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I would agree with you that there are definitely racist Trump supporters. But you're going to extrapolate personal experience out to say that a lot of the 70 million people who voted for Trump are racist? What percentage of the democrats are racist?
dude there confederate flags and swastikas at EVERY trump rally. this are not random occurrences, they are at EVERY FUCKING EVENT. my neighbor with Trump/Pence signs in his yard a few years ago decided to bring out his 5 foot confed flag to wave around while i was out painting my deck, clearly trying to incite shit.

just one of the more in my face events of racism growing up. the subtle ones are even more annoying, but always underlying.

sorry you can't see the forest among the trees or make obvious connections.
 
I would agree with you that there are definitely racist Trump supporters. But you're going to extrapolate personal experience out to say that a lot of the 70 million people who voted for Trump are racist? What percentage of the democrats are racist?
"I would agree with you..." is a weird way of putting it. Its fact. Racists in this country are overwhelmingly Trump/republicans, and everyone knows it. And since they don't do anything about it, they are complicit.
 
"I would agree with you..." is a weird way of putting it. Its fact. Racists in this country are overwhelmingly Trump/republicans, and everyone knows it. And since they don't do anything about it, they are complicit.
not all republicans are racist.

but every fucking racist is republican.
 
dude there confederate flags and swastikas at EVERY trump rally. this are not random occurrences, they are at EVERY FUCKING EVENT. my neighbor with Trump/Pence signs in his yard a few years ago decided to bring out his 5 foot confed flag to wave around while i was out painting my deck, clearly trying to incite shit.

just one of the more in my face events of racism growing up. the subtle ones are even more annoying, but always underlying.

sorry you can't see the forest among the trees or make obvious connections.

I have never been to a Trump event so I guess that explains it lol

My point though, is that there's a difference between the zealot Trump supporters who attend events and drive their trucks around with flags, and the average Republican voter. It's a large leap to just label the majority of 70 million people as racist.

That's like saying that all Democrats are ANTIFA. Do you not see the difference?
 
I have never been to a Trump event so I guess that explains it lol

My point though, is that there's a difference between the zealot Trump supporters who attend events and drive their trucks around with flags, and the average Republican voter. It's a large leap to just label the majority of 70 million people as racist.

That's like saying that all Democrats are ANTIFA. Do you not see the difference?
go back and read what i said. "a lot of them...." I never said all. they were just complicit and let it happen.

read the details of the Muslim ban. Or the children in cages. It should make everyone shudder. But no, they voted for 4 more years of it. What is that except for condoning racism? You want to make a distinction between condoning racism and embodiying it, be my guest.
 
they were just complicit and let it happen.

I would agree with this. People willing to overlook the evils because they thought they were going to get what they want. I would agree with that completely.
 
how many people attend these rallies? 1000? 10000?
You think those people represent the millions of republicans and conservatives???
the fact that they are OK with it should give you pause. Swastikas. At American political rallies is OK with it apparently.
 
I would agree with this. People willing to overlook the evils because they thought they were going to get what they want. I would agree with that completely.
So then what's your issue with CNN talking about it and highlighting it? It should make everyone uncomfortable. We need to normalize it.
 
People generally speaking don't differentiate AP news feeds from editorials.....it's pretty simple when consuming news to see that all news networks use the AP feed...and they all use different leaning editorialists.....one is news...one is opinions....CNN does have liberal editorials and Fox does have conservative editorials....that's not the AP news feed...the AP news feed tells me the weather and any current events that are crossing the airwaves. I'm tired of people talking about editorialists as if they are news anchors...they are not. Bill Maher and Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones are not newsmen....they are not journalists....they are personality jocks
 
What are you basing this on? Where is the data? Is there some poll where they all admit to being racists? Or are we just basing this entirely on perception? That's the danger that I'm talking about and you just proved my point. You're parroting back that most of them are racist, but can you provide any evidence at all to back that up?

It's really easy to dismiss or marginalize or even fear a group of people if you can just label them as evil or bad, and that's the problem right now. These people are being painted as horrible racists, which puts everyone else in a corner because who wants to work with a racist? Who wants to understand a racist? Who wants to find a middle ground with a racist?

