Rumor Bucks Shopping Monroe "hard"

[dviss1]

Dare to dream.

They may say I'm a dreamer...

 

[Natebishop3]

They may say I'm a dreamer...

But you're not the only one.

 

[MightyMouseOps1]

Monroe is exactly like Zach Randolph. The best player to pair with him is Marc gasol. Many people have mentioned Milsap and Ibaka and I agree they are good fits, but it is highly unlikely the thunder move Ibaka and the Hawks would want quite a bit for Milsap as well. It almost sounds video gameish expecting Monroe and then Gasol, Milsap, or Ibaka.

 

[BlayZa]

tbh i dont really wanna an offensive orientated big man.
I'll just end up hating them for being soft on defense n not locking shit down.

 

[Scalma]

I know Portland has pursued him the past couple of seasons, but I would be very surprised if Olshey prioritized a trade before free agency. If he strikes out on Horford or Whiteside, sure, go get Monroe, but definitely not before then. I'd probably rather have Monroe than Dwight though, and I'm not even against Dwight.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Horford and Milsap FTW.

Yep, that would be my dream summer scenario. We would add two bigs that are great at both ends of the court and great at defending the pick and roll. We would add a top notch front court to our excellent backcourt.

I'd also be happy with a Horford/Butler combo - again, two great 2-way players that would make us better at both ends of the court.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Monroe is exactly like Zach Randolph. The best player to pair with him is Marc gasol. Many people have mentioned Milsap and Ibaka and I agree they are good fits, but it is highly unlikely the thunder move Ibaka and the Hawks would want quite a bit for Milsap as well. It almost sounds video gameish expecting Monroe and then Gasol, Milsap, or Ibaka.

Good comparison. Monroe is a poor man's Z-Bo. Same strengths, same weaknesses.

BNM

 

[Blazinaway]

Dare to dream.

I would consider that a "meh" summer at best and more of a significant disappointment, if we failed in other pursuits and got these guys fairly cheap (Monroe especially - cap and little more) then maybe as Monroe probably is a 1 yr deal and Milsap has 2 yrs left. Neither guy is cheap salary wise with Milsap at 19 mil per and Monroe 17.5.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Horford and Milsap FTW.

BlazerHawks

 

[TBpup]

Dame
CJ
Aminu
Millsap
Monroe

Offensively they should be quite good but they would give up 110+ points a game. No shot-blocking, no rim protection, PnR defense would be abysmal and teams would score inside at will.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Offensively they should be quite good but they would give up 110+ points a game. No shot-blocking, no rim protection, PnR defense would be abysmal and teams would score inside at will.

Milsap is a damn good defender. Used properly, our P&R defense would improve immensely. You'd have to "hide" Monroe though

 

[Boob-No-More]

Offensively they should be quite good but they would give up 110+ points a game. No shot-blocking, no rim protection, PnR defense would be abysmal and teams would score inside at will.

You underestimate Millsap's defense. He led the entire league in Defensive Win Shares, was 3rd in the league in Defensive Box Plus/Minus and was the only payer in the top 10 in both BLKs and STLs. He's also very good at defending the pick-and-roll.

Yeah, Monroe sucks on defense, but Millsap was 5th in DPOY voting for a reason. I'd MUCH rather have Horford/Millsap than Mornoe/Millsap, but even Monroe/Millsap would be an upgrade to our front court at both ends of the court.

BNM

 

[TBpup]

You underestimate Millsap's defense.
BNM

I wasn't underestimating Millsap. My mind was trying to imagine the wet-paper obstacle that Lillard, CJ and Monroe would put up regardless of the other two players on the floor. I really like Millsap but while is a solid man defender, it it was he and Monroe there is no rim protection to speak of. Aminu would probably be the best shot-blocker in that line-up.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I wasn't underestimating Millsap. My mind was trying to imagine the wet-paper obstacle that Lillard, CJ and Monroe would put up regardless of the other two players on the floor. I really like Millsap but while is a solid man defender, it it was he and Monroe there is no rim protection to speak of. Aminu would probably be the best shot-blocker in that line-up.

Millsap was 8th in the league in BLK/G and 5th in total BLKs. He only had 9 fewer total BLKs than Ibaka and over 2.5x as many BLKs as Aminu. In terms of BLKs/36, Millsap was at 1.9 compared to 0.8 for Aminu.

