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SharpesTriumph said:
I don't see any issue with Scoot jumper - his catch and shoot jumper is great. Not sure what you mean by "his J is abit off"
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you cut off my quote where I answer this question. I said... "the form on his J is abit off". I then went on to describe exactly how it is off.

Doesn't mean he's going to to make them at a high percentage as a rookie. Fultz/DSJ comparisons don't make any sense. You make it sound like he has Amen Thompson broken form
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Are Fultz and DSJ super athletic PGs who shoot the 3 ball at about the same 30% clip that Scoot posted in the G league? Henderson's form isn't as bad as Amen's was when he was drafted, but it's definitely off of the ideal. Some guys are able to make a wonky form work for them, but most don't. I hope Scoot is open to working on what has been a weakness in his game thus far.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
you cut off my quote where I answer this question. I said... "the form on his J is abit off". I then went on to describe exactly how it is off.


Are Fultz and DSJ super athletic PGs who shoot the 3 ball at about the same 30% clip that Scoot posted in the G league? Henderson's form isn't as bad as Amen's was when he was drafted, but it's definitely off of the ideal. Some guys are able to make a wonky form work for them, but most don't. I hope Scoot is open to working on what has been a weakness in his game thus far.

STOMP
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No, DSJ and Fultz never had the shooting success Scoot has had. They're totally different types of prospects, I wouldn't compare them, not sure why you brought up their names.

Scoot shot 43% on catch and shoot 3s in the G league. His jumper is more than fine. It's dangerous messing with guys form, there's a chance it never gets back to as good as it is now. Sure it's maybe worth the risk if it's a broken form or horrible %, but that's not the case with Scoot.

I wouldn't mess with his catch and shoot form. Yeah his footwork, balance, motions on off the dribble threes isn't good and he could consider working on that but I wouldn't mess with the mechanics of his jump shot.
 
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SharpesTriumph said:
No, DSJ and Fultz never had the shooting success Scoot has had. They're totally different types of prospects, I wouldn't compare them, not sure why you brought up their names.

Scoot shot 43% on catch and shoot 3s in the G league.
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It seems you are confusing statistics. Last year in the G League, Scoot shot 27.5% from 3's which is below what DSJ and Fultz have averaged over their respective NBA careers. Of those 3's Henderson made last season, 43% were assisted while 57% were not.

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630703/

Super athletic lotto pick PGs with poor form on their jumpers who have struggled with the deep ball is exactly why I bring up their names.

I wouldn't mess with his catch and shoot form. Yeah his footwork, balance, motions on off the dribble threes isn't good and he could consider working on that but I wouldn't mess with the mechanics of his jump shot.
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He comes across his body with the ball rather then going up with it and releasing it on his dominant shooting hand side. Doing so makes a repeatable motion more difficult. Thus far in his young career, Scoot has struggled from deep. If he is ever going to "mess" with his form and adapt a classic stroke, now is the time.

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Derrick Rose shot 33% from 3pt in his MVP season. I name Rose because I see Scoot's upside as being similar to Rose.
 
Denny Crane said:
Derrick Rose shot 33% from 3pt in his MVP season. I name Rose because I see Scoot's upside as being similar to Rose.
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Scoot and Rose do seem kind of similar

but that 3pt% comp really seems to be missing some context. The average NBA 3ptFG% in 2010-11 (Rose MVP year) was .358. Last season it was .361. Now, that 2010-11 was a little bit of an outlier. The year before the average was .354; and the year after it was .349. Still, percentage-wise there's not a big difference in average 3ptFG% between the two years. However, Rose hitting 33% when the league average is .358 would be a lot better than Scoot hitting 28% when the league average was .361

but the more important context, IMO, is the average number of 3ptFGA's. If you take a three year sample size with Rose's MVP year in the middle, the average number of three's attempted by teams was 18.1-18.2. The average number attempted over the last 3 seasons in 35.5. That's a gap of 17.3 attempts a game

the average 3 year sample for Rose's MVP period for team 3PAr (3pt attempt rate-percentage of FGA's that were three's) was 22.3%. Over the last 3 years, the average team 3PAr has been 39.3%. So, it has increased from 22.3% to 39.3%. That's a 76% increase in 3PAr

meaning that converting three's is a much more important today than it was 12 years ago. In Rose's time 17.5% of made FG's were three's (6.5 out of 37.2). Over the last couple of seasons, 30% of made FG's have been three's. So, Scoot simply matching Rose's 33% on three's won't be the same thing; and the impact would be more negative than it was for Rose

obviously there are ways Scoot can compensate. He could get to the FT line at a high rate. But we know a rookie won't be getting the kinds of calls he will get 5 years from now. Dame's career FT rate is .342. But he didn't come close to that mark until his 5th season. Hopefully, by his 3rd season, Scoot can consistently get to the 35-36% on three's
 
Yeah I guess we can go back to this thread after his first half in his first nba game. He looked worse than even most pessimists will admit.
 
