Breaking News: Blazers will not use Amnesty Clause on Brandon Roy

[THE HCP]

Kobe, Wade, Pierce all play defense all get their teamates involved and all have rings.... That's why Roy is not ever in the same conversation with those guys and he always be a second tier player... that and he has NO KNEES!!!!!

Pierce argument not fair, averaged like 25-30 wins a season for 10 years til the big trade.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

maybe but i remember he had to play like all five positions himself because he had a high school for a supporting cast which Roy does not!

 

[magnifier661]

maybe but i remember he had to play like all five positions himself because he had a high school for a supporting cast which Roy does not!

LMAO! I guess you weren't watching them were you? Pierce had two allstars in that ear of fortitude. Roy had 0. Oh and P.S. Roy with 0 allstars made it to the playoffs all but 1 year. Pierce needed two allstars to even make the playoffs.

 

[Ghost Pepper]

Ya mean Walker and ??? That team was made to sit in lawn chairs and shoot 3's... not much else...

I notice you're in a picute with Andre? How ya think Felton will do when he asked to walk up the court to support Roy? It might have made more sense to keep Dre for this type of play. We all know B Roys not leading any fast breaks!

 

[THE HCP]

What? You don't consider Ron Mercer an all-star?

 

[magnifier661]

I doubt anyone in this forum with disagree that Roy will most likely be amnesty'd this summer. The trick is now we won't have to sign anyone to a Max MLE; which means we will be well under cap to sign a free-agent at a better caliber than Landry. Sorry if the sky is falling for you. I take this as more of management taking a chance and not cashing in on Oden. If Oden can play and shows promise that his injuries are behind him; we can use the Amnesty money for him. In the end, you want action now and I want management to think this through. Thank God they aren't these wannabe GM's like myself and pretty much everyone else in this forum think they are.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I'm not talking about Drexler coming out of retirement to play for us.

At this point, I honestly think Clyde could take Roy off the dribble!

 

[magnifier661]

At this point, I honestly think Clyde could take Roy off the dribble!

OUCH!!!!!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No he did play better at center. That wasn't the point. My point was the toll it took on him physically for the duration of the season. Anyone that didn't see that is fooling himself. Be advised that I was a firm advocate of LMA at center last season. That was until the end of the season and the playoffs; when I saw how winded he was. Remember when him and Roy were on the podium after the miraculous game 4 performance. He said he was too tired to even speak. That says a lot.

That might've also been because he played 300 more minutes last year than the year before, and was the focal point of the offense for the majority of the year. But the point shouldn't be whether or not he's tired--the point should be whether the team plays better when he's there.

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011POR2.HTM

Of our 20 most used 5-man rotations last year, Aldridge played center in 11 of them. With him at the 5, we outscored our opponents by 277 points in 1132 minutes. With Camby or Przy, we were ahead 66 points in 1269 minutes.

In other words, with Aldridge at center, we had a +/- of 11.7 pts per 48 minutes. Umm...that's pretty darn good. If he can bring that, I say ride that horse until it collapses.

 

[magnifier661]

That might've also been because he played 300 more minutes last year than the year before, and was the focal point of the offense for the majority of the year. But the point shouldn't be whether or not he's tired--the point should be whether the team plays better when he's there.

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011POR2.HTM

Of our 20 most used 5-man rotations last year, Aldridge played center in 11 of them. With him at the 5, we outscored our opponents by 277 points in 1132 minutes. With Camby or Przy, we were ahead 66 points in 1269 minutes.

In other words, with Aldridge at center, we had a +/- of 11.7 pts per 48 minutes. Umm...that's pretty darn good. If he can bring that, I say ride that horse until it collapses.

I guess that's what I'm worried about. I think we did that with Roy and we lost a very great player. Personally, I would rather him have a good supporting cast and his minutes be reduced to 30-35 minutes a game. I think this all depends on GO. Roy, in my opinion, is a moot point. I think playing Roy this season is to show us fans that he can't ever get to where he once was, so an Amnesty will be an easier pill to swallow. Also, next summer we will have good cap to find a solid FA to build around LMA.

 

[oldmangrouch]

That might've also been because he played 300 more minutes last year than the year before, and was the focal point of the offense for the majority of the year. But the point shouldn't be whether or not he's tired--the point should be whether the team plays better when he's there.

http://www.82games.com/1011/1011POR2.HTM

Of our 20 most used 5-man rotations last year, Aldridge played center in 11 of them. With him at the 5, we outscored our opponents by 277 points in 1132 minutes. With Camby or Przy, we were ahead 66 points in 1269 minutes.

In other words, with Aldridge at center, we had a +/- of 11.7 pts per 48 minutes. Umm...that's pretty darn good. If he can bring that, I say ride that horse until it collapses.

This is why I would like to see the team bring in someone like Hayes. A line-up of LMA/Wallace/Batum is going to get beaten up on the boards.....and you can't run if you can't rebound. With an LMA/Hayes/Wallace line-up you have the toughness and rebounding to make the small-ball approach work.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Here's some simple questions? Does B Roy make his teamates better? Does he assist them? Does he play defens? Doe he ever look for their shots and mismatches or is he more concerned with his own stats?

Yes he makes his teammates better
Yes he assists them
Not much D last year, but before that yes when the game was on the line (like most players)
Yes he looks for their shots and mismatches
No he is not concerned with his stats. It took his teammates a year and half to get it through his head that he needed to shoot more. He is not a selfish player.

You are right that was simple.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I guess that's what I'm worried about. I think we did that with Roy and we lost a very great player. Personally, I would rather him have a good supporting cast and his minutes be reduced to 30-35 minutes a game. I think this all depends on GO. Roy, in my opinion, is a moot point. I think playing Roy this season is to show us fans that he can't ever get to where he once was, so an Amnesty will be an easier pill to swallow. Also, next summer we will have good cap to find a solid FA to build around LMA.

