Politics Cable news is driving this country towards war

[illmatic99]

But, is it more important that, say, your 401K continues to grow, and gives you a healthy and safe future, at the expense of the poor and the minorities?
Is abortion an all or nothing vote killer, where you can excuse every other deplorable thing thrown out, if abortion is opposed?
Do you feel that it's worth it to sacrifice a bigger chunk of your paycheck to support programs that help out the poor, hungry, old, etc.

There's not a clear answer to it, and people will get called out for their votes. It's ranking your priorities. If you think that ultimately the republican party helps YOU, then vote that way. But if people get upset because your vote shits on others, I think you answer with well, I voted X because it helps me. Or I care more about Y than anything else, so I choose that.

I agree with everything you said, but have to throw pause on this. I paid way more in taxes with Trump at the helm , my 401k growth rate hardly changed from the Obama years, and now that the superficial "cuts" he put in have expired for 2021, I will be paying even more out of pocket. The idea that Trump was actually good for people's bank accounts is such a farce. Not even taking into account the rampant unemployment and decreased quality of life.

People need to actually look at their $ and read the tax plans. They just take what this liar told them at face value and believe for some reason that he is good for their money, all the while paying no taxes himself. The only people who benefited are the top 1%, and there is no fucking way there are that many of his supporters who are in that tax bracket. How he was able to pull wool over so many people's eyes is a testament to their ignorance.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

illmatic99, I'm a White man who is firmly with you. Go to Missouri, Alabama or Georgia and you will see it on steroids. Hawaii seems to be the farthest removed from it.

Alabama is an indelible stain on the American soul. I have never visited a more paranoid, defensive and unfriendly place in my life. They don’t trust anyone or anything. Other than the Naval Museum in Mobile, it was an extremely uncomfortable place to visit. And quite honestly, the only people who showed any kind of friendliness were black.......what a horrid place.

 

[THE HCP]

Alabama is an indelible stain on the American soul. I have never visited a more paranoid, defensive and unfriendly place in my life. They don’t trust anyone or anything. Other than the Naval Museum in Mobile, it was an extremely uncomfortable place to visit. And quite honestly, the only people who showed any kind friendliness were black.......what a horrid place.

I sir was stationed there in the army and can 2nd this statement.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Voting is supporting right?

So when someone around here supports trolling, they would be part of the problem right?

When a poster stalks another poster and makes posts aimed at nothing more than riling another up aNd making false accusations and people support it with a like vote, they are part of the problem.
Would that be an accurate statement?

when people dismiss it, They are accepting it and thus, are part of the problem. This seems to be accurate to me based on the logic here. please correct me if i am wrong?

Sure, if your definition of trolling is a part of a problem.

I think the mods do a pretty good job at dealing with trolling here, so I haven't noticed much of a problem. And since this is an entertainment forum, sometimes a "trolling" style post will be funny. Like a rib between friends. Which might get an upvote.

I don't consider trolling to be a problem in here which could be contributed to.

Do you have an example?

 

[Natebishop3]

illmatic99, I'm a White man who is firmly with you. Go to Missouri, Alabama or Georgia and you will see it on steroids. Hawaii seems to be the farthest removed from it.

Hawaii is flipped the other way. I have friends who live in Hawaii and they have told me that if you're a white guy, there are simply places you do not go or the locals will fuck you up. Her cousin visited from Oregon, didn't listen to her, and ended up getting beaten pretty badly. They don't like the haoles very much there.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Hawaii is flipped the other way. I have friends who live in Hawaii and they have told me that if you're a white guy, there are simply places you do not go or the locals will fuck you up. Her cousin visited from Oregon, didn't listen to her, and ended up getting beaten pretty badly. They don't like the haoles very much there.

Every place has ignorant people. 99% of everything I hear about Hawaii is the people are incredibly nice and helpful.

 

[Haakzilla]

Not to divert the riveting dialogue here, but do these two screenshots support the OP?!



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[Propagandist]

I have never been to a Trump event so I guess that explains it lol

My point though, is that there's a difference between the zealot Trump supporters who attend events and drive their trucks around with flags, and the average Republican voter. It's a large leap to just label the majority of 70 million people as racist.

That's like saying that all Democrats are ANTIFA. Do you not see the difference?

There is a difference. Antifa isn't made up of teachers and police officers and lawyers and politicians like the crowds we saw in DC. And Antifa, whether you like them or not, are after fascists not members of the House. They'll punch a Nazi, but they aren't sporting much anti-Semitic merch or Confederate flags...

The "zealot Trump supporters" aren't some fringe group. Besides, anyone who supported him, pretty much ever, supported a known racist, sexist bully. I really think that says something about them. That was my issue with my parents jumping on the Trump Train... They have granddaughters! my daughters! The message was clear: all that stuff we told you about being strong, independent women was just talk.

