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crandc said:
Sorry, but just stating a fact.
"Real America" as defined by Trumpers are white, Christian, straight, not artists, not college educated, don't live in major cities, West coast, New York or Massachusetts. That's not my reality, it's theirs.
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Well now we all know you have something in common with Trump.


Hoopguru said:
Bingo
And segregation is now alive and well on campuses. It’s going backwards rather than coming together with some common ground or give and take.
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Pretty much. It's all about being the loudest now. Very few people on either side wish to hear the other. They just wish to drown out the other with their own nonsense.
Thankfully the next generations don't see the world this way yet.
 
crandc said:
Sorry, but just stating a fact.
"Real America" as defined by Trumpers are white, Christian, straight, not artists, not college educated, don't live in major cities, West coast, New York or Massachusetts. That's not my reality, it's theirs.
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That's baloney, I know many whites, blacks,asians, hispanics, women and men of different religions or none at all that, are Real Americans form both the midwest and south/se that voted for Trump as they didnt want Hillary. Theses are people Ive known for years and some family members, and thats not how they would and they are Real American's. Why play the segregation divisive card all the time. Try and find some common ground and maybe give and take with a few of your American Neighbors. It doesn't always have to be about politics.
 
Hoopguru said:
You actually work for someone else?
I figured you as self employed a free lance consultant?
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Ah, you got me all wrong. I'm a working man, been collecting a paycheck since I was 16.
I used to be a Teamster, bet you didn't figure that either.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Ah, you got me all wrong. I'm a working man, been collecting a paycheck since I was 16.
I used to be a Teamster, bet you didn't figure that either.

barfo
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I always just pictured you as Walter White. Minus the lung cancer.

(Let's not even bring up the subject of Lupus. This forum can't take that again.)
 
jonnyboy said:
Ok, now you’re just making shit up.
Could you send me a link to the Trumpers, LLC website so I can read their mission statement with all this crazy shit in it?
I think your own divisiveness is being mistaken for that of others. Or at the very least, you’re doing you’re best to match any prejudices you perceive with more stereotypes and prejudices.
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Don't look to a mission statement to define the Trump cult, look to Trump's early morning tweets while he sits on the throne.
 
For three years we have heard a stream of non-stop insults and slurs from the occupant of the white house, but those who protest are divisive? Oldest trick in the book. I call bullshit.

I am a Warren supporter myself, but if Trumpers call Sanders a communist, he can just point out he is not the one kissing the ass of Putin and Kim Jong Un.
 
crandc said:
Sorry, but just stating a fact.
"Real America" as defined by Trumpers are white, Christian, straight, not artists, not college educated, don't live in major cities, West coast, New York or Massachusetts. That's not my reality, it's theirs.
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You're spewing it, it's yours. Own it.
barfo said:
Ah, you got me all wrong. I'm a working man, been collecting a paycheck since I was 16.
I used to be a Teamster, bet you didn't figure that either.

barfo
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I totally had you pegged as a Teamster. That's why I've been scared to engage you in debate all these years...
 
crandc said:
I am a Warren supporter myself, but if Trumpers call Sanders a communist, he can just point out he is not the one kissing the ass of Putin and Kim Jong Un.
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He could, lots of people are being disingenuous about many things, including in this thread.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I totally had you pegged as a Teamster. That's why I've been scared to engage you in debate all these years...
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Well, yeah. Ya don't want to end up at the bottom of the river, do ya?

barfo
 
crandc said:
Also figure in Jewish Americans are largely urban, largely college educated, both things "real Americans" are not.
And don't support Trump.
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Effete snobbery bemuses me, in a sad and pathetic way.

Here's a guy who looks at things in a Real American way:


The monthly magazine of opinion. Subscribe

February 1960
Jews in Rural America

by Our Readers
To the Editor:

I read with great interest the article by Louise Laser (“The Only Jewish Family in Town,” December 1959). We have lived for some time in communities where Jews were considered rarities. We are now entering our second year in Pullman, Washington, a college town and grain shipping terminus with a year-round population of 6,000. There are eight Jewish families here, all connected with Washington State University. We have never (in the last ten years) had more than ten Jewish students at a time.

Communities of this sort offer a singular challenge to the Jew. . . . Here in the West—in a community with a “genuinely rural culture”—we have found an intelligence, an honesty, and a frank naivety which could not be approximated in the city. While it is easy to pass off the rural student as “low academic level,” effort on the part of the teacher reveals a great native intelligence, which must be exploited and matured. . . . If properly handled, he becomes more than a match for his big-city cousin. While I do not make accusations at Mrs. Laser, I feel that all too frequently committed Jews in the academic profession seek only the Jewish student, the alert, and frequently over-aggressive competitor for a berth in medical school or law school, and tend to ignore the mediocre, regardless of religion. Yet the brilliant student tends to train himself. Lifting the mediocre to a higher status represents the real challenge of teaching. . . .

There is much that the Jew can receive from American rural tradition, and it is easy for him to become part of it, without sacrificing one iota of his Jewishness. We have our “little synagogue” here, though sometimes it meets in the Methodist church and sometimes in the Presbyterian. Our public schools had a Chanukah observance this year, and mention is always made of the High Holy Days. We have a regular Hebrew and Sunday school, and indeed, our Hebrew teacher is a full voting member of the local Ministerial Association.

