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Phatguysrule said:
Most people's symptoms from COVID went away and 36 to 48 hours from the time you started getting sick enough to actually take medicine.

Mine did and I didn't take Ivermectin.
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Most people? Not from my experience of people getting Covid and where I lived. I know people that covid 3-4 times AFTER they got the vaccine and said it was a very bad sickness, then others that said it felt like a common cold. Some sick with Covid for up to a week or longer and they were vaccinated.

So it also depends on the person age and medical conditions prior as well.
 
sheed30 said:
lol did you ever talk ivermectin? Or did you just listen to what reports and the media said about it?

I know first hand people that took it and got better the next day, all symptoms went away within 36-48 hrs.

Joe Rogan also took it when he had Covid, talks about him firsthand experience about it. And others too

If you didn’t take it personal or know anyone that did then you’re only going on second and third hand opinions.

don’t follow the herd or you will step in shit
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to start with, my sarcasm was about hydroxychloroquine and clorox

as for ivermectin:

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but sure, if you want to use Joe Rogan as an epidemiologist, go for it
 

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sheed30 said:
What does Rogan 30 supplements have to do with it?
He was sick as a dog with covid WHEN he was vaccinated…then invermectin got him better soon right after. And others. And first hand experience from my family then never got vaccinated and took invermectin, and got better right away.

Remember when they said taking the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid? Lmao what a joke that was.


good for you that the vaccine worked, but what about others that had the side affect of the vaccine and died because of it like my friends mom did?

if you didn’t take or have any first hand experience of someone taking invermectin and your repeating what the media said about it your just a pond in their chess board. Not talking to you directly, the other guy.

they made tons of money of the vaccine, ofcourse they wouldn’t want anyone buying cheap invermectin.
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I was having heart surgery during covid...I talked to medical professionals and my doctors about all the possibilities and all of them recommended the vaccine and took it themselves...they are still my heart doctors and nurses and nobody died from it...that's proof. I'm glad your friends recovered. I'll take my heart specialists advice over a reality tv star's all day long. Choices. I know I made the right ones for my family and my self. I'm sorry your friends mom died but I can't speak to that but I know my family and friends have zero deaths from vaccination although I have antivax relatives in the midwest who died without the shot. Over a million unvaccinated people died from covid in the US. My info comes from the staff at River Bend Hospital,, not a podcast..
 
sheed30 said:
Most people? Not from my experience of people getting Covid and where I lived. I know people that covid 3-4 times AFTER they got the vaccine and said it was a very bad sickness, then others that said it felt like a common cold. Some sick with Covid for up to a week or longer and they were vaccinated.

So it also depends on the person age and medical conditions prior as well.
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It absolutely does.

I worked in the shop of about 35 people at the time. We didn't get hit until the vaccine was already out. About 20 of us got vaccinated. 10-15 of us were either anti-vaxxers or COVID deniers.

Nobody who got vaccinated went to the hospital. One of the people who didn't get vaccinated died. Four of the others went to the hospital.

Hospitals were seeing no deaths from people who had been vaccinated and most people who are in the hospital with COVID had not been vaccinated. Of those who died none were vaccinated in the vast majority of cases.

This data was all available. It's all up and down the COVID thread if you care to go look.

We really need to start paying attention to academia and science. The real medical community, Not the podcasters who've been put in positions of power.
 
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
You are still fixating on who is right and wrong and finger pointing.
If they said fuck you my freedom comes first then maybe there wasn't a unified and clear education push for all to understand, especially since the early stages had mixed reports on how masks would evne help? Instead of providing more education, they were told they are the problem. The education came later.

But this is all so far off track from my original statement. Of course both sodes need to be open and honest. Of course they are not the same and one may be worse than the other. BUt to claim it is only one side is naive at best.
Just because they are worse, two wrongs make a right?


It doesn't matter. They are both right. They are both wrong. Education only comes from open ears and eager minds. Both teacher and student. Not angry emotional outbursts.

The push back on my original statement is…. Well I guess expected, considering the current social climate.
Like i said. Even intelligent/educated folks are falling into this war of division instead of searching for common ground and unity to build from, to earn trust, to then educate each other on our differences.
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What sort of open dialogue is one supposed to have when their friends and/or family members are called creatures who deserve no mercy?

When someone advocates for taking away rights from a group of people, what does that honest dialogue look like? When someone advocates for withholding something like universal healthcare from ALL, because of a few bad apples, what does that dialogue look like?

What is there to say to someone who wants to deny people basic human rights? Who withhold basic decency because eww, they're not like me? Because I've tried. And after so long, and seeing friends and family members hurt and affected/effected, I don't honestly give a fuck any more.

If you(not YOU, general speaking) come out with hateful speech, fuck you. If you want to say someone doesn't get equal treatment because of their race or sexual preferences, fuck you. It's no longer my job to educate you. there's plenty of evidence available on ways to treat people with kindness and respect. If you choose to go against it because it doesn't fit with your lily white, religious, cookie cutter suburban bullshit, I ain't got time for it.

And if you say people have to die to protect gun rights, and empathy is a new fangled bad thing, then sorry, I don't give a god damn when the find out part comes from your fucking around. I've got too much fear for the lives of family members to give a flying fuck about a douche bag spewing hate speech getting a proper education out of respect.
 
RR7 said:
So please, tell me, how is one supposed to have open and honest dialogue with this?
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The sarcasm is not needed. Are you conversing with this fellow?
The open and honest dialogue is with you and those in your circle discussing this. Not trying to discuss something with someone you don't know posting something on line.
Some of you can mock what i said, i don't really care. Your effort to better understand what i said instead of twisting it and vilifing me is telling….

a waste of an effort to get people to see that communication is the solution to this. Not communicating with politicians, or those out of reach, but with each other. You and I.
The lack of effort is telling and proving my point.
What a sad day….
 
