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Portland2014 said:
https://www.blazersedge.com/2024/9/...-predictions-scoot-henderson-chauncey-billups

...he was the most disappointing player I saw in L.A. this summer. Despite his unreal athleticism, Henderson is a horrendous defensive player who can’t shoot and can’t finish at the rim. He’s nowhere near ready to help the Blazers win possessions. If he commits to, and succeeds in, improving his overall game, he can make a big jump playing alongside guys who know how. But there needs to be some movement towards the light. If Scoot hasn’t started making real progress by February, it’s a five-alarm fire. No team gets too far with a negative player starting at point guard.

Is he talking about THIS summer?
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Presumably, given that he talks about Avdija. So one has to wonder WHERE in LA he saw him?
 
Portland2014 said:
https://www.blazersedge.com/2024/9/...-predictions-scoot-henderson-chauncey-billups

...he was the most disappointing player I saw in L.A. this summer. Despite his unreal athleticism, Henderson is a horrendous defensive player who can’t shoot and can’t finish at the rim. He’s nowhere near ready to help the Blazers win possessions. If he commits to, and succeeds in, improving his overall game, he can make a big jump playing alongside guys who know how. But there needs to be some movement towards the light. If Scoot hasn’t started making real progress by February, it’s a five-alarm fire. No team gets too far with a negative player starting at point guard.

Is he talking about THIS summer?
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take Blazers Edge clickbait lightly. They just wrote a gigantic horse dookie article, detailing every bad performance from the entire Denver Nuggets roster. It sent their mean "Blazer fan" comment section into a frenzy of long winded trash talking memos about a far superior ballclub.
 
Im sure he attended a few games in LA this summer. His comment doesn't really surprise me, as I think it's obvious Scoot has a lot of improvement needed in his game. His disappointment is probably based on expectations of Scoot and that he was so hyped. We will soon find out just how much he's improved.
 
"But Avdija can also guard a lot of fours, so the Blazers could explore trading [Jerami] Grant so that Sharpe joins the starting unit. Both guys are capable perimeter shooters who’ll space the floor"

Yes because we all want to go smaller than we have in the past.
Sharpe will start regardless, it does not have to be at SF.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
"But Avdija can also guard a lot of fours, so the Blazers could explore trading [Jerami] Grant so that Sharpe joins the starting unit. Both guys are capable perimeter shooters who’ll space the floor"

Yes because we all want to go smaller than we have in the past.
Sharpe will start regardless, it does not have to be at SF.
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Sharp certainly should not start at small forward, IMO. But I agree he definitely should start.
 
Sharpe should start no matter what. Even if it means rolling out Simons at PG and having Scoot come off the bench.
 
Portland2014 said:
https://www.blazersedge.com/2024/9/...-predictions-scoot-henderson-chauncey-billups

...he was the most disappointing player I saw in L.A. this summer. Despite his unreal athleticism, Henderson is a horrendous defensive player who can’t shoot and can’t finish at the rim. He’s nowhere near ready to help the Blazers win possessions. If he commits to, and succeeds in, improving his overall game, he can make a big jump playing alongside guys who know how. But there needs to be some movement towards the light. If Scoot hasn’t started making real progress by February, it’s a five-alarm fire. No team gets too far with a negative player starting at point guard.

Is he talking about THIS summer?
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I'm sorry but this is such a horseshit take.

