Call it now--who won the Simmons/Harden trade?

[GDiama]

I agree with the below. I don't understand why wait when you have a chance to go for it now. From the players available nobody else would give them that chance for the next 1.5 years, only Harden. We have 100 threads about how to build a contender and we blame Morey for building a legit one in the 12 months he is in charge.

 

[PDXFonz]

This was a bigger plus for 76ers and interesting for the Nets. Must have been a lot of pressure and feelings of under performance surrounding the Nets FO.

Doesn’t seem like a bad trade for either team. Both could come away having benefited from it. But I think it’s more likely that we see Philly being the team talked about. Because if Harden ends up putting them over their hump then this trade will be credited for it.

They were really getting nothing out of Simmons this year. Drummond is a bigger loss for them in that regard. So I’d say trading Drummond for Harden is a pretty solid deal for Philly in terms of how this trade improves their odds of competing this season.

Drummond is a FA next year too I think. Another plus for Philly in this regard.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

maybe

but from Philly's perspective they traded Curry, Drumond, and a couple of late first round picks for Harden. Simmons was just salary filler who was never going to play for them again. That's a pretty good return for 2 role players

Very good point. Philly did at least get something.

 

[James lamphear]

Number either of these guys haven't took anyone to NBA championships. Both players quit on there teams and Harden has done it twice now I hope that fool never win a championships. I think the nets won due to Simmons more team player then Harden plus a way better defender.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

The amount of hate people have for Harden here is kinda funny.

For people saying Harden hasn't taken his team to a title, he made it to the finals on a team. When is the last time we have been there?

This is a good trade for both teams. Harden is the best player in the deal.

 

[blazerkor]

This was a bigger plus for 76ers and interesting for the Nets. Must have been a lot of pressure and feelings of under performance surrounding the Nets FO.

Doesn’t seem like a bad trade for either team. Both could come away having benefited from it. But I think it’s more likely that we see Philly being the team talked about. Because if Harden ends up putting them over their hump then this trade will be credited for it.

They were really getting nothing out of Simmons this year. Drummond is a bigger loss for them in that regard. So I’d say trading Drummond for Harden is a pretty solid deal for Philly in terms of how this trade improves their odds of competing this season.

Drummond is a FA next year too I think. Another plus for Philly in this regard.

Seth was easily their biggest loss, dude started every game he played this season (45) and is averaging 15 ppg 4 apg and 3 rpg... obviously Harden playing the same position will offset those losses by quite a bit but Seth was the biggest contributor that they lost and for a team like the Nets who just don't have a lot of NBA rotation players on their roster, Seth is a huge get.

We can make light of it all we want because Simmons hasn't contributed anything this year but this guy has all nba credentials and just last season was the runner up for DPOY. I know up until this point in his career he has operated a lot as the instigator of his team's offense but from here on out I hope his team plays him the right way. He's a freak athlete, he's listed at 6'11" with a 7 foot wingspan at 240lbs, he gets to the hole at will. This guy has to start being the roll man in a pick and roll and a cutter but one that can make the right pass at any time. This has been obvious for a while but he's had to play with Embiid. He will be better than ever in Brooklyn and as long as the vaccine mandates are lifted by playoff time, it's a really close race between the two teams in this trade for Eastern Conference supremacy, no offense to the defending champs.

 

[blazerkor]

The amount of hate people have for Harden here is kinda funny.

For people saying Harden hasn't taken his team to a title, he made it to the finals on a team. When is the last time we have been there?

This is a good trade for both teams. Harden is the best player in the deal.

Harden is the best player in the deal and that's why Morey had to pay up but make no mistake about it, Ben Simmons is the most valuable player in this deal. The guy is seven years younger than Harden and is locked up for the next three seasons after this one whereas Harden is most likely a UFA who in order to keep him you're going to have to give him a deal that in it's final years is like a Wall or Westbrook type of thing.

That being said, if the Sixers win a chip this season or next, it will all have been worth it. Also Morey held out and got one of the two or three guys he wanted and the top guy he wanted out of the three I think... he might have wanted Dame more.

Oh and I'm really hoping that the Sixers start Harden, Thybulle, Green, Harris and Embiid... that's a lethal lineup and allows Maxey to come off the bench for instant offense.

