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SlyPokerDog said:
The Lakers moved to LA in 1960. The NBA and how they are run have changed significantly since then.
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Fun fact, the Lakers didn't sign their first black player until 5 years before that.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Fun fact, the Lakers didn't sign their first black player until 5 years before that.
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Funner fact: The Blazers didn't get their first black player on the roster until 10 years AFTER the Lakers moved to L.A.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The Lakers moved to LA in 1960. The NBA and how they are run have changed significantly since then.
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Still, as Mr. Julius noted 5 championships is serious history. Minneapolis got another team in the Timberwolves. I wonder if they would prefer to be the Lakers and have that championship history?


If another team is expanded to Seattle and they are named the Sonics, does that mean they get to share in the history of the team winning a ring? If so, i would feel fairly jaded that my championship history left with the team if i lived in Minnesota.
 
BlazerBender said:
Still, as Mr. Julius noted 5 championships is serious history. Minneapolis got another team in the Timberwolves. I wonder if they would prefer to be the Lakers and have that championship history?


If another team is expanded to Seattle and they are named the Sonics, does that mean they get to share in the history of the team winning a ring? If so, i would feel fairly jaded that my championship history left with the team if i lived in Minnesota.
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Yes, they get their championship and Mr Sonic, Nate McMillan.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
You can't just dream up scenarios that might be different.
Expansion brings revenue. They don't consider expanding into areas that would not bring revenue. Los Vegas and obviously Seattle will bring revenue.
Seriously.... They pay really smart people with the very best data to look into this stuff.
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I'm not dreaming anything. If expansion is such a certain great thing than why hasn't expansion happened recently? Why stop at expanding two more teams, why not expand to 100+ NBA teams?

Mark Cuban was quoted as saying there are downsides to expansion and it is not certain owner will be for it. The owners all have plenty of cash if they need money, expansion would hurt their individual TV revenue split forever. Of course Vegas or Seattle would bring some incremental additional revenue. But the league would have to split the national TV contract 32 ways instead of 30. They would have to split it forever. The TV contracts dwarf all other revenue. Do the new TV partners care if the NBA is a 32 or 30 team league? Probably not much for Vegas and Seattle.

There are financial reasons to expand (expansion fee, addition revenue from new markets)
There are financial reasons not to expand (smaller cut of national contracts, opportunity cost lost of future expansion, dilution of existing fan bases, additional player salaries, additional franchise expenses)

The league hasn't expanded for 20-30 years, so seemingly the reasons not to expand have exceeded the reasons to expand in these times.

Could it swing the other way and we have expansion in the next few years? Sure that is possible.

My point of replying in this thread was there are financial reasons to not expand, as the original comments I replied to sounded as though expansion fees are free money to owners with no downsides; which is incorrect.
 
illmatic99 said:
I think the PNW ties is meaningless. Agree with the rest.

I care more about engagement with the fanbase and a will to win than if they grew up in the community, etc. We have precedence in recent years with people out of market buying NBA teams and having success (robert pera-- grizzlies, marc lasry -- bucks, ballmer-- clips, etc etc).

Is there anything THAT unique about an increasingly cosmopolitan Portland now that requires an owner to be homegrown to understand it? (not trying to be snarky, genuinely asking because this prerequisite is brought up even for GM/coach openings here on this forum)
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I don't think a new Blazers owner needs to have Portland history, but I think it could be beneficial if the owner after purchase of the Blazers lives in Portland.

Ballmer is a good example, he lived in Seattle, but when he bought the Clippers he then moved to LA. He has been engaging with getting a new arena, free agents, hiring good management and staff.

If a new owner buys the Blazers but lives in NYC they won't have any ties to keep the team in Portland, and may not help the franchise succeed as much as other owners.

Its not a be all end all, as you could have a shitty owner live in the city or a good owner live elsewhere. But in general I think the franchise would be better if the owner had a significant physical presence in the PNW.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
The league hasn't expanded for 20-30 years, so seemingly the reasons not to expand have exceeded the reasons to expand in these times.
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The last expansion was 04, iirc, with the Bobcats, which always bugged me that the league saw how much Charlotte got hosed by Shin and promised them a franchise real soon...yet have continually hosed Seattle over going on 15 years now.