Of course, as you mentioned, Millsap's defense would be offset by Monroe's lack of, but with Millsap and Aminu, at least we'd have two good defenders in our starting line up.

Again, all the more reason, Horford would be my first choice. He's not an elite rim protector, but he's decent (top 20), but he's one of the best bigs in the league at defending the pick-and-roll, and that's where Dame and C.J. need the most help. If there is anyway we could get both Horford and Millsap, to go along with Aminu at the 3 and suddenly defense goes from a weakness to a strength.

The same wold be true if we added Horford and Jimmy Butler. Start Butler at the 3 and Aminu at the 4 and you still have 3 very good defenders at the 3, 4 and 5 spots.

Which is why I rate Monroe way down on my list of summer targets. He improves our options on the offensive end, but you need to pair him with a stud defender, and even then, you'd barely be treading water on the defensive end.

BNM

 

[TBpup]

I'm aware of the numbers, I just don't think from an 'eye-test', Millsap is who you have as the anchor of their defense and if that is the case, you probably aren't going to be an elite team. Also, how does that continue as he is on the wrong side of 30? Now if you combined him with a center NOT named Monroe who he could team with defensively, now I think you have something pretty special for at least a year or two.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm aware of the numbers, I just don't think from an 'eye-test', Millsap is who you have as the anchor of their defense and if that is the case, you probably aren't going to be an elite team. Also, how does that continue as he is on the wrong side of 30? Now if you combined him with a center NOT named Monroe who he could team with defensively, now I think you have something pretty special for at least a year or two.

His defensive numbers have improved with age. He will eventually decline, but he's not there, yet. He may not be flashy, but his 6.0 Defensive Win Shares led the entire league. Simply replacing Noah Vonleh with Paul Millsap would be a huge upgrade at both ends of the court.

Paul Millsap:
OWS = 4.1
DWS = 6.0
WS = 10.1

Noah Vonleh:
OWS = 0.0
DWS = 1.1
WS = 1.2

If we bring in Monroe, I could see a center by committee where he splits time about equally with Mason Plumlee. Still not nearly as good as having a two way player, like Horford at center, but Millsap would be such a huge improvement at PF, treading water, or slightly improving at center, wouldn't kill us. I'd LOVE to upgrade two of our three frontcourt positions, but even a significant upgrade at one of the positions would be a step in the right direction.

BNM

 

[TBpup]

You and I would be an upgrade over the young Vonleh at this point...not much of a comparison as I'm sure you would agree. Historically I just don't see a lot of players who are going to turn 32 getting better and are much closer to the decline than the upswing. Father Time remains undefeated.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would consider that a "meh" summer at best and more of a significant disappointment, if we failed in other pursuits and got these guys fairly cheap (Monroe especially - cap and little more) then maybe as Monroe probably is a 1 yr deal and Milsap has 2 yrs left. Neither guy is cheap salary wise with Milsap at 19 mil per and Monroe 17.5.

You would consider getting Horford and Millsap a "meh" summer? Because that's what Dviss said and that's what I was responding to.

 

[Blazer4ever]

What would you give up for Monroe, or do you have any interest in him?
http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2016/06/bucks-shopping-greg-monroe.html
Bucks Shopping Greg Monroe
June 20th 2016 at 10:57am CST by Luke Adams
Less than a year after signing him as a free agent, the Bucks are shopping Greg Monroe “hard,” reports Michael Scotto of Sheridan Hoops and The Associated Press (via Twitter).

Monroe, who turned 26 earlier this month, was his usual effective self during his first season in Milwaukee, averaging 18.8 points and 10.8 rebounds per 36 minutes to along with a .522 FG%. However, while Monroe was a productive low-post scorer and rebounder for the Bucks, his defense was lacking and he didn’t provide much rim protection.

In our Bucks offseason preview, Dana Gauruder observed that Monroe’s defensive shortcomings could prompt the team to explore the trade market for him, as was reportedly the case at last season’s trade deadline. Although Milwaukee ultimately told Monroe he wouldn’t be moved at that time, at least one report suggested that he would have been obtainable if a trade partner had been willing to give up a “decent” first-round pick.

