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RR7 said:
Same! I wish the grocery store was paying me more for my baseball skills but, alas, NIL wasn't around, had to keep that eligibility open!
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Also I can't hit...
 
RR7 said:
Got no problem with this. It's the individuals own name, image, and likeness. You should be able to make money off of yourself if you desire.
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Parents too right? If they want to make money off their kids names, images, and likenesses. Lines can blur fast.

Eastoff said:
You'll never have to mow a lawn again!
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Case in point!
 
HailBlazers said:
Parents too right? If they want to make money off their kids names, images, and likenesses. Lines can blur fast.



Case in point!
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Ideally you have something in place to avoid parent exploitation. So it's not like child actors. Those are the hiccups you sort through while it's still allowed, instead of letting larger companies exploit it.
 
HailBlazers said:
Parents too right? If they want to make money off their kids names, images, and likenesses. Lines can blur fast.

Case in point!
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Parents are already doing this too... they're greasing the wheels with coaches, trainers, etc to get them on teams with "better exposure" in hopes they won't have to pay for their college. I've seen many parents force their kids to practice/work on their game far more than the kid want to or is healthy, so they can either get a scholarship or somtimes just so they can overcome their high school failures through their kid.

Money and benefits have already been exchanging hands in return for better players for at least two decades now. So do we want it to continue in the dark or start bringing some light to it?
 
Tince said:
I thought your point was that NIL is linked to "social media disease". If your only point was that great players will make money reardless, then we agree.

You're citing that all these bad things are currently happening, pre high-school NIL. You haven't provided any evidence that this new will be a net-negative. Could it have negatives to it? Of course. Most change does.
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The minds are still developing and impressionable. Emotional. We can agree to disagree but i see this as another set back in our youth.
All focused on an image instead of getting an education. All focused on getting social fame. Increased teen vanity. But most will be let down, some to the point of emotional devastation.
There is no long term good in this.
 
BlazerBender said:
The minds are still developing and impressionable. Emotional. We can agree to disagree but i see this as another set back in our youth.
All focused on an image instead of getting an education. All focused on getting social fame. Increased teen vanity. But most will be let down, some to the point of emotional devastation.
There is no long term good in this.
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I couldn’t disagree with you more. This is a fantastic opportunity for kids to get their first real look into the business side of sports. I love it.
 
THE HCP said:
I couldn’t disagree with you more. This is a fantastic opportunity for kids to get their first real look into the business side of sports. I love it.
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Let kids be kids. Let the parents handle the business side until they are 18.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Are dogs allowed to profit off of their name, image, and likeness?

Asking for myself.
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Only if the owner is a PETA member - otherwise, it all goes to enriching those that buy the dog food, pick up the poop, make sure you've been (especially you) neutered and so forth.
 
BlazerBender said:
Let kids be kids. Let the parents handle the business side until they are 18.
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Uh, beg to differ.

Back in the real old days (talking old-west), kids 14 and older were essentially considered adults and expected to work and act as such. Even young kids spent a lot of time working on the farm and had chores.

Letting kids be kids can also lead to less responsible adults as they haven't learned many of the realities of life.

I don't know if any of you know who JR Simplot was but he started the Simplot company when he left home at 14 (in the 1920s) to find his own way and ended up starting his own company and became a billionaire. That company (still private) now has 14,000 or so employees mostly in US & Australia but also in Canada, Mexico, Argentina, India, China, Japan, Korea, Malaysia and other places across the globe.

You can read a bit about JR Simplot on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Simplot

Sheltering kids from responsibility and the realities of life is a failure to teach and to train.

/end rant
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
Uh, beg to differ.

Back in the real old days (talking old-west), kids 14 and older were essentially considered adults and expected to work and act as such. Even young kids spent a lot of time working on the farm and had chores.

Letting kids be kids can also lead to less responsible adults as they haven't learned many of the realities of life.

I don't know if any of you know who JR Simplot was but he started the Simplot company when he left home at 14 (in the 1920s) to find his own way and ended up starting his own company and became a billionaire. That company (still private) now has 14,000 or so employees mostly in US & Australia but also in Canada, Mexico, Argentina, India, China, Japan, Korea, Malaysia and other places across the globe.

You can read a bit about JR Simplot on Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._Simplot

Sheltering kids from responsibility and the realities of life is a failure to teach and to train.

/end rant
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Working on a farm, building responsibilities, a skill and working the growing muscles is not the same as distracting an education to focus on how many people on social media like you.
Im all for educating children. This isnt education though.
Its a distraction from.
 
BlazerBender said:
The minds are still developing and impressionable. Emotional. We can agree to disagree but i see this as another set back in our youth.
All focused on an image instead of getting an education. All focused on getting social fame. Increased teen vanity. But most will be let down, some to the point of emotional devastation.
There is no long term good in this.
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I think we agree on a lot of the issues teens are facing today; we just disagree on what is good or bad for them.