To me, from what I have seen, there is a massive misunderstanding of what most of the Trumpers want. The core of what they want. They're nostalgic for the old days. I know most of you grew up during a time where we were told that the USA was the BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. It was hammered in our brains. We were told we were the best at everything. Gas was cheap. A family could live off one income. They want to return to that time. The problem is that we can't return to that time. It's never coming back. I don't think it's necessarily that these people blame POC for this, they just want it to go back. They want things made in America, but they don't understand that an iPhone would be astronomical if slaves didn't make our phones! The genie is out of the bottle. The country needs to evolve. But they have people like Trump telling them that it can go back, and now they have Fox News telling them that the Democrats are out to destroy the country. It's brainwashing.
I think your take is incomplete at best. And denying the racism that well and truly exists in this country is a serious mistake. Sure the MAGAts want “the good old days” back. Don’t we all? But anyone with half a brain knows they are gone and they aren’t coming back. Trump’s America refuses to acknowledge reality and move forward. It’s far too easy to whine, blame others (minorities) for your own shortcomings and to expect the government (they themselves want to reduce) to solve all their problems. They say they want good jobs but they don’t want just “any” job, even if it pays more and provides better benefits than their old jobs. They want their old jobs back. Period. They don’t want to learn something new (and perhaps grow). And when minorities gladly accept those jobs the disgruntled refuse, then the minorities are accused of “taking their jobs”. Magats (like their fearful leader) are stuck in a cycle of blaming everyone and everything for their own refusal to hold themselves at least partially accountable for where they are in life. When they are called out, they are immediately victims of “the cancel culture” (another term for accountability and responsibility). They are their own worst enemies and always will be. Their “leaders” and “news” outlets are simply telling them what they want to hear. They are NOT the root of the problem. They are the fertilizer.

If one thing has been brutally driven home this past year is that racism is alive and well and Donald Trump and his Clown Posse have made it much more acceptable to wear your racism on your sleeve. I have two (formerly close) friends that I have socialized with for years and never had an inkling about how they felt. Apparently, prior to Trump they felt a responsibility to be respectful of others and to keep their vile opinions to themselves. In 2016 it was like a switch was flipped. The “real them” came out. Suddenly it was okay to be racist. They have made it exceedingly clear that they support Trump because he “stands up for” white people. Interestingly, one of those guys is well off and has been pretty much handed everything, while the other guy has had to work for everything he has. And neither has a clue as to what white privilege actually is....and they have absolutely NO interest in learning. Systemic racism has cost me one of those friendships and the other friendship is on life support (only due to the fact that we are blood). Those people who stormed the capital made it clear in interviews that the economy wasn’t a driving force for their discontent. Hell, they could all afford to descend on Washington and create chaos. Their professed goals were to change the election results and to “defend the Constitution” In other words, they have no fucking clue what it is they want other than attention. Stop giving these malcontents, traitors and fascists cover they don’t need or deserve. They are traitors and should be dealt with as such.
 
stand up for Mitt Romney and Liz Cheney..they didn't sell out or become liberals to speak the truth
or hell even Moscow Mitch. It's a sad day when freaking George Bush is a voice of reason. I hated that guy but he's not an overt racist at least and has SOME humanity.

And stop giving Ted Cruz and Jim Jordan platforms to spew their nonsense. Stop letting women from QAnon run (and WIN) Congressional seats on your platform. Call them out!
 
I would agree with you that there are definitely racist Trump supporters. But you're going to extrapolate personal experience out to say that a lot of the 70 million people who voted for Trump are racist? What percentage of the democrats are racist?

I'm not sure why you're pushing so hard against the idea there is racism and that the R party has been a safe harbor for them, under trump. That's obvious

and you need to look no further than the 3 decade campaign of voter suppression by the R's. All these voter ID laws and other tactics like purging voter roles they have used to depress minority voting is institutional racism. Only 1 party has been doing that

but since you seem to have been triggered by CNN talking about reality, perhaps in a hyperbolic way, maybe we can inject a little context into the racism kerfuffle. And I'm just talking from my ignorant perspective

for me, there seems to be 4 levels of race consciousness:

1 - bias
2 - prejudice
3 - bigotry
4 - racism

1- I think everybody on earth has bias. White-black-brown. Maybe there is an exception for the blind (can I say that?). But the first thing we all see is whether or not that person in front of us, is like us. I think bias is rather benign, especially if we acknowledge it about ourselves