I'm a once-Southerner. My incredibly normal-seeming relatives--bankers, salesmen, college employees, etc--people who I guarantee people would consider true and good Americans, are racist af. Sure that's anecdotal, but it is so universal, I feel comfortable that it extends in a similar trajectory beyond my experiences...

During the BLM protests, when the nation's attention turned to the Confederate flag, I was in Sisters for a bit. I was strolling a gravel road between properties and a neighbor walked over from attending to some field irrigation to talk over the barbed wire fence. Never would he consider himself racist. He is a super caring, giving, thoughtful, kind man. But when the subject of the flag (and the statues) was broached (by him), he really felt passionately that "people need to learn their history!" It was one of those times you just narrow your eyes for a moment (sort of awaiting an indication that it's a joke) and then switch the subject.

I think the deal is is that isn't your grandfather's racism. Racism is a lot more nuanced (and prevalent) that we care to admit, and it informs how people think and act and VOTE.

 

[Propagandist]

Not to divert the riveting dialogue here, but do these two screenshots support the OP?!

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Holy shit. On cue, my mother sent me a message, and I'll quote: "Antifa is burning the DEMOCRATIC headquarters in Portland... Do you want to stay here for a few days?" Her news source? Fox News, of course.

 

[Haakzilla]

Holy shit. On cue, my mother sent me a message, and I'll quote: "Antifa is burning the DEMOCRATIC headquarters in Portland... Do you want to stay here for a few days?" Her news source? Fox News, of course.

...its really astonishing that Antifa is now attached to any violent protest-- they attached it to BLM to completely minimize the movement now they are equating Antifa to Anarchists (two totally different ideologies) to fan the flames even more. I guess the OP is correct in laying most blame on MSM for pumping these false narratives about Antifa

 

[Propagandist]

The post above is 100% a passive aggressive troll post aimed at trying to get me going.
It requires context to be considered. Like how he has falsely accused me of going after his job.
He mentions being monitored now.
Its a loaded post with a sole goal of instigating drama.
Ive been told by several members im not allowed to joke with hcp. Including by hcp himself. But no one says anything to him when he comes at me. They only bitch at me if i respond.
He has point blank told me to steer clear of him here or else.
But then comes back at me on the regular.

this behavior is supported by members and mods as evidenced by members pig piling on me and the likes posts like that get.

this is just one of many examples. I can provide more when im not at work if you like...


Im often bitched at for ruining threads but no one says a word to him for this type of harrassment(read the subsequent posts of his directed at me) and thread derailing...


I get trolling jabs between friends, but we are not friends, nor acquaintances.

Yo, brother. I thought we are all forum friends... and like my grandmother used to say: you can choose your real world friends, but your born with your forum friends...

 

[illmatic99]

Holy shit. On cue, my mother sent me a message, and I'll quote: "Antifa is burning the DEMOCRATIC headquarters in Portland... Do you want to stay here for a few days?" Her news source? Fox News, of course.

did you correct her? what was her response?

 

[RR7]

Yo, brother. I thought we are all forum friends... and like my grandmother used to say: you can choose your real world friends, but your born with your forum friends...

Your grandmother stole that from abe Lincoln

 

[Natebishop3]

Fox is definitely making things worse.

 

[Propagandist]

did you correct her? what was her response?

I said: I know, we would've burned it all down if the police didn't show up...

 

[calvin natt]

what is even happening right now? i feel like every couple days i read the same thing from OB, what am I missing? i feel like im losing my mind sometimes.

 

[Propagandist]

did you correct her? what was her response?

Seriously though...I CANNOT get through to her. You can trust me when I say I have really really tried to get through to her. For years, I've tried. It's like she's been radicalized. Hopefully that will change now that the god emperor is out of office, but who tf knows.

 

[THE HCP]

Your grandmother stole that from abe Lincoln

Damn, she’s THAT old!!??

 

[THE HCP]

what is even happening right now? i feel like every couple days i read the same thing from OB, what am I missing? i feel like im losing my mind sometimes.

It’s like Groundhogs Day

 

[Minstrel]

The way I see this place is the online equivalent of a bar with a Blazers game on. Nearly everyone there has a thing that unites them (interest in the Blazers and hoping the Blazers win) but they have differing personalities, beliefs and standards. So not everyone in that bar is going to be "friends" even if they pull together to root for the Blazers. A lot of random conversations will spring up and some people will find others' ideas and beliefs annoying or repulsive. I don't understand how the expectation could be that literally everyone in this hypothetical bar (or in this mostly-real forum) could be friends or really like each other. Is that your expectation when you go into a bar?

