Canzano: whispers about 4 years, 40 mil extn. for Oden?

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Rhal said:
I don't see how you can not attempt to keep him. We don't have capspace to go sign a good center nor do we have the pics and the pieces we can afford to lose to try and get one. Were in a win now mode because Roy's contract pretty much screws us from rebuilding effectively and we have the talent (but maybe not the toughness) to win now. Oden would add some huge toughness and a big body at a position were lacking. Of course if he gets injured again. Signing him to a contract doesn't effect our capspace because well... we don't have any capspace and will not have any for the next few years.
A hard cap I don't think is going to happen in the NBA. To many top teams (the teams that bring in the majority of the money) have HUGE HUGE payrolls. Only way a hardcap makes sense is if you bring down how much a max contract is and have a way to transition it into place so it really isnt' into full effect until 5 years from now when all the contracts signed under the old CBA have run there course.
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THIS
 
Imagine if Oden ends up in South Beach or in Chicago because we didn't offer him anything and he turns into the star we know he can be! Miami could pencil in 6 championships and the bulls atleast 3..
 
Rhal said:
Now we just need Oden on interview saying it and sounding like he means it.
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and have him say it in long form too.
 
not my money, but do whatever you have to to keep him, period
 
Dave at Blazer's Edge explains what Greg might have meant by saying it's his move:

"Since the only way to retain Oden at all is through the Qualifying Offer (accepted for the single year or rejected and into free agency) and since his best path is clearly to sign that Q.O. for a year and go unrestricted next summer and since the Blazers can't even guarantee what they'll offer him on that longer-term deal until the new CBA is set, I don't see much hope for a happy ending here for the team. If I'm Greg's agent I'm screaming at him to take that one year offer and run."

So if Greg thinks he will be healthy, his best choice is to sign the qualifying offer and then at the end of the year he can decide where he wants to go and how much he will get. The Blazers must make the qualifying offer and have it rejected before they can legally make an offer for a longer term deal; this is why all the power is in Greg's hands.

It is only in his best interest to reject the qualifying and take a long term deal at a lower price if he thinks he might not be healthy and productive. This situation absolutely sucks for the Blazers.

We can still hope that Greg feels some loyalty to Portland and rejects the qualifying and takes the long term deal at a not outrageous price. Or in the ideal (and not remotely possible) world, he could say I'll take the qualifying offer; we'll see how I do in that year and I promise that if I am healthy i will then give Portland first chance to sign me long term.

http://www.blazersedge.com/
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Dave at Blazer's Edge explains what Greg might have meant by saying it's his move:

"Since the only way to retain Oden at all is through the Qualifying Offer (accepted for the single year or rejected and into free agency) and since his best path is clearly to sign that Q.O. for a year and go unrestricted next summer and since the Blazers can't even guarantee what they'll offer him on that longer-term deal until the new CBA is set, I don't see much hope for a happy ending here for the team. If I'm Greg's agent I'm screaming at him to take that one year offer and run."

So if Greg thinks he will be healthy, his best choice is to sign the qualifying offer and then at the end of the year he can decide where he wants to go and how much he will get. The Blazers must make the qualifying offer and have it rejected before they can legally make an offer for a longer term deal; this is why all the power is in Greg's hands.

It is only in his best interest to reject the qualifying and take a long term deal at a lower price if he thinks he might not be healthy and productive. This situation absolutely sucks for the Blazers.

We can still hope that Greg feels some loyalty to Portland and rejects the qualifying and takes the long term deal at a not outrageous price. Or in the ideal (and not remotely possible) world, he could say I'll take the qualifying offer; we'll see how I do in that year and I promise that if I am healthy i will then give Portland first chance to sign me long term.

http://www.blazersedge.com/
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Gee, I've only been posting that for a year now on this board.

Dave from BE, you can PM me thanks for stealing my written thoughts, and passing them off as your own on BE.
 
ugh, please dont leave greg, i will die a little
 
PapaG said:
Gee, I've only been posting that for a year now on this board.

Dave from BE, you can PM me thanks for stealing my written thoughts, and passing them off as your own on BE.
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Sorry that I missed that Papa G, the entire situation has been sort of confusing for me and Dave's was the first thing I read that really clarified it for me.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
We can still hope that Greg feels some loyalty to Portland and rejects the qualifying and takes the long term deal at a not outrageous price. Or in the ideal (and not remotely possible) world, he could say I'll take the qualifying offer; we'll see how I do in that year and I promise that if I am healthy i will then give Portland first chance to sign me long term.

http://www.blazersedge.com/
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I started thinking about this and it seems to me that actually it is the right and honorable thing for Greg to take the one year qualifying and promise to stay with Portland after that, price dependent on his performance and health in that year.