2 - bias is the gateway drug to prejudice and prejudice is not benign. It's an easily reached personal failing. And again, the most important tool used against prejudice is to just accept your failure and work to correct it

3- bigotry is willful. It's deliberate. It's being prejudiced and not giving a shit that you are. It's a hateful condition and bigots are fucking assholes

4- Racism is bigotry supported by the power of institutions, government, and conventions. It's bigoted assholes joined together engaging in suppression, hate, propaganda, and denial. That's where the R's come in because they have deliberately used prejudice and bigotry as wedges to secure their own power. Look up the Southern Strategy

yeah, that's mostly out of my colon but it defines where I'm at on this. I'm an old white guy and I know I have bias, and probably prejudice I haven't recognized

and I have to say, I'm not sure why anybody would get real upset by a cable 'news' network conducting a campaign against racism. It's been the scourge of our nation. There was 240 years of slavery prior to the civil war. After the war we launched reconstruction and Jim Crow at the same time we were carrying on partial genocide of our indigenous tribes. Then we had the exploitation of Chinese labor. It took 100 years after the war before we passed a Civil Rights act. We interned the Japanese during WWII.

And now the R's are upset they are tarnished with the racism label after so many of them supported a president who interned people at the southern border and stole children from their parents? really?

if the R's don't want to be labeled racists, then maybe they should jettison racist policies and stop using code-words and racial wedges to try and win elections

finally...fuck all this both sides bullshit because it's false equivalency
 
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I'm not sure why you're pushing so hard against the idea there is racism and that the R party has been a safe harbor for them, under trump. That's obvious

I'm not pushing against that at all. I'm trying to talk people out of labeling all, or a majority of Trump voters as racist.
 
So then what's your issue with CNN talking about it and highlighting it? It should make everyone uncomfortable. We need to normalize it.

Because, as I said in an earlier post, if we start to write off 70 million Americans as racist, what ground does that leave us to work on? There has to be a middle ground. We have to find a way to the middle so things can be accomplished. Or the alternative, as I stated in my first post, is our country being pushed to another civil war because they can't get along.
 
Because, as I said in an earlier post, if we start to write off 70 million Americans as racist, what ground does that leave us to work on? There has to be a middle ground. We have to find a way to the middle so things can be accomplished. Or the alternative, as I stated in my first post, is our country being pushed to another civil war because they can't get along.
the country is being pushed to a civil war because one party is scared that their way of life is changing and lying like mad to their supporters. and the easiest targets to attack are people that don't look/speak/pray like them.

the media is just that. a MEDIUM to convey information. whatever biases they hold, they're not the ones who started it.

your outrage is mistargeted.
 
the country is being pushed to a civil war because one party is scared that their way of life is changing and lying like mad to their supporters. and the easiest targets to attack are people that don't look/speak/pray like them.

the media is just that. a MEDIUM to convey information. whatever biases they hold, they're not the ones who started it.

your outrage is mistargeted.

I watched Fox for a while last night. All I heard was that the democrats are trying to destroy their way of life. It's the Democrats that stole the election (or that's what they're being told), it's the democrats who want to take away their guns, it's the democrats who want to take over the country. Not the Muslims or the brown people. They're building up the Democratic party as the enemy that wants to destroy their way of life.

Meanwhile you're just parroting back exactly what I told you. CNN is telling people the GOP is a bunch of racist Nazis. So both networks are creating a divide that will be difficult to come back from...... and here you are just basically confirming it.
 
I'm not pushing against that at all. I'm trying to talk people out of labeling all, or a majority of Trump voters as racist.

I watch CNN occasionally and I've never seen them say that all trump voters are racist. I can't recall even seeing them suggest a majority are

but trump was a racist and a bigot. And many in his white house and cabinet were too. And trump was the leader of a party that marched in lockstep behind him with very few exceptions. In other words, in a world of rough justice, if you're marching in the racist parade...fuck your feelings

(not talking about you specifically NB)
 
Meanwhile you're just parroting back exactly what I told you. CNN is telling people the GOP is a bunch of racist Nazis. So both networks are creating a divide that will be difficult to come back from...... and here you are just basically confirming it.
lol what are you talking about? did you miss when I posted this:

not all republicans are racist.

but every fucking racist is republican.

what is that first statement?

I'll retract that second one when you show me a Neo Nazi Democratic congressional member.
 
