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Same old Canzano. He has no idea of what the Blazers are discussing about Davis, but he can spin the yarn as if Olshey lacks the guts to try to make a deal. When Davis goes somewhere else, Canzano gets to preen around as if he knew something when, in fact, 28 other teams won’t get AD either.
 
Yeah I'm sure AD wants to come to a team he swept last year. That makes a ton of sense.
 
exactly...he doesn't make serious offers

You people have no clue what he offers or what was on the table so quit talking out of your ass.

Reading this forum you'd think we were in last place in the conference. No wonder I come here less and less. I get dumber every time I do.
 
You people have no clue what he offers or what was on the table so quit talking out of your ass.

Reading this forum you'd think we were in last place in the conference. No wonder I come here less and less. I get dumber every time I do.

Absolutely not last in the conference. Although tied for last in the last two years in Playoff wins....
 
Absolutely not last in the conference. Although tied for last in the last two years in Playoff wins....

Oh, well in that case I guess we should blame the GM for made up bullshit.
 
That wasn't a blame statement and not sure what you are referring to. It is just what happened.
Given I quoted what I was referring to in my original post, I'm a little taken aback that you don't know what I'm referring to...
 
Given I quoted what I was referring to in my original post, I'm a little taken aback that you don't know what I'm referring to...

Ahh, I see the confusion. You mistakenly took me for someone who has the time to read every post. Sorry, I missed something. Which is what the "not sure what you are referring to" is commenting on. Hopefully my lack of free time doesn't have you taken aback too much. :cheers:
 
Ahh, I see the confusion. You mistakenly took me for someone who has the time to read every post. Sorry, I missed something. Which is what the "not sure what you are referring to" is commenting on. Hopefully my lack of free time doesn't have you taken aback too much. :cheers:

I responded to someone else (with their quote), and then you responded to my message. It required - quite literally - only reading the post to which you were responding to, Mr. 10.6k messages in 5 years.
 
Yes, and obviously that didn't happen....as mentioned before. :cheers:
 
Looking at the past trade opportunities, I'm not upset with Olshey for not closing the deal for PG13 or Butler - it's that the rumored offer is not even a legitimate offer....

When he goes into the negotiation with the "Anybody but...." mindset, he's not even going to be part of the real discussions. I like CJ, Collins, Nurk, etc, but NONE of those players should've been "off-limits" in a deal for PG13 or Butler.

It will be interesting to see what the rumored offers are from Portland. The entire roster should be on the table, including Dame (although Dame would be an absolute last resort, without any additional ancillary pieces).
Dame should NOT be on the table. Smh.
 
You people have no clue what he offers or what was on the table so quit talking out of your ass.

Reading this forum you'd think we were in last place in the conference. No wonder I come here less and less. I get dumber every time I do.
Some of us do, actually.
 
I disagree with the idea that trading CJ and Zach for AD is a risk for Neil's job security. Hell, I think if anything, it would increase his job security. I'd certainly get off the Fire Neil bandwagon

Comeon, it would have to be CJ, Nurk, Zack, and an unprotected 1st, and that still wouldn't do it.
 
Offering 3 picks in that draft was a good offer, your continually saying it wasn't doesn't change that fact.
Honest question here....

If 3 picks were such a good offer for PG13, why didn't Portland trade CJ and keep the picks for themselves?

PG13 was/is much better than CJ. Portland 'could have' had Mitchell & Kuzma to go along with PG13.

The premise that the picks were a good offer, but CJ was too valuable to offer just doesn't make sense to me.
 
Comeon, it would have to be CJ, Nurk, Zack, and an unprotected 1st, and that still wouldn't do it.

Do you really think it would take that much? I don't see any other team making nearly that good of a deal in terms of production + potential at least so far in any of rumored proposals.
 
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Honest question here....

If 3 picks were such a good offer for PG13, why didn't Portland trade CJ and keep the picks for themselves?

PG13 was/is much better than CJ. Portland 'could have' had Mitchell & Kuzma to go along with PG13.