Talk to the people you want to talk to, ignore people that you dislike talking to. Everyone here knows how to do that since that's what one does in real life. Pretend this is real life.

 

[THE HCP]

The way I see this place is the online equivalent to a bar with a Blazers game on. Nearly everyone there has a thing that unites them (interest in the Blazers and hoping the Blazers win) but they have differing personalities, beliefs and standards. So not everyone in that bar is going to be "friends" even if they pull together to root for the Blazers. A lot of random conversations will spring up and some people will find others' ideas and beliefs annoying or repulsive. I don't understand how the expectation could be that literally everyone in this hypothetical bar (or in this mostly-real forum) could be friends or really like each other. Is that your expectation when you go into a bar?

Talk to the people you want to talk to, ignore people that you dislike talking to. Everyone here knows how to do that since that's what one does in real life. Pretend this is real life.

This post should be engraved into the wall in the lobby at S2’s headquarters ...... or Sky’s living room. Easily one of the top 5 posts ever in the history of this dump! Bravo to you FAMS...... bravo.

 

[Propagandist]

may i ask what you think the real life scenario would be when a group of people or even a person is sitting discussing things with a person and some one else comes over, jumps in and starts harrassing that other person?

That other person bitches about it and then moves on to another portion of the bar, only to find out the other guy is following him around the bar looking to harrass more?

Eventually dude is gonna haul off and sock the guy who keeps harassing him, or find a new bar.

In this instance there arent any other bars, so if the guy wants a drink, he has to endure continual harassment.

This is an acceptable scenario for you?

So sticking with this bar theme, what would you propose?

My answer would be to drink more. Haha.

 

[Minstrel]

may i ask what you think the real life scenario would be when a group of people or even a person is sitting discussing things with a person and some one else comes over, jumps in and starts harrassing that other person?

That other person bitches about it and then moves on to another portion of the bar, only to find out the other guy is following him around the bar looking to harrass more?

Eventually dude is gonna haul off and sock the guy who keeps harassing him, or find a new bar.

In this instance there arent any other bars, so if the guy wants a drink, he has to endure continual harassment.

This is an acceptable scenario for you?

So sticking with this bar theme, what would you propose?

I don't agree with your analogy. If you simply stopped engaging with the people you dislike, you wouldn't have a problem. You want to go back and forth with people, argue with them incessantly AND complain that they won't leave you alone.

The correct analogy would be someone occasionally tosses some trash talk your way, you keep engaging them and fighting with them and then say that you're being continually harassed. You even sometimes jump into conversations between other people and insist that something someone said was really a shot at you. That's not being stalked.

Take responsibility for your own actions. It takes two to have a feud and you've definitely spent lots of time prosecuting your side of it.

 

[RR7]

Honest question, why don't you just put him on ignore?

 

[Minstrel]

i dont agree with yours and its why i claim bias
i left this place for a while to fond out dude was talking shit while i was gone even.

No it doesnt happen ofrne anymore but used to happen on a daily basis.

He also chased bones around the forum harrassing him.


Its convenient posts get deleted so there is no proof of this, so i cant prove it. I only ask you to beleive the person who has been targeted considering im sure you dont see every post but i see every posted im quoted in.

Or are you saying my analogy is incorrect because you know for a fact because you see every post and so you know he didnt do it every day for the longest time?

Ww have both asked watch other to leave watch other alone. But who keeps quoting who?

There should be zero posts aimed at me considering the very serious claims that have been made and not taken back.

So you aRe correct in that it doesn't happen much anymore. But it used to on the daily and no one said anything then either. Hence my continual growing frustration.

i have 100% taken responsibility for my actions here. The problem is its never acknowledged and the other side never does....

But i get it.

No one here is willing to say that if hcp stopped harrassing people who dont want to be harassed, this would be a better place.

Anyhow, you win. He wins. The forum wins.

Try an experiment. Never respond to him OR refer to him. Ever. If he quotes you, ignore it. If he mentions you, ignore it. If he says something you're completely sure refers to you, ignore it.

See what happens.

As RR7 says, this would be even easier to do if you use the Ignore function on him and anyone else you don't like talking to.

 

[THE HCP]

Honest question, why don't you just put him on ignore?

I could not imagine this place without @THE HCP ! Honestly.

 

[Minstrel]

I could not imagine this place without @THE HCP ! Honestly.

I could. I'd have to look up my own Zion stats, basically.

 

[Propagandist]

Problem will be solved shortly.

Uh.....................................?

 

[riverman]

I could not imagine this place without @THE HCP ! Honestly.

Mrs HCP pays very well to those of us who keep you engaged here and "like" your posts.....I consider it part of the terms of my community service....!

 

[illmatic99]

wtf just happened?