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Minstrel said:
Hmm, what do you mean "not overpay?" If this were baseball, and contracts could be arbitrarily high, I'd completely agree. But the NBA caps salaries. Are you saying that you don't think Roy is worth the max?
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Precious few players are worth the max, in my opinion. Chris Paul and Derron Williams are probably the two who's value Roy is most closely connected with. They got maxed out, and look at the state of their teams now... Both franchises are desperate to shed salary. Now, this isn't necessarily the fault of Paul/Williams, but if you don't bet right on maxing players, I do believe you are more likely to end up in salary hell than in the NBA Finals.

LeBron, Kobe, and Wade, maybe Dwight Howard, are probably the only players in the league currently deserving of max contracts. Everyone else should be pro-rated down based on what percentage of that top level they can produce in terms of stats, selling tickets, moving merchandise, securing TV time, etc. The idea that the cornerstone of every team is a max player is a broken model.
 
PapaG said:
I never said he might be ready to hold out. I said he could hold out and demand a trade because, well, he could do that if he wanted to do that. No need to challenge me on things I never said, Minstrel.
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Your comments suggested it was a possibility. "Might" means possible, not certain. Had I said that you said Roy was going to hold out, I think you'd have me on grounds of building a strawman.
 
B-Roy said:
Chill, this situation isn't even true. It IS from Quick after all.
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Nice. Congrats on having 20:20 hindsight. Now, if you could only see into the future as well as you see into the past you could tell us mere mortals how this is all going to end.

BNM
 
Minstrel said:
I didn't mock you, I think you're flying off the handle. That is, I disagree with your approach on this one...I'm not making fun of it, as far as I'm concerned.
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I'm trying to figure out why you're posting to me in regards to an interview you couldn't even be troubled to listen to today.

Do you agree that offering 4 years is a good start to the Roy negotiations, because listening to Brandon, he clearly is confused at what is going on right now.
 
alex42083 said:
No one said he's going to hold out. But he said it's 50/50 that he'd sign an extension as of the moment, and he's a little "frustrated" by it. And he can't do any recruiting for FAs, and he doesn't know if he wants to if he doesn't know if he'll be around.
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Did Bosh recruit Hedo?

I think that Roy's grasping at straws because, to be perfectly honest, he's got very little to bargain with. He HAS to try to get public opinion against the Blazers if he wants to shake things up, and by NOT helping the Blazers sign free agents (if he really thinks recruiting would help and not recruiting would harm the team's chances) then he's potentially clearing more money for his own contract down the road.

I'm sure Roy's frustrated because he's impotent in this situation. All he can do is talk and posture and hope that he gets his money.

Next summer, when even the magnificent class of 2010 is not seeing much movement or many big contracts, he might be much more willing to sign a max four year deal... if the team is willing to do so.

Ed O.
 
handiman said:
The idea that the cornerstone of every team is a max player is a broken model.
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That's not my model. Randolph was once Portland's cornerstone, and I didn't think he was worth a max deal. Roy is a top-ten player in the league, in my opinion. I do think the ten best players (at least...that isn't a hard-and-fast cut-off) are worth max deals.

That said, I'm not particularly bothered by the Blazers running this like a business and negotiating. If Roy takes less, that may be helpful. I do think he deserves the max, though.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Nice. Congrats on having 20:20 hindsight. Now, if you could only see into the future as well as you see into the past you could tell us mere mortals how this is all going to end.

BNM
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I'm not personally attacking the posters who thought the story was false.

It just goes to show people will believe what they want to believe, regardless of where the stories are coming from.
 
Ed O said:
They just demonstrated they're willing to pay HEDO TURKOGLU a shitload of money... I don't think that free agents are going to be too worried about coming to Portland if the price is right.
They've re-signed Joel to a reasonable deal. They extended Webster. I don't think that in the current environment--where NO restricted free agents are getting even a sniff--players are so naive or simplistic to look at the Blazers' position and say anything other than "times are tough when even the BLAZERS are having to count their pennies".

Ed O.
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In other words, they'll treat players that may not play for the franchise better than they'll treat their franchise player. 4 years <<< 5 years. Way to go, KP! Pritchslapped!
 