The premise that the picks were a good offer, but CJ was too valuable to offer just doesn't make sense to me.
Well personally that sounds great. If we had Dame, Mitchell, PG13, and Nurk right now we'd be sitting pretty damn good. I was a big advocate of taking Mitchell when we traded up to 10 so you're preaching to the choir here.

Keep in mind though we were just coming off the Nurk fever stretch that made it seem we were once again further along with the current core than it was.
 
https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...ers-to-try-to-take-anthony-davis-hostage.html

I woke up Monday, heard the news, and wished Bob Whitsitt was still around.

Maybe you did, too.

Anthony Davis will not re-sign with New Orleans when his contract runs out in summer 2020. His agent informed the Pelicans on Monday. Davis would like to be traded to a franchise that gives him a chance to win consistently and chase an NBA championship.

“Trader Bob” would already have been busy plotting how to take Davis hostage via trade for the next 18 months, then convince him that Portland was both of those things. But he’s not. So Portland is about to watch another opportunist NBA franchise do what the Thunder did with Paul George and what the Raptors are doing with Kawhi Leonard.

Look around downtown Portland and what do you see? Cranes everywhere. They’re building toward the clouds. The developers aren’t making small plans. They’re taking acceptable risks and changing the landscape of the city.

General Manager Neil Olshey won’t get this done.

To be fair, I suppose it would be easier to write a column about all the reasons why Davis won’t be traded to the Blazers. At face value, he’s unlikely to re-sign in Portland in summer 2020. The Celtics want him badly. The Lakers covet him, and Davis and LeBron James share an agent.

There’s ownership uncertainty in Portland after Paul Allen’s death. I’m not sure the suits at the Vulcan mothership would be receptive to a massive roster shift given that they’re plotting the eventual sale of the franchise. Also, the Pelicans swept the Blazers in the first round of the NBA Playoffs a year ago.

But that’s where you need visionary leadership to disrupt the league’s narrative. It’s where you need a basketball operations side that believes so deeply in where it’s headed that it’s willing to take a massive risk, re-direct the course of franchise history, and go all-in trying to land a player that could change everything.

By all accounts, guard Damian Lillard is happy in Portland. His contract runs out in the summer of 2021. And while he’s made no public comment that would suggest he’s thinking about playing elsewhere, chasing Davis hard into the Feb. 7 trade deadline would send a strong message to Lillard that he’s in the right uniform.

I spoke to Whitsitt a few months ago.

When I suggested that it was difficult for Portland to land free agents as a small market, he waved it off as a small-minded excuse. Whitsitt took hostages via trade, then re-signed them. He made 19 trades in nine seasons in Portland. His teams went 426-280 (.603) and made the playoffs every year.

“I was told you couldn’t do it when I went down there," Whitsitt said. "We did it... everybody likes to have excuses. It’s a tough business. There aren’t excuses.

"The job is to get the job done. The job is to build a really good team, and that should also be the fun. To do that you’re going to have to take some chances, take some risks, and you’re going to have some thick skin.”

Olshey has made 24 trades since he was hired in the summer of 2012. Nine of them involved “cash” and they’ve hardly been the shape-shifting moves that marked the Whitsitt era. It’s why nobody ever called him: “Trader Neil."

Whitsitt wasn’t interested in saving cash and pleasing the analysts at Vulcan.

He tolerated the suits while trying to win a title.

Traded for Rasheed Wallace. Traded for Gary Trent. Traded for Scottie Pippen and Damon Stoudamire.

“Cash considerations” couldn’t guard those guys.

Davis makes roughly the same salary as Blazers guard CJ McCollum. You’d do that deal in a heartbeat. But the Pelicans wouldn’t. They’d be starting over and want a pile of assets to replace a generational star in Davis. Portland will have to be willing to risk future draft picks and promising young players such as Zach Collins, and it would have to take on New Orleans' worst contracts.

Basically, Olshey would have to be willing to risk his job security to get it done. And that’s where it totally falls apart, really. Because right now, the uncertainty hanging over franchise ownership is a ticking clock for the GM. He’s busy networking and auditioning for his next job.

