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illmatic99 said:
im trying to see if scoot can get up to 40% shooting from the field for the season.

he's currently 280 for 723, for 38.7%.

if he goes 4o for 77 in the last 5 games (~52%), he gets to 40% exactly.

lofty goal, but still statistically possible.
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Lol nvm
 
Guess what? Scoot has been terribly inefficient but when the time comes for people in the media to vote for all rookie team, they'll put Scoot on the first team because he's the 4th leading scorer in his rookie class and that includes Chet in front of him and he's the number one guy in his class in assists. For those of you wondering if anyone has more turnovers per game than Scoot the answer is yes... Wemby.
 
blazerkor said:
Guess what? Scoot has been terribly inefficient but when the time comes for people in the media to vote for all rookie team, they'll put Scoot on the first team because he's the 4th leading scorer in his rookie class and that includes Chet in front of him and he's the number one guy in his class in assists. For those of you wondering if anyone has more turnovers per game than Scoot the answer is yes... Wemby.
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Idk he's not even top 10 on the rookie ladder on NBA.com
 
Natebishop3 said:
Of all the things I am unconcerned about, his shooting is the biggest thing I'm unconcerned about.
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Personally it's the biggest thing I'm concerned about. Absolutely no left hand whatsoever. Every drive to the hoop the opposing team knows exactly what he's going to do. Until that changes he will continue to get swatted, make crazy contortions, turn the ball over, or have to look for some kind of crazy pass leading to a late shot clock attempt by another player out of position.
He needs to work on finishing shots with his left hand. When he does that his shooting will improve.
 
kjironman1 said:
Personally it's the biggest thing I'm concerned about. Absolutely no left hand whatsoever. Every drive to the hoop the opposing team knows exactly what he's going to do. Until that changes he will continue to get swatted, make crazy contortions, turn the ball over, or have to look for some kind of crazy pass leading to a late shot clock attempt by another player out of position.
He needs to work on finishing shots with his left hand. When he does that his shooting will improve.
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Ya the skill and touch on his shots leaves a ton to be desired. His hands are massive too, so I'm more concerned if it will ever improve. Especially since the gap from where he is now to where he needs to be is massive.
 
blazerkor said:
Guess what? Scoot has been terribly inefficient but when the time comes for people in the media to vote for all rookie team, they'll put Scoot on the first team because he's the 4th leading scorer in his rookie class and that includes Chet in front of him and he's the number one guy in his class in assists. For those of you wondering if anyone has more turnovers per game than Scoot the answer is yes... Wemby.
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Dont think he gets to first team.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I love that album! If you have Beck's Odelay you will recognize a sample from that album. It also helps that two of those people look EXACTLY like me and a roommate I had once (at different times).

The roommate (who is batshit insane, but in a civilized way).
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Civilized insanity. Hmmm there’s a catchy name for an album.
 
kjironman1 said:
Personally it's the biggest thing I'm concerned about. Absolutely no left hand whatsoever. Every drive to the hoop the opposing team knows exactly what he's going to do. Until that changes he will continue to get swatted, make crazy contortions, turn the ball over, or have to look for some kind of crazy pass leading to a late shot clock attempt by another player out of position.
He needs to work on finishing shots with his left hand. When he does that his shooting will improve.
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I was assuming that Nate was referring to shooting other than finishing at the basket. I think his floater and three point will be OK. Worry about his finishing and discipline and decision-making both on defense and offense.
 
blazerkor said:
Guess what? Scoot has been terribly inefficient but when the time comes for people in the media to vote for all rookie team, they'll put Scoot on the first team because he's the 4th leading scorer in his rookie class and that includes Chet in front of him and he's the number one guy in his class in assists. For those of you wondering if anyone has more turnovers per game than Scoot the answer is yes... Wemby.
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I'd be really surprised if Scoot is on the 1st team. I think it will probably be Wemby-Chet-Miller-Amen-Jaquez. And I'd think other rookies ranked ahead of Scoot would be GG Jackson, Lively, and maybe Whitmore & Podzeminski (sp?)

I wouldn't be surprised if Keyonte George is ranked ahead of Scoot.

there was just too much pre-draft media hype for Scoot followed by the same media noticing Scoot's disappointing and inefficient season
 
Natebishop3 said:
Of all the things I am unconcerned about, his shooting is the biggest thing I'm unconcerned about.
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Agreed. Anybody can be a good shooter. ANYBODY.

It literally only takes fundamental reps with intention.

The more of those you get the better shooter you'll be. Scoot has never had to worry about thet before.

He seems aggressive and confident. He'll either stay that way and turn into a very good player or he'll lose confidence and may not make it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Agreed. Anybody can be a good shooter. ANYBODY.

It literally only takes fundamental reps with intention.

The more of those you get the better shooter you'll be. Scoot has never had to worry about thet before.

He seems aggressive and confident. He'll either stay that way and turn into a very good player or he'll lose confidence and may not make it.
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Only thing I'll amend is that he needs to work on scoring with his left hand. That's concerning.

But overall it's about his feel for the game and cutting down on mistakes, and that will come with time and experience.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Only thing I'll amend is that he needs to work on scoring with his left hand. That's concerning.

