 82 games for a seed between 1 and 8 waters down each game. The comparison I'll use is the MLB, which plays 162 games, and playoff spots often come down to a game or two. The big difference is, winning your division is meaningful, as you don't have to play a Wild Card game. If you don't win the division, you're battling just to make the playoffs, with the 4th or 5th spot being the difference in home-field advantage in a win-or-go-home 1 game playoff.

If the NBA had parity and cared about the collective product put together by all 30 of it's teams (the way baseball does), I'd pay $200 for NBA League Pass, and I'd watch a lot of other games on National TV. @HCP will respond with "But it's great players playing great basketball, why wouldn't you want to watch?". My response to that is that the NBA has made me have an aversion to other superstars beceause they overmarket them, and care more about the casual fan paying attention to a select group of stars than they do about the die-hard fans in small markets that supply them with more income. So why would I want to watch Westbrook play because he's great, when the NBA values the fan from Kentucky who's an "OKC" fan just because he geeks out over the collection of stats that is a triple double more than me, a guy who pays for tickets all the time hoping his "small" hometown team will overcome the big-market bias created my the NBA and who gives the NBA more of my money than the casual fan from Kentucky?

The NBA is broken. They're success is hitting a peak right now because social media has created a huge amount of casual fans and the die-hard fans from small markets aren't yet fed up with the NBAs bullshit. However, it's starting to turn, and the NBA is going to realize just how important die-hard fans from small markets are.
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Shit, I'm going to start a thread with this.
 
I would be fine with patches on jerseys if there were a direct benefit to fans.

Jerseys are expensive, it's hard for many parents to drop $70 on an authentic Blazer jersey.

Blazers and the NBA should offer jerseys w/o the patch for full retail and jerseys w/ the patch for $20 less. The revenue received by teams for putting ads on jerseys should go directly to making "swag" more affordable for fans.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I would be fine with patches on jerseys if there were a direct benefit to fans.

Jerseys are expensive, it's hard for many parents to drop $70 on an authentic Blazer jersey.

Blazers and the NBA should offer jerseys w/o the patch for full retail and jerseys w/ the patch for $20 less. The revenue received by teams for putting ads on jerseys should go directly to making "swag" more affordable for fans.
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BonesJones said:
It's a bad thing because they spend 3 minutes at the 6 minute mark for commercials. Let the teams call timeouts. And if you're going to pre-plan commercial breaks to maximize revenue at the expense of your viewers (which I'm okay with), at least don't throw an advertising patch on a uniform. That's just doubling down on greediness. I'm expecting their to be advertising billboards all around the court like there is in Europe in 5 years.

The thing I don't like about the NBA in general is that it's promoted in a way that promotes being a casual fan over a die-hard fan. They're the only sport that does that shit. They do it with the over-emphasis on triple doubles, the constant coverage of a select few teams/players at expense of others, (hell, LaMelo fucking Ball is more well known than over half the players in the NBA), the analysts and "experts" are some the least knowledgeable about their sport, and a ton of coverage this off-season has been about Lebron going to the Lakers next year. Superstars get "superstar treatment", which isn't much of a thing in other sports (except for the "Brady rules"). Half of the headlines the other day on ESPNs "NBA" section was about Lavar Ball and his high school AAU team. This is the type of shit that caters to casual fans. A casual fan isn't going to care about a jersey patch, but a die-hard, traditional fan will. Die-hard, traditional fans are the lifeblood of the NBA, and are the one's that buy a lot of gear, season-tickets, and watch every game. These fans give the NBA the most of it's revenue, and a lot of them live in small markets. However, the NBA and the media shits on these types of fans in favor of the casual fans. The NBA acts like their traditional, die-hard fans don't matter, when in reality, those fans are the reason the NBA is what it is.
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In my opinion "die hard fans" watch every game possible regardless of who's playing. That's ME! I don't give a shit about those patches or commercial breaks. Pays the bills. Aside from that, to each his own. Sure seems like you and Nate have a lot of pent up hate towards basketball......why the hell do you even watch?
 
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