It appears you believe why teens are impressionable we should exclude them from facing real world situation such as adversity, work ethic, failure, etc. to make sure they are not let down. Problem with that theory is when they go out on their own as an adult, they are totally unequiped to handle these exact situations. I believe exposing them to difficult situations in a controlled environment while still under adult supervision is the best thing for them, not the worst.

Regardless, the OSAA has made their decision.
 
Tince said:
I think we agree on a lot of the issues teens are facing today; we just disagree on what is good or bad for them.

It appears you believe why teens are impressionable we should exclude them from facing real world situation such as adversity, work ethic, failure, etc. to make sure they are not let down. Problem with that theory is when they go out on their own as an adult, they are totally unequiped to handle these exact situations. I believe exposing them to difficult situations in a controlled environment while still under adult supervision is the best thing for them, not the worst.

Regardless, the OSAA has made their decision.
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Not at all.

I think work ethic has derailed and needs to be back to a priority in teaching youth about expectations.
This, to me, does nothing but distract against it.
This will teach them nothing about real world skills needed to survive. Just another tech simulate that deters future generations from actually learning about a work ethic, physical labor, etc.

I fail to see how this will do anything but further distract youth from what really matters in life. Image is not and should not be a priority in teaching skills and work ethics.
 
"Hey you kids, get your name, image, and likeness off my lawn!"
 
SlyPokerDog said:
"Hey you kids, get your name, image, and likeness off my lawn!"
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You are thinking about this all wrong.

If they are getting paid for their name/image/likeness, then they should pay you for the having it on your lawn.

Think of it as modern day payola - they build their marketability/visibility and you get paid for helping them build it. :)
 
SlyPokerDog said:
"Hey you kids, get your name, image, and likeness off my lawn!"
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I care nothing about my lawn( its still brown and dead right now).
I do however care about the long term work ethic and skill set our youth seems to be losing. more kids know how to create an image than know how to replace a toilet or change a tire or build a fire.

Seriously concerning to me. Has nothing to do with a selfish lawn….
 
BlazerBender said:
I care nothing about my lawn( its still brown and dead right now).
I do however care about the long term work ethic and skill set our youth seems to be losing. more kids know how to create an image than know how to replace a toilet or change a tire or build a fire.

Seriously concerning to me. Has nothing to do with a selfish lawn….
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https://itsbigtime.org/
 
BlazerBender said:
I care nothing about my lawn( its still brown and dead right now).
I do however care about the long term work ethic and skill set our youth seems to be losing. more kids know how to create an image than know how to replace a toilet or change a tire or build a fire.

Seriously concerning to me. Has nothing to do with a selfish lawn….
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I guess I'm just struggling to see how giving kids the monetary rights to their name, image and likeness affects learning how to change a toilet.
 
RR7 said:
I guess I'm just struggling to see how giving kids the monetary rights to their name, image and likeness affects learning how to change a toilet.
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Change a toilet for a kid and they can shit for a day. Teach a kid how to change a toilet and they can shit for life!
 
RR7 said:
I guess I'm just struggling to see how giving kids the monetary rights to their name, image and likeness affects learning how to change a toilet.
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Time spent during the day. Ive said it before. Working on an image detracts from a quality education of actual things that impact life. We already struggle in the work force with unskilled youth labor. To me, this will just compound that.

I guess i fail to see especially, in todays economy, how this isn't a concern.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Change a toilet for a kid and they can shit for a day. Teach a kid how to change a toilet and they can shit for life!
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pretty much.
But hey. As long as i have an image online people are liking, I can find someone to do everything i never learned to do myself. Even the basics.
Oh but wait. Now, that someone is too busy to do the work i need done because.. they are too busy marketing their image online…
 
BlazerBender said:
Time spent during the day. Ive said it before. Working on an image detracts from a quality education of actual things that impact life. We already struggle in the work force with unskilled youth labor. To me, this will just compound that.

I guess i fail to see especially, in todays economy, how this isn't a concern.
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What do you mean by working on an image? This allows an athlete to get paid and not lose college eligibility in their sport.
I think it's worse to "train youth for the workforce" to be a cog in a machine than it is allowing a small number of youth to profit from who they are.
 
RR7 said:
What do you mean by working on an image? This allows an athlete to get paid and not lose college eligibility in their sport.
I think it's worse to "train youth for the workforce" to be a cog in a machine than it is allowing a small number of youth to profit from who they are.
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they need to creaTe the image to gain the fan base to support the payment. The great athletes have and will continue to get paid regardless. this just sets up a bunch of youth to put time and effort into an image to try to get paid to, in the end, not get paid.
 
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