But overall it's about his feel for the game and cutting down on mistakes, and that will come with time and experience.
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Absolutely. That is another thing he has never needed. He was able to hide that in the G league.

But again, capability of finishing with your off hand is something that can be fixed in a an off-season or two.

But the reality is, in the NBA a guy that size is probably not going to get a lot of clean looks in the paint. He needs to have it in his bag, for sure, if for no other reason than it will help him get to the foul line and get him more room to shoot jumpers.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I was assuming that Nate was referring to shooting other than finishing at the basket. I think his floater and three point will be OK. Worry about his finishing and discipline and decision-making both on defense and offense.
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Guess you could be correct but the conversation over the last 2-3 pages is about his shooting efficiency. His efficiency would be much better if he could make a layup around the basket instead of getting swatted anytime he is 4 foot from the hoop. The extra effort trying to get a clean shot with his right hand every time is killing his efficiency.
At least that's the way I see it.
Not knocking the kid at all. He will work on this I'm certain. In the NBA you need to be able to score with both hands around the basket.
 
kjironman1 said:
Personally it's the biggest thing I'm concerned about. Absolutely no left hand whatsoever. Every drive to the hoop the opposing team knows exactly what he's going to do. Until that changes he will continue to get swatted, make crazy contortions, turn the ball over, or have to look for some kind of crazy pass leading to a late shot clock attempt by another player out of position.
He needs to work on finishing shots with his left hand. When he does that his shooting will improve.
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To me, shooting and finishing at the rim are two different things.

We knew there was concerns about shooting before the season started. I'm still not worried about that. I think he has improved. The finishing is concerning and I'm hoping we see improvement next season.
 
Natebishop3 said:
To me, shooting and finishing at the rim are two different things.

We knew there was concerns about shooting before the season started. I'm still not worried about that. I think he has improved. The finishing is concerning and I'm hoping we see improvement next season.
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Finishing is connected to making wise decisions about when to drive vs. pull up or dish. Scoot's still learning.
 
It took Dame a season or two to figure out how to either score or get the foul call on his drives. OTOH, Dame's drives were a lot cleaner and not into triple coverage every damn time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
To me, shooting and finishing at the rim are two different things.

We knew there was concerns about shooting before the season started. I'm still not worried about that. I think he has improved. The finishing is concerning and I'm hoping we see improvement next season.
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His actual jump shot has improved immensely. Someone has been working with him is my guess.
Look at some video of him shooting 3s in October as opposed to now.
 
kjironman1 said:
His actual jump shot has improved immensely. Someone has been working with him is my guess.
Look at some video of him shooting 3s in October as opposed to now.
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might not be that simple and Scoot's October is a very low bar. His 3ptFG% has 'improved' over G-League, but it's been pretty inconsistent, month-to-month, all season:

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a 31.7% 3pt conversion rate is probably right around where the expectations would have set it...maybe a bit higher than expected based upon GLeague. But there is no real predictive trend-line.

problem is his 2ptFG% is a lot worse than his GLeague mark, and so is his FG% and TS%. He shot 46.5% on two's last season in 19 games, and 47.7% when you add his 17 showcase cup games; but just 41.7% this season. He shot 44.1% on FG's in those 36 g-league games but 38.5% this year. And he had a .537 TS% mark in g-league regular season and a .580 TS% in showcase cup; but has a .488 TS mark this season

Obviously, the competition levels were wildly different, and scouting is much better in the NBA, but that he is so far below his g-league marks this year is a bit concerning. This isn't minor variance
 
blazerkor said:
Guess what? Scoot has been terribly inefficient but when the time comes for people in the media to vote for all rookie team, they'll put Scoot on the first team because he's the 4th leading scorer in his rookie class and that includes Chet in front of him and he's the number one guy in his class in assists. For those of you wondering if anyone has more turnovers per game than Scoot the answer is yes... Wemby.
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I don't think this is the case - voters now are more sophisticated than 20 years ago when the first and primary stat people looked at was PPG.

Scoot has been very disappointing from a national perspective and I'd expect voters don't want to "reward" him for hoisting a lot of shots in a very inefficient manor for a horrible team.
 
e_blazer said:
Finishing is connected to making wise decisions about when to drive vs. pull up or dish. Scoot's still learning.
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I don't even think that's it. If the guy could finish left handed his shooting would go up :lol:
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't even think that's it. If the guy could finish left handed his shooting would go up :lol:
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he's not going to be able to finish left-handed until he can dribble-drive with his left hand; and he can't do that at all at this point in time. The off-season will reveal a lot about Scoot next year
 
blazerkor said:
Guess what? Scoot has been terribly inefficient but when the time comes for people in the media to vote for all rookie team, they'll put Scoot on the first team because he's the 4th leading scorer in his rookie class and that includes Chet in front of him and he's the number one guy in his class in assists. For those of you wondering if anyone has more turnovers per game than Scoot the answer is yes... Wemby.
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Dude he’s nowhere near the rookie ladder. Hes far from ever being on the rookie teams lol
 
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