That Harburger analyst brought up D'Angelo Russell as rookie comparison to Scoot's ugly 1st half.
.... I cringed, why bring D'Angelo into any good PG conversation ??? yuck
 
Whyachi said:
That Harburger analyst brought up D'Angelo Russell as rookie comparison to Scoot's ugly 1st half.
.... I cringed, why bring D'Angelo into any good PG conversation ??? yuck
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I think he was trying to be fair by including all the recent top 3 PG's under the age of 19 to start opening night. Which I appreciate, opposed to cherry-picking.
 
FlashWad said:
He also also absolutely needs to be the undisputed point guard of the team. That’s where he thrives. Having him play offball is stupid af.
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I'm not saying this is the case, but would you prefer to only have Scoot play PG even if it meant stunting the growth of other players on the roster?
 
Tince said:
I'm not saying this is the case, but would you prefer to only have Scoot play PG even if it meant stunting the growth of other players on the roster?
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Scoot should be PG and Sharpe should play a ton, mostly at 2. A lot. As long as they're working hard defensively. Everybody else can fit in around them, also as long as they are working hard defensively and not being stupid on offense.
 
I rank our players in terms of importance or development thusly:

Scoot
Sharpe

Ayton

Simons
Williams
Camara
Walker
Thybulle
Murray
Rupert

I don’t care about Brogdon or Grant. I don’t think they’re going to be here long term.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Such as?
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There are endless possibilities. One might be the Scott is unable to get the team into their offense, which in turn means players like Sharpe are unable to get the quality reps because they don't get the ball at the proper time or in the proper position.

My question is meant to ask if Scoot getting maximum minutes/reps outweighs all other team growth
 
Natebishop3 said:
I rank our players in terms of importance or development thusly:

Scoot
Sharpe

Ayton

Simons
Williams
Camara
Walker
Thybulle
Murray
Rupert

I don’t care about Brogdon or Grant. I don’t think they’re going to be here long term.
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Agreed. I may move Thybulle up a couple spots though. Love his defense and and I think he can be a solid shooter as well.
 
Tince said:
There are endless possibilities. One might be the Scott is unable to get the team into their offense, which in turn means players like Sharpe are unable to get the quality reps because they don't get the ball at the proper time or in the proper position.

My question is meant to ask if Scoot getting maximum minutes/reps outweighs all other team growth
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I think Scoot will get the offense going better than anybody else.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Scoot should be PG and Sharpe should play a ton, mostly at 2. A lot. As long as they're working hard defensively. Everybody else can fit in around them, also as long as they are working hard defensively and not being stupid on offense.
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I like that.

But what if Scoot is being stupid on offense? Do we still continue to force action at him, regardless of what it means to everyone else? Do we want him to understand what it's like to play off the ball so he can see those actions/reads from other positions on the court?
 
Phatguysrule said:
I think Scoot will get the offense going better than anybody else.
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That's certainly one of the possible outcomes. As a consistent proponent of putting the best players out there: If he is the best, I want him playing a ton! The "if" part is important to me though, it must be somewhat earned.
 
Tince said:
I like that.

But what if Scoot is being stupid on offense? Do we still continue to force action at him, regardless of what it means to everyone else? Do we want him to understand what it's like to play off the ball so he can see those actions/reads from other positions on the court?
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If he's being stupid you sub him out and talk to him and then put him back in.

We don't need Scoot playing off the ball. He's not a good enough shooter and nobody else is a good enough PG. Except Brogdan, but I think he'll be gone soon.
 
Tince said:
I like that.

But what if Scoot is being stupid on offense? Do we still continue to force action at him, regardless of what it means to everyone else? Do we want him to understand what it's like to play off the ball so he can see those actions/reads from other positions on the court?
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I want him to play through it. The alternative is that Billups sticks him over in the corner and he gets to stand and watch.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I want him to play through it. The alternative is that Billups sticks him over in the corner and he gets to stand and watch.
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Hopefully there are more than those two options. I would be against sticking him in the corner and watching.

Plus, if Brogdon is our best player, we should probably have him at point!
 
Tince said:
Hopefully there are more than those two options. I would be against sticking him in the corner and watching.

Plus, if Brogdon is our best player, we should probably have him at point!
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Never said our best player should be starting. In fact, I said the opposite. I don’t think Simons or Brogdon should start.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Never said our best player should be starting. In fact, I said the opposite. I don’t think Simons or Brogdon should start.
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You must love being bad forever if you don't even want our best player starting. What a culture that would create...

In my world, minutes should be earned, not given.
 
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