It’s why the Blazers media relations staff put a note about Olshey in the game notes recently. It was greeted by media and a few other league executives who saw it with snickers. Mostly because, who does that? It noted that Olshey had 299 victories as a GM and was “the third executive to count 300 victories at the helm of the Trail Blazers.”

Cool.

The usher in Section 101 has 655 wins.

Look, I’m not sure Whitsitt would have pulled it off.

Landing a star of Davis' caliber is a high-wire act.

But man, it would have been fun to watch him try.
It's a shame that ESPN is dictating where he will end up playing without asking him where he wants to play.
 
CJ + Nurk + Zach + 1st is overpaying
What if they added Mirotic? They'd have to add something if we gave em Nurk as well.

That is a ridiculous core to build around. Two top 10 guys and a bunch of shooters? We'd still become the second best team in the west.
 
To be fair Whitsitt never came close to signing a superstar in their prime... His best signings were if I remember correctly Kenny Anderson, Old Scottie, and Brian Grant.

He didn’t sign Pippen as a FA. But KA and BG would represent some of the best FA signings in our franchise’s history.
 
Same old Canzano. He has no idea of what the Blazers are discussing about Davis, but he can spin the yarn as if Olshey lacks the guts to try to make a deal. When Davis goes somewhere else, Canzano gets to preen around as if he knew something when, in fact, 28 other teams won’t get AD either.

I'm neither pro/anti Canzano, but I read it a bit differently. I see as Canzano challenging Olshey. Olshey has yet to swing really big and connect, and, unfortunately, it's needed. Here's a potential opportunity, see if you can prove me wrong. If Olshey miraculously pulls it off, I don't doubt Canzano will write a follow up article congratulating him. I don't think he's that bitter in life yet, he still chases good feel stories. No doubt, he'll probably give himself a little credit for goading Olshey if it happens, and, no doubt, dump on Olshey harder if he doesn't.
 
He didn’t sign Pippen as a FA. But KA and BG would represent some of the best FA signings in our franchise’s history.
You’re right and it was pointed out he traded for Pippen. Not sure what I was thinking when I said that. I liked BG and KA, but signing pretty good players isnt anything like signing a superstar.
 
CJ + Nurk + Zach + 1st is overpaying

I'd do it in a heartbeat. Maybe I'm alone, but I don't mind being on the perceived worse end of a deal if I'm getting the best player in the deal. I'd have to think a little harder if I already had a good team with solid chemistry and upsetting those components could have consequences. Like the old Kersey/Porter/etc fantasy deal for Olajawon or Barkley. That's not really the case here. Plus, I don't entirely mind the worse case scenario where he doesn't re-up here and we're back in the lottery.
 
You’re right and it was pointed out he traded for Pippen. Not sure what I was thinking when I said that. I liked BG and KA, but signing pretty good players isnt anything like signing a superstar.

Hate Whitsitt or not, he brought talent (albeit even with questionable personalities) to Portland. Dude could get talent to Portland like Ron Jeremy could score a girl. They might be tainted for any number of reasons, even if just over the height of their careers, but he could make it happen.

Honestly, I miss that.
 
https://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/...ers-to-try-to-take-anthony-davis-hostage.html

I woke up Monday, heard the news, and wished Bob Whitsitt was still around.

Maybe you did, too.

Anthony Davis will not re-sign with New Orleans when his contract runs out in summer 2020. His agent informed the Pelicans on Monday. Davis would like to be traded to a franchise that gives him a chance to win consistently and chase an NBA championship.

“Trader Bob” would already have been busy plotting how to take Davis hostage via trade for the next 18 months, then convince him that Portland was both of those things. But he’s not. So Portland is about to watch another opportunist NBA franchise do what the Thunder did with Paul George and what the Raptors are doing with Kawhi Leonard.

Look around downtown Portland and what do you see? Cranes everywhere. They’re building toward the clouds. The developers aren’t making small plans. They’re taking acceptable risks and changing the landscape of the city.