 

[Scalma]

Harden is cancer and not the player he was. Nets

 

[bigbailes]

Morey is extremely lucky that Harden got disgruntled in Brooklyn. Think about all the things that had to happen to make this trade go down. I seriously wonder how long DM would have sat on Simmons if Harden doesn't fall into his lap. Right after the trade I felt like the Nets made out like bandits, then later in the night thought both teams did really well, but after sleeping on it I realized the ASSHOLES WON ... all three assholes in this scenario got what they wanted and that's sad.

 

[illmatic99]

Saw this referenced a few times, but it's shocking that Harden has yet to win a championship with the kinda teammates he's had:

Durant - 2x
Westbrook
Howard in his prime
Chris Paul
Kyrie (sorta)

now, Embiid.

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://thesportsrush.com/nba-news-...he-trade-a-day-before-it-became-official/?amp


“Just gave James Harden a lap dance, and he told me he’s a Sixer!”: A Brooklyn stripper claims that the former Nets’ star told her about the trade a day before it became official

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Saw this referenced a few times, but it's shocking that Harden has yet to win a championship with the kinda teammates he's had:

Durant - 2x
Westbrook
Howard in his prime
Chris Paul
Kyrie (sorta)

now, Embiid.

What's even crazier is that Dame hasn't won a championship, with all of the allstar teammates he's had.... oh wait.

 

[BlazerWookee]

We did. No more "we should trade for Simmons" talk.

Plys, we didn't get Harden.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

We did. No more "we should trade for Simmons" talk.

Plys, we didn't get Harden.

My friend, I'm so sorry, but the "Philly should have traded for CJ, instead" talk is about to heat up!

 

[MickZagger]

We did. No more "we should trade for Simmons" talk.

Plys, we didn't get Harden.

Who you think will make us a contender if added to the team?

 

[MickZagger]

The amount of hate people have for Harden here is kinda funny.

For people saying Harden hasn't taken his team to a title, he made it to the finals on a team. When is the last time we have been there?

This is a good trade for both teams. Harden is the best player in the deal.

He’s 33 and hasn’t dominated shit this year. Isn’t getting 20 FT attempts a game anymore.

Remember his disappearing act during that lone finals? It was epic. On par with a young Simmons in the playoffs.

 

[MickZagger]

This bengals defense has got no pub this year. They’re solid all around. I know all about them because they have 3 solid contributors who were on my Saints last year.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

He’s 33 and hasn’t dominated shit this year. Isn’t getting 20 FT attempts a game anymore.

Remember his disappearing act during that lone finals? It was epic. On par with a young Simmons in the playoffs.

Hopefully we can bamboozle someone to give us what Harden got when we trade Dame then. Father time is undefeated.

I think Harden will ball out the rest of this year though.

 

[MickZagger]

Hopefully we can bamboozle someone to give us what Harden got when we trade Dame then. Father time is undefeated.

I think Harden will ball out the rest of this year though.

I think we could fetch something similar honestly. I just hope the Blazer brass does it before it’s too late. Hope it’s not some kind of Otis Thorpe type return.

 

[STOMP]

My friend, I'm so sorry, but the "Philly should have traded for CJ, instead" talk is about to heat up!

I'm in the Phili got absolutely hosed camp. Unless Simmons is known to be damaged goods off the court, I don't understand why they gave up so much for James. I completely agree that they should have gone for some mix of CJ + Little and not additionally giving up the future with their picks in return for Ben... thats a better collection of talent around their true star Embiid. Harden is not the sort I'd want to try to build around... John Wooden quotes spring to mind. And youth not being on Harden's his side, they've the added pressure of win right now.

STOMP

 

[BlazerWookee]

Who you think will make us a contender if added to the team?

Mike Barrett.

 

[Hoopguru]

I'm in the Phili got absolutely hosed camp. Unless Simmons is known to be damaged goods off the court, I don't understand why they gave up so much for James. I completely agree that they should have gone for some mix of CJ + Little and not additionally giving up the future with their picks in return for Ben... thats a better collection of talent around their true star Embiid. Harden is not the sort I'd want to try to build around... John Wooden quotes spring to mind. And youth not being on Harden's his side, they've the added pressure of win right now.