The moral is quite simple. Rather than spend our apprenticeship in academic “Siberia” and then move back into the “ghetto-college” environment, I would consider it a duty for Jewish academicians to work toward a dispersal of Jewish faculties and students. To remain in Siberia and make it into “utopia” is indeed a challenge, but if our Jewish virtues are what we think they are, why should we deny them to rural America?

Gerald M. Phillips
Pullman, Washington
 
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crandc said:
Sorry, but just stating a fact.
"Real America" as defined by Trumpers are white, Christian, straight, not artists, not college educated, don't live in major cities, West coast, New York or Massachusetts. That's not my reality, it's theirs.
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BULLSHIT. :cheers:
 
BrianFromWA said:
You're spewing it, it's yours. Own it.

I totally had you pegged as a Teamster. That's why I've been scared to engage you in debate all these years...
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Barfo has two things going for him, he's mean and he's got a long memory. Don't cross that guy. Ask me how I lost my hand and got this ugly scar across my face.
 
I believe a Bernie/Trump race would be much closer than it should be. Mainly because too many misinformed voters are snorting Bernie's faulty platform like their snorting free cocaine off of Jessica Alba's tits.

The Dem party knows Bernie's platform will not work, and it would destroy our country. That is why the Dems have done everything they can to stop Bernie.

Bernie's platform is what has taken Venezuela from one of the richest countries in the world, to ruin.

Bernie's platform is what is keeping Cuba a very poor third world country.

Bernie's platform is NOT what the nordic countries are using, despite Bernie's lying claims. Many of the nordic countries are moving away from the socialist programs they did try. Because they could not afford them. Heck, they do not even have minimum wage laws.

So many people are upset about politicians that stretch the truth. The thruth is, Bernie is selling the biggest lie, the most harmful lie of them all.


One side of me wants Bernie to run. This would expose his huge lies, and stop this socialism nonsense. The other side of me hopes the Dems find a respectable moderate candidate that can win and reunite our country.
 
oldfisherman said:
I believe a Bernie/Trump race would be much closer than it should be. Mainly because too many misinformed voters are snorting Bernie's faulty platform like their snorting free cocaine off of Jessica Alba's tits.

The Dem party knows Bernie's platform will not work, and it would destroy our country. That is why the Dems have done everything they can to stop Bernie.

Bernie's platform is what has taken Venezuela from one of the richest countries in the world, to ruin.

Bernie's platform is what is keeping Cuba a very poor third world country.

Bernie's platform is NOT what the nordic countries are using, despite Bernie's lying claims. Many of the nordic countries are moving away from the socialist programs they did try. Because they could not afford them. Heck, they do not even have minimum wage laws.

So many people are upset about politicians that stretch the truth. The thruth is, Bernie is selling the biggest lie, the most harmful lie of them all.


One side of me wants Bernie to run. This would expose his huge lies, and stop this socialism nonsense. The other side of me hopes the Dems find a respectable moderate candidate that can win and reunite our country.
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Right on About the Nordic countries, they even have lower Corp tax than here as they don’t want to kill the golden goose.
 
oldfisherman said:
The Dem party knows Bernie's platform will not work, and it would destroy our country. That is why the Dems have done everything they can to stop Bernie.
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The Democratic party establishment is less keen on Sanders because they think his rhetoric makes him less electable. It has nothing to do with fear of a "Bernie agenda."

What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that we elect Presidents, not emperors. No matter which Democratic candidate ends up elected (if one does), the results would be highly similar because Presidents can't act unilaterally on sweeping legislation (executive orders can't put in place universal health care or much else that doesn't deal with enforcement of existing laws and regulations). Anything a Democratic President wanted enacted would have to pass both houses of Congress, which puts huge restraints on what can be passed. Any Democratic President, whether that's Biden or Sanders, would look very similar in office--presiding over moderately left-of-center legislation coming out of the House that would only become law if Democrats also win the Senate. The only thing that would be different is what each President advocated for in rallies and press conferences.
 
Minstrel said:
The Democratic party establishment is less keen on Sanders because they think his rhetoric makes him less electable. It has nothing to do with fear of a "Bernie agenda."

What a lot of people don't seem to understand is that we elect Presidents, not emperors. No matter which Democratic candidate ends up elected (if one does), the results would be highly similar because Presidents can't act unilaterally on sweeping legislation (executive orders can't put in place universal health care or much else that doesn't deal with enforcement of existing laws and regulations). Anything a Democratic President wanted enacted would have to pass both houses of Congress, which puts huge restraints on what can be passed. Any Democratic President, whether that's Biden or Sanders, would look very similar in office--presiding over moderately left-of-center legislation coming out of the House that would only become law if Democrats also win the Senate. The only thing that would be different is what each President advocated for in rallies and press conferences.
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How do you explain Emperor Trump?
 
Lanny said:
How do you explain Emperor Trump?
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Trump's gotten very little of what he wanted going into his Presidency. Much of his "agenda" either never got through Congress or got tied up/killed in the courts.
 
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