General Manager Neil Olshey won’t get this done.

To be fair, I suppose it would be easier to write a column about all the reasons why Davis won’t be traded to the Blazers. At face value, he’s unlikely to re-sign in Portland in summer 2020. The Celtics want him badly. The Lakers covet him, and Davis and LeBron James share an agent.

There’s ownership uncertainty in Portland after Paul Allen’s death. I’m not sure the suits at the Vulcan mothership would be receptive to a massive roster shift given that they’re plotting the eventual sale of the franchise. Also, the Pelicans swept the Blazers in the first round of the NBA Playoffs a year ago.

But that’s where you need visionary leadership to disrupt the league’s narrative. It’s where you need a basketball operations side that believes so deeply in where it’s headed that it’s willing to take a massive risk, re-direct the course of franchise history, and go all-in trying to land a player that could change everything.

By all accounts, guard Damian Lillard is happy in Portland. His contract runs out in the summer of 2021. And while he’s made no public comment that would suggest he’s thinking about playing elsewhere, chasing Davis hard into the Feb. 7 trade deadline would send a strong message to Lillard that he’s in the right uniform.

I spoke to Whitsitt a few months ago.

When I suggested that it was difficult for Portland to land free agents as a small market, he waved it off as a small-minded excuse. Whitsitt took hostages via trade, then re-signed them. He made 19 trades in nine seasons in Portland. His teams went 426-280 (.603) and made the playoffs every year.

“I was told you couldn’t do it when I went down there," Whitsitt said. "We did it... everybody likes to have excuses. It’s a tough business. There aren’t excuses.

"The job is to get the job done. The job is to build a really good team, and that should also be the fun. To do that you’re going to have to take some chances, take some risks, and you’re going to have some thick skin.”

Olshey has made 24 trades since he was hired in the summer of 2012. Nine of them involved “cash” and they’ve hardly been the shape-shifting moves that marked the Whitsitt era. It’s why nobody ever called him: “Trader Neil."

Whitsitt wasn’t interested in saving cash and pleasing the analysts at Vulcan.

He tolerated the suits while trying to win a title.

Traded for Rasheed Wallace. Traded for Gary Trent. Traded for Scottie Pippen and Damon Stoudamire.

“Cash considerations” couldn’t guard those guys.

Davis makes roughly the same salary as Blazers guard CJ McCollum. You’d do that deal in a heartbeat. But the Pelicans wouldn’t. They’d be starting over and want a pile of assets to replace a generational star in Davis. Portland will have to be willing to risk future draft picks and promising young players such as Zach Collins, and it would have to take on New Orleans' worst contracts.

Basically, Olshey would have to be willing to risk his job security to get it done. And that’s where it totally falls apart, really. Because right now, the uncertainty hanging over franchise ownership is a ticking clock for the GM. He’s busy networking and auditioning for his next job.

It’s why the Blazers media relations staff put a note about Olshey in the game notes recently. It was greeted by media and a few other league executives who saw it with snickers. Mostly because, who does that? It noted that Olshey had 299 victories as a GM and was “the third executive to count 300 victories at the helm of the Trail Blazers.”

Cool.

The usher in Section 101 has 655 wins.

Look, I’m not sure Whitsitt would have pulled it off.

Landing a star of Davis' caliber is a high-wire act.

But man, it would have been fun to watch him try.
Jesus Christ. Whitsett "re signed" them because Paul Allen paid vastly more than the market rate. So much so that the NBA changed the rules so he couldn't continue to outspend every other team. Players didn't have the ability to wave off the extra salary because they could make it up in endorsements either. Only MJ could do that back then.

Canzano is such a douche. Is it just me or did he subtly imply he's a great visionary, while saying Olshey isn't. Such a douche. I feel dirty every time I read his pompous bullshit.
 
He also was given unlimited money to do whatever he wanted by an owner desperate to win and an NBA that had basically no salary cap. I can't stand articles like this or posts on here that think he'd be good with today's rules.
Bingo
 

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