You cannot convince me that Charlotte is a more important city to the NBA than Seattle is.
 
julius said:
The last expansion was 04, iirc, with the Bobcats, which always bugged me that the league saw how much Charlotte got hosed by Shin and promised them a franchise real soon...yet have continually hosed Seattle over going on 15 years now.

You cannot convince me that Charlotte is a more important city to the NBA than Seattle is.
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All cities on the East coast are more important.
 
The Blazers are also preparing for the Draft and Free Agency.

Thanks John.
 
illmatic99 said:
Ellison would be amazing in my mind.
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I know a couple unrelated people who've crossed paths with Ellison professionally and privately and both relayed stories of him being an entitled fuckwad.

Many also saw the midseason moves by Portland as getting their finances in order for a sale, but this guy is not the sort I want to see leading my rooting interest.

STOMP
 
I had heard somewhere that The Dutch Brothers Mafia could be a potential ownership group?
 
julius said:
The last expansion was 04, iirc, with the Bobcats, which always bugged me that the league saw how much Charlotte got hosed by Shin and promised them a franchise real soon...yet have continually hosed Seattle over going on 15 years now.

You cannot convince me that Charlotte is a more important city to the NBA than Seattle is.
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If a lesser city has it's ducks in a line with a stadium and politics and Seattle doesn't for whatever reasons, Seattle bears at least some of the blame for the outcome. There are advantages for the league adding Charlotte over Seattle... the PNW is a bear for teams to travel to/from. Sucks for us though, I'd love to see the Sonics happen again.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
If a lesser city has it's ducks in a line with a stadium and politics and Seattle doesn't for whatever reasons, Seattle bears at least some of the blame for the outcome. There are advantages for the league adding Charlotte over Seattle... the PNW is a bear for teams to travel to/from. Sucks for us though, I'd love to see the Sonics happen again.

STOMP
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The NBA bent over backwards keeping the Kings in Sacramento, and they had a shittier arena.

I'm not sure what advantages the NBA has over adding a team in Charlotte vs keeping one in Seattle or adding one in Seattle. Seattle's a bigger market, and had been an NBA team for longer than Charlotte had been.

I get what you're saying, but I think the NBA fucked up the Seattle situation (not that Seattle is innocent of the whole thing. on a side note, Fuck Seattle*).







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STOMP said:
If a lesser city has it's ducks in a line with a stadium and politics and Seattle doesn't for whatever reasons, Seattle bears at least some of the blame for the outcome. There are advantages for the league adding Charlotte over Seattle... the PNW is a bear for teams to travel to/from. Sucks for us though, I'd love to see the Sonics happen again.

STOMP
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They will happen again, it's a profitable market for the league and they've already said they're going to do it and reporters have said that they've found information that says it's a forgone conclusion. Seattle and Vegas. They'll announce it when they're in negotiations for the new TV deals.
 
julius said:
The NBA bent over backwards keeping the Kings in Sacramento, and they had a shittier arena.

I'm not sure what advantages the NBA has over adding a team in Charlotte vs keeping one in Seattle or adding one in Seattle. Seattle's a bigger market, and had been an NBA team for longer than Charlotte had been.
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Digging back into the memory banks, I recall the owner (Clay Bennett) who bought the team from the Starbucks schmuck was a longtime friend of David Stern's. Why the Sonic's were moved probably was largely about those two asshats doing whatever they wanted... Seattle be damned.

https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4701/reading-clay-bennett-s-e-mail

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Digging back into the memory banks, I recall the owner (Clay Bennett) who bought the team from the Starbucks schmuck was a longtime friend of David Stern's. Why the Sonic's were moved probably was largely about those two asshats doing whatever they wanted... Seattle be damned.

https://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/4701/reading-clay-bennett-s-e-mail

STOMP
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Adam Silver ain't perfect, and yes, David Stern did help bring the NBA out of the stone age, but fuck that guy.
 
Nobody, nobody thought the City of Seatlle would let their Sonics move. The politics of not finding a way to fund/refurb an arena allowed the Okie to pull up his tent and move. And the league approved it.
 
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