It remains to be seen what sort of package the Bucks will seek if they move Monroe this offseason, but he’ll enter the 2016/17 season on an expiring contract of sorts. The ex-Piston is Milwaukee’s highest-paid player, with a $17.146MM cap hit for the coming year. He also has a $17.884MM player option for 2017/18, though there’s a good chance he’ll turn down that option and return to the open market a year from now, with the salary cap on the rise.

In addition to figuring out whether or not Monroe fits into their plans next season, the Bucks will also have to determine what to do with Michael Carter-Williams, who is entering the final year of his rookie contract. Carter-Williams will be extension-eligible, but he was the subject of a few trade rumors earlier this year, and may not have a long-term future in Milwaukee.

If they include MCW i'd make the trade and call it a summer.
Monroe as a starting PF, MCW in a 3-guard rotation with Dame and CJ. Then sign our own free agents. Good enough for me

 

[Nikolokolus]

Maybe in previous years I would have been OK with Monroe, but knowing that the Dubs aren't about to pack it in anytime soon, and how porous Damian and CJ are on defense, there' no way you can play this guy in the playoffs and have it be anything other than a net negative -- he'd get pick-and-rolled to death.

Yes this team needs some interior scoring, but even more this team needs a bonafide rim protector, preferably a freak athlete with a ten foot wingspan and the lateral foot speed of a wing (no idea how we get one of those, but trading what precious few assets we have for a plodding offense-only big is not a plan).

 

[blue9]

Larry Sanders and Greg Monroe.
Larry Sanders and Marvin Williams.
Larry Sanders and Kevin Love.
Howard and Love.

 

[TBpup]

Larry Sanders and Greg Monroe.
Larry Sanders and Marvin Williams.
Larry Sanders and Kevin Love.
Howard and Love.

If the Blazers could get Sanders on an inexpensive, incentive laden deal, I'm all for that. No doubt about the talent, it's about his basketball desire. More production, more money. That should be the way it is anyhow.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'd like to see Larry Sanders play, first.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Re: Monroe.
I think there is a place for a good-passing, good-to-great back to the basket player, even if they can't play D. But I think it's as a spot player, somebody to bring in when it works, but not as a key starter or even rotation player. Would Monroe accept that? Even if so, he's way overpriced for that role. I'd much rather target Marjanovic, because he's ideally suited for that role. (And is also taller so can just be a defensive presence merely by raising his humungous arms.)

Compare their per 36 stats.

 

[dviss1]

If the final outcome was Monroe/Millsap and we keep Crabbe/Harkless, I would call that a solid summer.

Dame
CJ
Aminu
Millsap
Monroe

with Crabbe, Harkless, and then whatever we have left from trading for Millsap. I'm hoping we can still snag a decent backup point guard.

I sincerely hope Greg Monroe is not our starting Center next season.

 

[dviss1]

Re: Monroe.
I think there is a place for a good-passing, good-to-great back to the basket player, even if they can't play D. But I think it's as a spot player, somebody to bring in when it works, but not as a key starter or even rotation player. Would Monroe accept that? Even if so, he's way overpriced for that role. I'd much rather target Marjanovic, because he's ideally suited for that role. (And is also taller so can just be a defensive presence merely by raising his humungous arms.)

Compare their per 36 stats.

That's a big MF...

 

[Blazinaway]

If the Blazers could get Sanders on an inexpensive, incentive laden deal, I'm all for that. No doubt about the talent, it's about his basketball desire. More production, more money. That should be the way it is anyhow.

how much leeway does the CBA all for incentives?

 

[Natebishop3]

I sincerely hope Greg Monroe is not our starting Center next season.

As I've said, if it's a use it or lose it situation with our cap space, I would take him.

 

[Nikolokolus]

As I've said, if it's a use it or lose it situation with our cap space, I would take him.

I thought he would be a trade target not a FA?

 

[Natebishop3]

I thought he would be a trade target not a FA?

Well, we were discussing earlier in the thread that there could be a scenario where we can't get someone to commit, the Bucks are willing to trade him for cap space, and someone offers a big contract to Crabbe or Harkless. If that were to happen, and it was a case where we could either use the cap space to acquire Monroe for nothing, or lose it when we match Crabbe/Harkless, then I would be fine using the cap space to bring in Monroe. Our space is gone after this summer anyway.