What good cap will we have?

 

[magnifier661]

What good cap will we have?

If Roy is Amnesty'd this summer; we should have around 12-15 million (not signing camby, resigning greg to around 8 mil a season, Wallace taking his option, Batum still having his rookie contract on the books). Maybe Storyteller can confirm.

EDIT: Salary with Roy's contract 50,637,000 without 34,277,980

 

[Mediocre Man]

If Roy is Amnesty'd this summer; we should have around 12-15 million (not signing camby, resigning greg to around 8 mil a season, Wallace taking his option, Batum still having his rookie contract on the books). Maybe Storyteller can confirm.

EDIT: Salary with Roy's contract 50,637,000 without 34,277,980

NBik will not be on his rookie contract any longer, and Wallace would be foolish to opt out of his deal. That being said, we can have cap space if we let Oden, Batum, Felton all walk and amnesty Roy. Trade Wallace and obviously let Camby go. Again though, cap space doesn't matter to teams like Portland because big name FA's don't normally want to come to Portland. Keeping assets and trading them for big name players with multi year contracts is how to go about it.

 

[magnifier661]

NBik will not be on his rookie contract any longer, and Wallace would be foolish to opt out of his deal. That being said, we can have cap space if we let Oden, Batum, Felton all walk and amnesty Roy. Trade Wallace and obviously let Camby go. Again though, cap space doesn't matter to teams like Portland because big name FA's don't normally want to come to Portland. Keeping assets and trading them for big name players with multi year contracts is how to go about it.

No that 34 mil is with Batum and Wallace still being on the books. Doesn't include Oden.

 

[Nikolokolus]

No that 34 mil is with Batum and Wallace still being on the books. Doesn't include Oden.

There's no way of calculating that figure until/unless Nic signs an extension and we hear the numbers

 

[magnifier661]

There's no way of calculating that figure until/unless Nic signs an extension and we hear the numbers

Why? An extension still has your rookie contract on the books, except it being a trade provision (Poison pill or something). So if he makes 3.1 million as the qualifying offer; wouldn't that make the new contract go into effect the following season? Or does the year before the QO apply? TO be honest, I don't know this.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why? An extension still has your rookie contract on the books, except it being a trade provision (Poison pill or something). So if he makes 3.1 million as the qualifying offer; wouldn't that make the new contract go into effect the following season? Or does the year before the QO apply? TO be honest, I don't know this.

I'm pretty sure the QO turns into an even bigger cap hold.

 

[Masbee]

NBik will not be on his rookie contract any longer, and Wallace would be foolish to opt out of his deal. That being said, we can have cap space if we let Oden, Batum, Felton all walk and amnesty Roy. Trade Wallace and obviously let Camby go. Again though, cap space doesn't matter to teams like Portland because big name FA's don't normally want to come to Portland. Keeping assets and trading them for big name players with multi year contracts is how to go about it.

Yes. The Blazers need to use players/contracts like Felton, Wallace, Camby, and Wes this year, and later extended Batum and Oden, as contract matches to facilitate trades. Angling for big cap space next summer is a losing plan IMO.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'm pretty sure the QO turns into an even bigger cap hold.

I think so.

 

[Draco]

I guess that's what I'm worried about. I think we did that with Roy and we lost a very great player. Personally, I would rather him have a good supporting cast and his minutes be reduced to 30-35 minutes a game. I think this all depends on GO. Roy, in my opinion, is a moot point. I think playing Roy this season is to show us fans that he can't ever get to where he once was, so an Amnesty will be an easier pill to swallow. Also, next summer we will have good cap to find a solid FA to build around LMA.

LaMarcus at center reminds me of Tim Duncan at center. It is clearly the most superior lineup the team can put on the floor but it isn't something you can run for 30+ minutes a night. Save it for the last 8 minutes of a game, and other stretches where you need some tempo. Likewise Wallace is awesome at PF for brief stretches, but neither guy can play those positions for the majority of their minutes in a game for an entire season.

 

[HailBlazers]

LaMarcus at center reminds me of Tim Duncan at center. It is clearly the most superior lineup the team can put on the floor but it isn't something you can run for 30+ minutes a night. Save it for the last 8 minutes of a game, and other stretches where you need some tempo. Likewise Wallace is awesome at PF for brief stretches, but neither guy can play those positions for the majority of their minutes in a game for an entire season.

Very well said. I prefer having LMA at the 4 so that he can save his energy on defense having more for the offensive end.

 

[Draco]

Yes. The Blazers need to use players/contracts like Felton, Wallace, Camby, and Wes this year, and later extended Batum and Oden, as contract matches to facilitate trades. Angling for big cap space next summer is a losing plan IMO.

Yeah I generally agree with this; cap space is over-rated for markets like ours that are not prime free agent destinations. Cap space is a huge asset for the New York, LA, Dallas, Miami areas since the elite all-stars want to be in those cities.

But even if cap space is less valuable to us than other teams it is still has some value, so if we can potentially be in a position to have cap space with only a small opportunity cost today I’m all for it. The downside of keeping Roy is we have a smaller MLE, but usually those players are less than 50/50 long-term in terms of having a worth equal to their contract. So maybe it will be for the best only having the small MLE now since we can't make a bad free agent signing.

Now the tough decisions are giving Batum an extension before the season or signing Oden for beyond one season. Those decisions have risk either way and could backfire if the team retains potential cap space and doesn’t lock up a young improving player, who may walk, or losses cap space by giving the player a long-term deal and is possibly stuck with an underperforming player.