Every Trump supporter is not an explicit racist. But every Trump supporter is either a racist or accepting of racists. Which means you can't complain about being painted with a broad brush. It's a technical distinction without a particularly meaningful difference to say, "Hey, I'm not racist, I'm just willing to support racists in politics."
 
who says some of us dont already do that?

do you have a poll showing this is or is not already the view or stance of many of us non trump supporting conservatives?
dude your question was "what do you propose a non Trump supporting conservative do?"......when you got an answer you say "who says some of us don't do this?".....that's a different question...answer...almost everybody says that....those that already do don't need to ask the first question..
 
the media is just that. a MEDIUM to convey information. whatever biases they hold, they're not the ones who started it.

The media got Trump elected. I'll never forget the 2016 primaries where all they did in debates and otherwise was focus on Donnie. Like why are they giving this clown so much airtime? Front and center in all the debates, making everything about him.
 
The media got Trump elected. I'll never forget the 2016 primaries where all they did in debates and otherwise was focus on Donnie. Like why are they giving this clown so much airtime? Front and center in all the debates, making everything about him.
I think reality tv got Donnie elected...they would've elected Oprah for the same reason...had nothing to do with qualifications...it was tv ratings masked as political ambition
 
Every Trump supporter is not an explicit racist. But every Trump supporter is either a racist or accepting of racists. Which means you can't complain about being painted with a broad brush. It's a technical distinction without a particularly meaningful difference to say, "Hey, I'm not racist, I'm just willing to support racists in politics."

I'm not interested in getting into arguments with you guys about who is what and what the motivations are of every Trump voter. Or even most Trump voters.

What this entire thread is about is how our country is being pitted against one another and the media is exacerbating that problem. Some of the posts in this thread seem to confirm that theory.
 
I'm not interested in getting into arguments with you guys about who is what and what the motivations are of every Trump voter. Or even most Trump voters.

What this entire thread is about is how our country is being pitted against one another and the media is exacerbating that problem. Some of the posts in this thread seem to confirm that theory.
well...we are all connected by some form of media especially here on this forum. it's not the media I think you are having such issues with as the marketing advertisers who pollute it whether it's some TV talking head or his rock star fan....pretty wide range of "media" to control people who are just too lazy to think for themselves. Nobody has to buy the snake oil but it's always been there and always will be...George Carlin has a great bit about how people are mindlessly buying into shit they don't need. Others like our own el presidente here...just want to watch the world burn...maris wants you to realize you are a slave to the deep state and Sly thinks he's a dog....yet this is my crowd...
 
The media got Trump elected. I'll never forget the 2016 primaries where all they did in debates and otherwise was focus on Donnie. Like why are they giving this clown so much airtime? Front and center in all the debates, making everything about him.

I think reality tv got Donnie elected...they would've elected Oprah for the same reason...had nothing to do with qualifications...it was tv ratings masked as political ambition

Didn't the Wikileaks pretty much confirm that Hillary got him elected? She was the one who got him national coverage, which gave him legitimacy and spread his message. I'd have to go back and read it again because it was four years ago, but my understanding was that her campaign felt that he was a beatable candidate with the Democrats split over the primaries.

Their plan was to get him the nomination and then release all the tapes of him saying horrible things.... except by that point it didn't matter because the guy could literally say anything without any consequences. That was my understanding anyway. I might be wrong.
 
Didn't the Wikileaks pretty much confirm that Hillary got him elected? She was the one who got him national coverage, which gave him legitimacy and spread his message. I'd have to go back and read it again because it was four years ago, but my understanding was that her campaign felt that he was a beatable candidate with the Democrats split over the primaries.

Their plan was to get him the nomination and then release all the tapes of him saying horrible things.... except by that point it didn't matter because the guy could literally say anything without any consequences. That was my understanding anyway. I might be wrong.
Hillary was too smug...her sleazy way of beating Bernie hurt her and Comey hurt her in that election...she slept walked through that campaign...Trump was really the "fuck you Hillary" response..Trump started his dog whistle fan base with the birther claims against Obama....he insulted the first black president and that got him a ton of fans who were not happy that a black man was elected...they weren't crazy about a woman getting elected either.....the dems blew it running Hillary anyway...she had too much Bill baggage and the GOP had a ton of dirt on the Clintons going way back.
 
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