He proved that he can shoot last season. So what, he went and watched a few pickup games? Big fucking whoop.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Not concerned.
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I am. I watched exactly what he is saying last year but that's the problem I have with his take. I know he isn't the only one who watched these issues. I know Scoot has people working with him very hard on all of them. I also know It might be 2-3 more years before we see the quality we are looking for from Scoot. Now the defense statement seems weird though. Scoot is too athletic to not be able to play defense. These things take a bunch of time and Scoot has not had the minutes yet to say the thing he said about him.
 
kjironman1 said:
I am. I watched exactly what he is saying last year but that's the problem I have with his take. I know he isn't the only one who watched these issues. I know Scoot has people working with him very hard on all of them. I also know It might be 2-3 more years before we see the quality we are looking for from Scoot. Now the defense statement seems weird though. Scoot is too athletic to not be able to play defense. These things take a bunch of time and Scoot has not had the minutes yet to say the thing he said about him.
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You pretty much summed up why I'm not concerned. :)
 
kjironman1 said:
I can understand that to a point? The fact remains he was desperately in need of a bunch of work. Lets hope we see some improvement.
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Its his drive. Many players needing improvement dont work like him. He seems to have Dame like drive and that is what keeps me from being concerned. Now if he stays healthy and we don't see improvement over the season? I may get concerned. But as of now i see him doing everything he can. I believe he will improve and i think Shae will benefit from it big time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm sorry but this is such a horseshit take.

He proved that he can shoot last season. So what, he went and watched a few pickup games? Big fucking whoop.
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Pickup games at that. I doubt any player is working on their defense out at the park or even in the gym with other top players in pickup situations. They might dig deep defensively on game point, but these guys are working on their stroke, handles and dunks. Dame was/is a notorious summer player. Never heard anything about his defense. Heard about improved distance on his three, ball handling and finishing at the rim.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Its his drive. Many players needing improvement dont work like him. He seems to have Dame like drive and that is what keeps me from being concerned. Now if he stays healthy and we don't see improvement over the season? I may get concerned. But as of now i see him doing everything he can. I believe he will improve and i think Shae will benefit from it big time.
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How do you know this? Did you get a chance to watch him work out? I have not seen anything to tell me anything about how driven he is?
 
kjironman1 said:
How do you know this? Did you get a chance to watch him work out? I have not seen anything to tell me anything about how driven he is?
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Just the conversations, interviews and clips of him working out this summer. And i said seems to have. Meaning i don't know for sure, but it looks like he does. :)
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Its his drive. Many players needing improvement dont work like him. He seems to have Dame like drive and that is what keeps me from being concerned. Now if he stays healthy and we don't see improvement over the season? I may get concerned. But as of now i see him doing everything he can. I believe he will improve and i think Shae will benefit from it big time.
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I like all of this but if Ant is getting around 36 minutes a game and has the type of usage he did last season, these dudes won't get enough reps in the roles they both need to be playing, for us to even know where they could be at.

Ant is the Scoot and Shae killer. Ant is the little-death that brings Scoot's and Shae's total obliteration.
 
blazerkor said:
I like all of this but if Ant is getting around 36 minutes a game and has the type of usage he did last season, these dudes won't get enough reps in the roles they both need to be playing, for us to even know where they could be at.

Ant is the Scoot and Shae killer. Ant is the little-death that brings Scoot's and Shae's total obliteration.
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this was already debunked many time here, that Ant and his usage is hurting Scoot and Sharpe.

Do you even know how many games Ant played with Scoot and Sharpe last season?
 
sheed30 said:
this was already debunked many time here, that Ant and his usage is hurting Scoot and Sharpe.

Do you even know how many games Ant played with Scoot and Sharpe last season?
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I agree. I was actually searching for it when I read your post. If there were a lot they were sporadic, which does not help with chemistry. We all know that Scoot struggled early on regardless of who he was playing with, so I find it hard to blame Ant.

Here is one of those games, but guys like Moses, Reath, and Thybulle also got big minutes. So if you replace them with Ayton, Grant, and Deni how will that work? I have no idea. Regardless I don't think we have seen enough of all 3 playing in the same game to know yet.

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401584932

I am anxious to see how Deni plays with everyone. Not sure how he will play with Scoot, but I think he will fit in with the others.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree. I was actually searching for it when I read your post. If there were a lot they were sporadic, which does not help with chemistry. We all know that Scoot struggled early on regardless of who he was playing with, so I find it hard to blame Ant.