STOMP

I think James if healthy give Philly a legit shot at beating Milwaukee.
If he helps them win a cship Philly got the best deal. Long term Brook, unless Simmons cant handle the NY press and wants to take his ball and go home.

 

[MickZagger]

Mike Barrett.

Too much make-up.

 

[Blazinaway]

Harden can opt out and likely wants the Max - if given could easily become the worse contract of all time

 

[Pinwheel1]

Doc and Harden do not look like a good fit. So Doc will be replaced. But I can see Harden playing well in Philly for this year....only

Overall it was a good trade for the Nets.

 

[illmatic99]

I never realized how unprofessional Harden was. Dude is a bigger diva than we give him credit for. Dude just goes to Vegas whenever his team flies to Utah and routinely shows up late when they're in LA, etc etc. And it seems Morey enabled all this behavior in Houston. No wonder CP hated him.



Harden played against the Phoenix Suns in primetime Feb. 1, but that next night in Sacramento—which proved to be his final game in a Nets uniform—it became obvious to Brooklyn staffers that he was offering minimal effort, even less than he had in that subpar performance in Minnesota. He took just 11 shots and had more turnovers (six) than points (four).

When the Nets arrived in Utah for their fourth game of a five-game trip, members of the traveling party were openly discussing their desire to swap Harden for Simmons. Staffers and players had grown frustrated by the special treatment granted to Brooklyn's superstars, sources said.

Before Durant and Irving chose the Nets as free agents in 2019, Marks had constantly sold his vision of a culture rooted in family, an accountability to each other, an idea that nobody was bigger than the collective goal. That ethos had evaporated by early February.

"The temperature of the room said, 'It's their world, and we're living in it,'" one person who was present that evening said.


Harden didn't arrive at the Jazz game until halftime, sources told B/R. When it concluded and Brooklyn continued with its planned itinerary to Denver, Harden flew to Las Vegas, sources said.

When asked to confirm the account, one person close to Harden chuckled before responding, "That sure sounds like James, doesn't it?"

The short flight from Salt Lake City has made for frequent Vegas getaways for Harden dating back to his Rockets tenure, sources said. He would also stay behind following trips to Los Angeles and meet the team at its next destination. Daryl Morey afforded Russell Westbrook the same frequent flight privileges as Harden. And the Sunday before this year's trade deadline, Harden returned from Vegas to Denver but showed up late for the Nuggets game as well.

Brooklyn figures still wanted to trust Harden. They needed him healthy for their inevitable run at the championship that everyone had pledged to make together. By all accounts, Durant maintained that faith as long as he could. "Kevin always had a hope that this situation could get better," one source close to Harden said.

That is until Harden finally voiced what he'd been telling confidants for some time. He wanted to be traded to Philadelphia. He arrived on the Nets bench well past tipoff for the Boston Celtics game that Tuesday. Harden left Brooklyn on Wednesday and retreated to his old stomping grounds in Houston once more. While Durant and management labored over the Nets' impending conversations with the 76ers, Harden stepped into another night of clubbing.

"He knew [the trade] was gonna go down," the source close to Harden said.

 

[Natebishop3]

I never realized how unprofessional Harden was. Dude is a bigger diva than we give him credit for. Dude just goes to Vegas whenever his team flies to Utah and routinely shows up late when they're in LA, etc etc. And it seems Morey enabled all this behavior in Houston. No wonder CP hated him.



Harden played against the Phoenix Suns in primetime Feb. 1, but that next night in Sacramento—which proved to be his final game in a Nets uniform—it became obvious to Brooklyn staffers that he was offering minimal effort, even less than he had in that subpar performance in Minnesota. He took just 11 shots and had more turnovers (six) than points (four).

When the Nets arrived in Utah for their fourth game of a five-game trip, members of the traveling party were openly discussing their desire to swap Harden for Simmons. Staffers and players had grown frustrated by the special treatment granted to Brooklyn's superstars, sources said.

Before Durant and Irving chose the Nets as free agents in 2019, Marks had constantly sold his vision of a culture rooted in family, an accountability to each other, an idea that nobody was bigger than the collective goal. That ethos had evaporated by early February.