I mean what if you married someone and shortly after the marriage, that someone became sick or injured and could not contribute financially, sexually, etc to the family for three years. And so you took care of that someone for those three years. Now as this someone is approaching good health he/she says "I can only commit to you for this next year while I am getting completely healthy; then I think I'd like to play the field. Does that seem right??!!
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Sorry that I missed that Papa G, the entire situation has been sort of confusing for me and Dave's was the first thing I read that really clarified it for me.
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We talked earlier this year (after the injury, maybe at the deadline?) about how even if he just took the QO and got injured, he could sign a 2yr, vet min deal with, say, Indiana (you'd give him one, right?) and it would end up as a 3yr/11M deal for him, except that he got to chose where he wanted to go.

If he doesn't get injured? He's the biggest name in FA 12 after Dwight Howard. Bigger than CP3.
 
BrianFromWA said:
We talked earlier this year (after the injury, maybe at the deadline?) about how even if he just took the QO and got injured, he could sign a 2yr, vet min deal with, say, Indiana (you'd give him one, right?) and it would end up as a 3yr/11M deal for him, except that he got to chose where he wanted to go.
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Well, actually if I was a GM and he got injured seriously again in this coming year, I would not use a roster spot on him, but that's just me.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Well, actually if I was a GM and he got injured seriously again in this coming year, I would not use a roster spot on him, but that's just me.
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You'd rather sign a guy like Earn Barron?
 
I think the best possible deal; if the new CBA would allow it, would be incentives. Maybe a base salary of 8-9 mil per season with perks each season.

1.) 1 million bonus if he averages a double double

2.) 500k bonus for over 1.5 blocks a game

3.) 1.5 mil bonus for averaging more than 13 rebounds a game.

4.) 1.5 mil bonus for playing more than 60 games a season.

Something like that. I don't know if the team would be on the hook for the entire amount (In terms of cap); but if their was an incentive program that could net Oden 12.5-14.5 mil per season, but can drop to 8-10 mil if injured, it would be best for both sides.
 
Draco said:
You'd rather sign a guy like Earn Barron?
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No, but perhaps we should try to trade for a much better alternative (to Barron) at PF/C, counting on Greg Oden and Camby is not something I am comfortable with - are you?
 
Players don’t “reject” the qualifying offer, it is an option during their entire restricted free agency until they sign a longer term contract. Greg can initially decide to try and get a long term deal from the Blazers or another team (that the Blazers could match.) But if he can’t find an acceptable deal he can then take the one year offer.
 
Draco said:
Players don’t “reject” the qualifying offer, it is an option during their entire restricted free agency until they sign a longer term contract. Greg can initially decide to try and get a long term deal from the Blazers or another team (that the Blazers could match.) But if he can’t find an acceptable deal he can then take the one year offer.
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So you're saying that Dave has it wrong? I was beginning to wonder after reading the press conference with Cho because his explanation didn't sound like Dave's. Is there someone who can show the clause in NBA whatzit?
 
Blazinaway said:
No, but perhaps we should try to trade for a much better alternative (to Barron) at PF/C, counting on Greg Oden and Camby is not something I am comfortable with - are you?
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Your reply was in regards to a GM not using a roster spot at the minimum salary for Greg. If Greg got injured next season I bet every team in the league would use a minimum salary spot for him if they could. The cost of that is cutting your 15th best player, Earl Barron or Luke Babbit.

Irrespective of Greg's health I'd like to see us acquire a solid PF/C, so with Greg's health problems yes I think it would be even more beneficial. The problem is acquiring someone talented enough to make your team better but at a price that you gain more then you lose. I doubt Oden is worth much in trade but sure if I were the Blazers GM I’d consider offers for Greg, Batum, Wallace or Matthews. Even if Greg never missed another game (haha) Camby will be in the last year of his deal and is almost 40. There is 30mpg+ of backup big man minutes available.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
So you're saying that Dave has it wrong? I was beginning to wonder after reading the press conference with Cho because his explanation didn't sound like Dave's. Is there someone who can show the clause in NBA whatzit?
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Yes his explanation could be misinterpreted. Lookup larry coons nba cba FAQ, I can't at work.
 
yeah all we have to do is offer him the QO, that makes him a restricted FA
 
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