Minstrel said:
That's not my model. Randolph was once Portland's cornerstone, and I didn't think he was worth a max deal. Roy is a top-ten player in the league, in my opinion. I do think the ten best players (at least...that isn't a hard-and-fast cut-off) are worth max deals.

That said, I'm not particularly bothered by the Blazers running this like a business and negotiating. If Roy takes less, that may be helpful. I do think he deserves the max, though.
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Why start at 4 years. I still want to hear an answer.
 
PapaG said:
I'm trying to figure out why you're posting to me in regards to an interview you couldn't even be troubled to listen to today.
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I didn't post to you. I asked nobody in particular what the particularly troublesome quote from Roy was. You got angry that I didn't listen to the quote and posted to me.

Do you agree that offering 4 years is a good start to the Roy negotiations, because listening to Brandon, he clearly is confused at what is going on right now.
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I'd probably have just maxed him out and been done with it, but then, I'm not an executive who negotiates multi-million dollar deals. I don't see a bit of problem with negotiating in good faith when so many millions of dollars are at stake.
 
handiman said:
Precious few players are worth the max, in my opinion. Chris Paul and Derron Williams are probably the two who's value Roy is most closely connected with. They got maxed out, and look at the state of their teams now... Both franchises are desperate to shed salary. Now, this isn't necessarily the fault of Paul/Williams, but if you don't bet right on maxing players, I do believe you are more likely to end up in salary hell than in the NBA Finals.

LeBron, Kobe, and Wade, maybe Dwight Howard, are probably the only players in the league currently deserving of max contracts. Everyone else should be pro-rated down based on what percentage of that top level they can produce in terms of stats, selling tickets, moving merchandise, securing TV time, etc. The idea that the cornerstone of every team is a max player is a broken model.
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And yet if you don't pay your players to stay, no one is going to pay money to go to games or buy the merchandise, and you're going to lose even more money.
Despite how bad of a situation New Orleans is in now, they won't give up CP3. He's their draw and the only reason why people go and spend money on the Hornets.
 
SodaPopinski said:
EXACTLY!

To me, if you are trying to short change him on years, it's like telling him "Well, we want to maintain flexiblity just in case you aren't all we thought you would be by 2013."

That's a fucking disgrace to say to a guy who dragged this franchise back to relevance.
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Why is that a disgrace? If he's not what Portland thought he would be, is he going to give any money back? Of course not. Risk is always an issue for major investments and negotiating the value of that risk isn't a disgrace at all.
 
Minstrel said:
I'd probably have just maxed him out and been done with it, but then, I'm not an executive who negotiates multi-million dollar deals. I don't see a bit of problem with negotiating in good faith when so many millions of dollars are at stake.
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Well, I see a problem when the primary reason the team is selling out games, winning games, making the playoffs, and being represented on All-NBA teams has to text local radio hosts AFTER an interview to stress how "frustrated and disappointed" he is with what is going on right now. I'm not sold that there are "good faith" negotiations ensuing at this point.
 
PapaG said:
Well, I see a problem when the primary reason the team is selling out games, winning games, making the playoffs, and being represented on All-NBA teams has to text local radio hosts AFTER an interview to stress how "frustrated and disappointed" he is with what is going on right now. I'm not sold that there are "good faith" negotiations ensuing at this point.
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Why aren't you sold that the negotiations are in good faith? Frustration hardly means the negotiations are being done in ill faith. It just means Roy hasn't received exactly what he wanted yet.
 
PapaG said:
In other words, they'll treat players that may not play for the franchise better than they'll treat their franchise player. 4 years <<< 5 years. Way to go, KP! Pritchslapped!
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No, not in other words at all.

The Blazers will pay what it takes to make their team good. When a player has the power, they will do everything they can to make a fair deal work, and when the team has the power they will do everything they can to make a fair deal work... but inherent in what is "fair" is the relative strengths of each side's position.

Hedo and all other unrestricted free agents are under a different set of rules than a player entering his fourth NBA season on a first round rookie scale contract. That's just the way it is.

Ed O.
 