"The temperature of the room said, 'It's their world, and we're living in it,'" one person who was present that evening said.


Harden didn't arrive at the Jazz game until halftime, sources told B/R. When it concluded and Brooklyn continued with its planned itinerary to Denver, Harden flew to Las Vegas, sources said.

When asked to confirm the account, one person close to Harden chuckled before responding, "That sure sounds like James, doesn't it?"

The short flight from Salt Lake City has made for frequent Vegas getaways for Harden dating back to his Rockets tenure, sources said. He would also stay behind following trips to Los Angeles and meet the team at its next destination. Daryl Morey afforded Russell Westbrook the same frequent flight privileges as Harden. And the Sunday before this year's trade deadline, Harden returned from Vegas to Denver but showed up late for the Nuggets game as well.

Brooklyn figures still wanted to trust Harden. They needed him healthy for their inevitable run at the championship that everyone had pledged to make together. By all accounts, Durant maintained that faith as long as he could. "Kevin always had a hope that this situation could get better," one source close to Harden said.

That is until Harden finally voiced what he'd been telling confidants for some time. He wanted to be traded to Philadelphia. He arrived on the Nets bench well past tipoff for the Boston Celtics game that Tuesday. Harden left Brooklyn on Wednesday and retreated to his old stomping grounds in Houston once more. While Durant and management labored over the Nets' impending conversations with the 76ers, Harden stepped into another night of clubbing.

"He knew [the trade] was gonna go down," the source close to Harden said.

The dude got fat and that's all you need to know. I'd love to see him and Zion in a pie eating contest.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

and some want to trade Lillard?

I never realized how unprofessional Harden was. Dude is a bigger diva than we give him credit for. Dude just goes to Vegas whenever his team flies to Utah and routinely shows up late when they're in LA, etc etc. And it seems Morey enabled all this behavior in Houston. No wonder CP hated him.



Harden played against the Phoenix Suns in primetime Feb. 1, but that next night in Sacramento—which proved to be his final game in a Nets uniform—it became obvious to Brooklyn staffers that he was offering minimal effort, even less than he had in that subpar performance in Minnesota. He took just 11 shots and had more turnovers (six) than points (four).

When the Nets arrived in Utah for their fourth game of a five-game trip, members of the traveling party were openly discussing their desire to swap Harden for Simmons. Staffers and players had grown frustrated by the special treatment granted to Brooklyn's superstars, sources said.

Before Durant and Irving chose the Nets as free agents in 2019, Marks had constantly sold his vision of a culture rooted in family, an accountability to each other, an idea that nobody was bigger than the collective goal. That ethos had evaporated by early February.

"The temperature of the room said, 'It's their world, and we're living in it,'" one person who was present that evening said.


Harden didn't arrive at the Jazz game until halftime, sources told B/R. When it concluded and Brooklyn continued with its planned itinerary to Denver, Harden flew to Las Vegas, sources said.

When asked to confirm the account, one person close to Harden chuckled before responding, "That sure sounds like James, doesn't it?"

The short flight from Salt Lake City has made for frequent Vegas getaways for Harden dating back to his Rockets tenure, sources said. He would also stay behind following trips to Los Angeles and meet the team at its next destination. Daryl Morey afforded Russell Westbrook the same frequent flight privileges as Harden. And the Sunday before this year's trade deadline, Harden returned from Vegas to Denver but showed up late for the Nuggets game as well.

Brooklyn figures still wanted to trust Harden. They needed him healthy for their inevitable run at the championship that everyone had pledged to make together. By all accounts, Durant maintained that faith as long as he could. "Kevin always had a hope that this situation could get better," one source close to Harden said.

That is until Harden finally voiced what he'd been telling confidants for some time. He wanted to be traded to Philadelphia. He arrived on the Nets bench well past tipoff for the Boston Celtics game that Tuesday. Harden left Brooklyn on Wednesday and retreated to his old stomping grounds in Houston once more. While Durant and management labored over the Nets' impending conversations with the 76ers, Harden stepped into another night of clubbing.

"He knew [the trade] was gonna go down," the source close to Harden said.

 

[Natebishop3]

and some want to trade Lillard?

I mean.... I don't want to trade him.... but I think it's the right move for him and for us.

 

[PCmor7]