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Chicken little syndrome a bit in here… bust absolute nope for me. Seen enough flashes of why he was the 3rd choice last year, lots of growing pains sure but I still feel like he will get the ship righted and be just fine.

Real shame for him that we were all spoiled by a certain letter O for the last decade and that guy happened to come into the league as a 4 year college player fully matured and ready to go.

Hard act to follow, but in time I think it will be good for the next decade of Ripcity basketball!
 
B-Roy said:
If Scoot was putting up Banton's numbers fans here would be creaming themselves from excitement.
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Actually their numbers are pretty similar:
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Not that that's a great thing given their respective draft positions...

@speeds - any idea why the Raptors gave up on Banton?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Actually their numbers are pretty similar:
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Not that that's a great thing given their respective draft positions...

@speeds - any idea why the Raptors gave up on Banton?
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Since Scoot's from (his most recent) injury:
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Banton in the same period:
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Plus/minus notwithstanding, their numbers are not similar. The gulf is ridiculous, especially considering their respective draft positions.
 
After doing the "All-Time" listing today, something jumped out at me so I decided to look into it a bit.

I decided to look at the players that seem to have relatively high turnovers per the minutes played (all with at least 1,000 minutes except Robert Pack who only had 894). This is not an exact science cause I only picked the obvious ones by looking at the apparent turnover to minutes played ratio.

How many minutes does the player play before they turn the ball over.

1. Scoot - 8.6 (180 - 1,548 minutes)
2. Steve Johnson - 9.1 (538 - 4,872 minutes)
3. Robert Pack - 9.7 (92 - 194 minutes)
4. Drazen Petrovic - 10.2
5. Sergio Rodriguez - 10.9
6. Abdul Jeelani - 11.0
7. Raymond Felton - 11.9
8. Mo Williams - 12.3
9. Sebastian Telfair - 12.4
10. Jerryd Bayless - 13.1

Nobody came close to Scoot in turnovers per minute until I looked way up the list and found Steve Johnson.

The guy is a turnover machine. At this point in time, I wouldn't want him in the game in a close situation - too likely to turn the ball over.

Bust? No.
Will he improve? Slightly optimistic.

From my perspective, the guy is far from being ready to run a team. Fine to run the backups and learn and get more experience but while he scores somewhat and does well on assists at times, he is a turnover waiting to happen.

Opposing team's favorite player. Pass it to me Scoot!
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Since Scoot's from (his most recent) injury:
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Banton in the same period:
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Plus/minus notwithstanding, their numbers are not similar. The gulf is ridiculous, especially considering their respective draft positions.
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I don't get this talk of draft positions. Dalano Banton a year and Western Kentucky 31 games, a redshirt year in Nebraska's program followed by another year in which he played 27 games, then he was drafted by the Raptors and played two seasons/95 games before Scoot was even drafted. Dalano should know how to use his game a lot better than Scoot, dude is 4 years older than Scoot.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't get this talk of draft positions. Dalano Banton a year and Western Kentucky 31 games, a redshirt year in Nebraska's program followed by another year in which he played 27 games, then he was drafted by the Raptors and played two seasons/95 games before Scoot was even drafted. Dalano should know how to use his game a lot better than Scoot, dude is 4 years older than Scoot.
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That's not the point.
 
blazerkor said:
I don't get this talk of draft positions. Dalano Banton a year and Western Kentucky 31 games, a redshirt year in Nebraska's program followed by another year in which he played 27 games, then he was drafted by the Raptors and played two seasons/95 games before Scoot was even drafted. Dalano should know how to use his game a lot better than Scoot, dude is 4 years older than Scoot.
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Well that and they play different positions and are not being asked to do any of the same things not to mention they are different players in pretty much every way.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Actually their numbers are pretty similar:
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Not that that's a great thing given their respective draft positions...

@speeds - any idea why the Raptors gave up on Banton?
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When you get over the fact he can drive the ball and score over smaller guards you start to realize there's not much else there.

You can compare his 24-games in Boston to his 24-games in Portland. One role is likely his niche in the NBA, the other is a crazy outlier. No team is going to be pursuing this guy to be a starter, and what he gives you off the bench is underwhelming.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bantoda01.html
 
speeds said:
When you get over the fact he can drive the ball and score over smaller guards you start to realize there's not much else there.

You can compare his 24-games in Boston to his 24-games in Portland. One role is likely his niche in the NBA, the other is a crazy outlier. No team is going to be pursuing this guy to be a starter, and what he gives you off the bench is underwhelming.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bantoda01.html
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Not very polite about a fellow Canadian!
 
PCmor7 said:
To be fair, he was presented that way by a lot of NBA beat writers, reporters and draft experts before the Blazers even had a sniff of him.

And NBA-ready, at least in my mind, doesn't imply he's ready to be a star. It just means he can hold his own, that he won't be overmatched.

But he's been completely overmatched so far.
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You would hope the bball staff of a professional team has more bball bonafides (and can make better projections) than the people in the media.
 
illmatic99 said:
You would hope the bball staff of a professional team has more bball bonafides (and can make better projections) than the people in the media.
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Well, our draft expert was a member of the media, so......
 
THE HCP said:
So you’d rather keep Banton of the two if you had the choice? I believe around the league you would be by yourself on that island FAMS!
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Gosh I love when you respond to a post that says one thing as though it says something completely different!
 
speeds said:
When you get over the fact he can drive the ball and score over smaller guards you start to realize there's not much else there.

You can compare his 24-games in Boston to his 24-games in Portland. One role is likely his niche in the NBA, the other is a crazy outlier. No team is going to be pursuing this guy to be a starter, and what he gives you off the bench is underwhelming.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bantoda01.html
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I agree with a lot of what you said here. He won't be a starter for anyone unless there are injuries. But he has shown growth in at least one area that we can track via the box score. He has made almost 100 3s this year, while in his previous 2 years, he made a combined 18. So the question is will he continue to get better at shooting? He is a little out of control at times when he attacks the basket, but I like having that extra rebounder out there that immediately pushes the ball down court
 
illmatic99 said:
You would hope the bball staff of a professional team has more bball bonafides (and can make better projections) than the people in the media.
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Except the people in the media were talking to basketball bonafides or used to be basketball bonafides.

Let's not make this out to be guys who were doing the weather on local TV 10 years ago to act like a bunch of nobodies in the media were projecting Scoot at a much higher level than he's performing. That would be hyperbolically inaccurate.
 
Kell said:
Chicken little syndrome a bit in here… bust absolute nope for me. Seen enough flashes of why he was the 3rd choice last year, lots of growing pains sure but I still feel like he will get the ship righted and be just fine.

Real shame for him that we were all spoiled by a certain letter O for the last decade and that guy happened to come into the league as a 4 year college player fully matured and ready to go.

Hard act to follow, but in time I think it will be good for the next decade of Ripcity basketball!
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Agreed. Scoot has all the stuff you can't teach. He just needs to improve on a few of the things that anybody can learn.
 
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