Here is one of those games, but guys like Moses, Reath, and Thybulle also got big minutes. So if you replace them with Ayton, Grant, and Deni how will that work? I have no idea. Regardless I don't think we have seen enough of all 3 playing in the same game to know yet.

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401584932

I am anxious to see how Deni plays with everyone. Not sure how he will play with Scoot, but I think he will fit in with the others.
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I agree it’s really hard to blame anything or anyone on how Scoot looked especially early on.

Scoot was 19, coming into the NBA with no college experience, and playing the hardest position in the NBA, especially for a rookie.

I’m sure early on too his confidence and ego was a little shaken when he realized the NBA is a whole different animal than the G-League.

But as you pointed out, Scoot struggled early on for the first couple months and that was by far his worse stretch of basketball.

Funny enough that was without Ant, as Ant hurt his hand the FIRST game of the season and was out for the first two months of the season

Another point I want to make is Ant is currently our best 3pt shooter, or close to the best next to Grant. Ant being on the floor with Scoot will open his game up more, spread the floor more and allow Scoot a clearer path to the hoop once he blows by his defender or they sag in on him and that leaves Ant open for the 3ball.

And talking about Sharpe, he only played 13 games with Ant. And only 32 games overall. But in those 19 games played without Ant and those 13 with Ant, his stats were virtually the same, heck might have been even worse without Ant I can’t remember of the top of my head.

I don’t get the Ant is a Scoot and Sharpe killer
 
Portland2014 said:
https://www.blazersedge.com/2024/9/...-predictions-scoot-henderson-chauncey-billups

...he was the most disappointing player I saw in L.A. this summer. Despite his unreal athleticism, Henderson is a horrendous defensive player who can’t shoot and can’t finish at the rim. He’s nowhere near ready to help the Blazers win possessions. If he commits to, and succeeds in, improving his overall game, he can make a big jump playing alongside guys who know how. But there needs to be some movement towards the light. If Scoot hasn’t started making real progress by February, it’s a five-alarm fire. No team gets too far with a negative player starting at point guard.

Is he talking about THIS summer?
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To see examples of such events, type "open run nba" into a search engine. They aren't open to the media, so are unreported and unknown to us here. This open run was like a mini-NBA Summer League. I read the comments:

Blazervision watched the podcast and says about Thorpe:
He describes the contextual setting over a 3-day span in L.A. watching these "Pro runs" as follows..."Lets say there's 12 sessions of games, 6 games each day on 3 different courts"

Svinyard comments that Henry Abbott says about fellow TrueHooper David Thorpe:
There were a couple of runs in Los Angeles that were thick with NBA players--if I recall correctly, one at UCLA and I think the other may have been at Loyola Marymount. David attended to watch clients play, and one of the teams competing was a form of the Blazers with Scoot, Donovan Clingan, and other young players.

Wktd says about Little Scooter's finishing ability at the rim:
for the season, he shot 46% at the rim. that is BAD. for context, there are only 35 guards who shot a worse percentage at the rim last year, and everybody beneath him is either a rookie scrub or washed vet. I can't filter it by minutes or # of attempts but I'm almost positive he was the worst guard finisher in the league who played a fullish season.

I went back and listened to the RealGM Radio episode I mentioned before. here's the stat: of rookie PGs who shot <40% overall and <35% from three, Kidd and Chauncey are the only "successful" players in league history. that's obviously a subjective assessment and I don't have the full list, but on the show they debate whether or not markelle fultz qualifies as a "success"...oof. I think we'd all agree that if scoot turns out to be fultz that would be a disaster.

Royster looked it up whether Scooter is a bad finisher
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?CF=Less Than 5 ft. FGA*GE*50&PerMode=Totals&PlayerPosition=G&SeasonType=Regular Season&dir=A&sort=Less Than 5 ft. FG PCT
 
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