Do I need to order some Costco sized Thorazine for everyone? Let's try and remember that as in real life:

A) We really only know one side of the story.
B) We'll probably never be privy to all of the details of what's going on (including what Roy's agent is saying to KP)
C) If something seems so blatantly obvious to us as to be wrong, then my guess is that KP also views it as blatantly wrong and/or there is something, someone, some evil world organization preventing him from correcting this wrong.
 
Ed O said:
Did Bosh recruit Hedo?

I think that Roy's grasping at straws because, to be perfectly honest, he's got very little to bargain with. He HAS to try to get public opinion against the Blazers if he wants to shake things up, and by NOT helping the Blazers sign free agents (if he really thinks recruiting would help and not recruiting would harm the team's chances) then he's potentially clearing more money for his own contract down the road.

I'm sure Roy's frustrated because he's impotent in this situation. All he can do is talk and posture and hope that he gets his money.

Next summer, when even the magnificent class of 2010 is not seeing much movement or many big contracts, he might be much more willing to sign a max four year deal... if the team is willing to do so.

Ed O.
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I don't think he needs public opinion on his side. Most of us are on his side anyway, and have been since the news came out with Quick's article.
No fans pay to watch Kevin Pritchard manage our team, we watch to see Brandon play the game of basketball. If it was between keeping our front office around or Brandon around... I think the choice is obvious.
 
Minstrel said:
Why is that a disgrace? If he's not what Portland thought he would be, is he going to give any money back? Of course not. Risk is always an issue for major investments and negotiating the value of that risk isn't a disgrace at all.
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Brandon is not a mutual fund. He's not a piece of real estate. His willingness to display loyalty to the organization and give everything he can is partially tied to how we reward him for what he's done for the organization. Treating him like a line-item on a balance sheet is disgusting.
 
yakbladder said:
Do I need to order some Costco sized Thorazine for everyone? Let's try and remember that as in real life:

A) We really only know one side of the story.
B) We'll probably never be privy to all of the details of what's going on (including what Roy's agent is saying to KP)
C) If something seems so blatantly obvious to us as to be wrong, then my guess is that KP also views it as blatantly wrong and/or there is something, someone, some evil world organization preventing him from correcting this wrong.
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Agreed.

What if BR is asking for some of the gate? What if he wants a player opt out after 2 years or a no-trade clause? C'mon, people, use your pea brains.
 
Minstrel said:
Risk management. If Roy gets injured or regresses, it's one less year of paying him big money.
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That's a hell of a way to keep All-Star talent happy.

Roy's agent: "30 year-old Hedo gets 5 years, but Brandon, you're only going to get 4 years in case you get hurt."

Oden's agent: "Greg, are you listening to this? Let's force our way out of Portland fast. You have real injury issues, and look what they're trying to pull over on Roy."

As I read it, Roy has every right to be insulted. Brilliant job, Blazers.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Agreed.

What if BR is asking for some of the gate? What if he wants a player opt out after 2 years or a no-trade clause? C'mon, people, use your pea brains.
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The gate? Sure, give it to him no matter how much that is against the CBA. He's the one drawing the fans in.
Player opt out? Hell why not..
No-trade clause? I plan on keeping the guy..

The guy is our franchise. I'd give anything to keep him here.
 
Minstrel said:
What loyalty are you referring to?
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Wanting to stay for five yeasr, when in reality staying for three years would probably make more sense since the cap should be higher the next time he's up for free agency. That loyalty.
 
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Pop quiz: How many years did Chris Paul get at a max extension?

Answer: Four. Three year extension with a player option on the fourth year.

Ed O.
 
Minstrel said:
What loyalty are you referring to?
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I'm saying if the organization treats Brandon like a static investment rather than a talented individual who is highly sought after in this industry, then they are gambling with the chance he could decide to go somewhere else where they will fully appreciate his talent. In other words, his loyalty to the Blazers will likely be frayed if they try to dick around.
 
Ed O said:
Pop quiz: How many years did Chris Paul get at a max extension?

Answer: Four. Three year extension with a player option on the fourth year.

Ed O.
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IIRC, it was Paul who wanted the 4 year deal.
 
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