RR7 said:
What sort of open dialogue is one supposed to have when their friends and/or family members are called creatures who deserve no mercy?

When someone advocates for taking away rights from a group of people, what does that honest dialogue look like? When someone advocates for withholding something like universal healthcare from ALL, because of a few bad apples, what does that dialogue look like?

What is there to say to someone who wants to deny people basic human rights? Who withhold basic decency because eww, they're not like me? Because I've tried. And after so long, and seeing friends and family members hurt and affected/effected, I don't honestly give a fuck any more.

If you(not YOU, general speaking) come out with hateful speech, fuck you. If you want to say someone doesn't get equal treatment because of their race or sexual preferences, fuck you. It's no longer my job to educate you. there's plenty of evidence available on ways to treat people with kindness and respect. If you choose to go against it because it doesn't fit with your lily white, religious, cookie cutter suburban bullshit, I ain't got time for it.

And if you say people have to die to protect gun rights, and empathy is a new fangled bad thing, then sorry, I don't give a god damn when the find out part comes from your fucking around. I've got too much fear for the lives of family members to give a flying fuck about a douche bag spewing hate speech getting a proper education out of respect.
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Well i would first ask for clarification and details. What specific rights are being taken away? Then i would go to the other side and let them know this is what the other side feels. Is this true and if so, why?

The right to free speech? The right to vote? The right of equal treatment regardless of gender, ethnicity or age?
The right to live?

if one entity/group feels this way, they have the right to ask snd the other side has a humane right to answer.
May not happen, but its the only realistic start to solving anything, I can see.

Then, based on the answers, start that back and forth of why one feels/believes a certain way, find potential holes in the reasoning and point them out in a way that turns the light on and doesn't slam the door shut to further communication/ mutual education.

The less we understand each other the more we will fight. The more we try to understand one another will increase the percentages of finding peace for all.
 
RR7 said:
What sort of open dialogue is one supposed to have when their friends and/or family members are called creatures who deserve no mercy?

When someone advocates for taking away rights from a group of people, what does that honest dialogue look like? When someone advocates for withholding something like universal healthcare from ALL, because of a few bad apples, what does that dialogue look like?

What is there to say to someone who wants to deny people basic human rights? Who withhold basic decency because eww, they're not like me? Because I've tried. And after so long, and seeing friends and family members hurt and affected/effected, I don't honestly give a fuck any more.

If you(not YOU, general speaking) come out with hateful speech, fuck you. If you want to say someone doesn't get equal treatment because of their race or sexual preferences, fuck you. It's no longer my job to educate you. there's plenty of evidence available on ways to treat people with kindness and respect. If you choose to go against it because it doesn't fit with your lily white, religious, cookie cutter suburban bullshit, I ain't got time for it.

And if you say people have to die to protect gun rights, and empathy is a new fangled bad thing, then sorry, I don't give a god damn when the find out part comes from your fucking around. I've got too much fear for the lives of family members to give a flying fuck about a douche bag spewing hate speech getting a proper education out of respect.
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When discussing these things with peers and you stop and then say fuck you, you lost and they won. Regardless of right or wrong, you just let them win.
Again. Im not referring to Kirk or Trump. Im referring to those you interact with daily that do not share your views.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
When discussing these things with peers and you stop and then say fuck you, you lost and they won. Regardless of right or wrong, you just let them win.
Again. Im not referring to Kirk or Trump. Im referring to those you interact with daily that do not share your views.
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If I tell someone who doesn't want a family member of mine to exist to fuck off, I didn't lose. And they didn't win shit. I have no desire for open dialogue with these people. You can both sides it all you want to. But both sidesing it gives more voice and power to the "wrong side" by legitimizing it as an equal viewpoint worthy of discussion and debate.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Whoa. Bunch of assumptions again.
First your first post in this thread was not open and honest dialogue. it was rage and hatred. But it was deleted….
Second i never said this alone is eroding us.
No. Im saying without this, we wont fix anything. Many things are taking us down, but there is a first step in rectification and that is what im saying. Open and honest dialogue with those we disagree with is the first step to a resolution.
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Cool. Have we not had open dialogue since? Did I not say i apologized and self reflected? Thank you. I preemptively accept your apology.

Please, in our current climate, please explain and post discussion in detail about how to have open and honest dialogue with racists and bigots. Help me to understand how to better talk to them. Because apparently this first step of yours should be so easy, so lets do that. Im all ears.

Your view is myopic. It doesnt take into effect the actual severity of the erosion this country is in. 30 years ago? Hell yeah, you could have conversations. Totally agree.

But thats not NOW. Right before he got shot and killed, Kirk said 5 people who identified as Trans committed mass shootings. In the last 12 years (ish) there have been over 5,500 mass shootings (identified as 4 or more deaths within an event).

To Kirks credit, he held "discussions"... and how did that go? Did it unite anybody? Only the ones that wanted to target a minority.

So what the hell is open and honest dialogue going to do? We need people in positions of movement to be in place so we can protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But we dont. #1 is getting people in place. Not dialogue. Thats gone. Times have changed. It use to be #1 but its so bad now.

You have hopes and a way youd like it to go... but its not feasible, like I and others have routinely said in this thread. And quite frankly, I dont know if youre ever going to understand it, despite its basic nature. And that is a you problem, ill rest knowing what the reality of this dire situation is. And it fucking sucks all the way around.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
i think most of the division came from lack of trying to help each other understand snd instead using it as a political divide to vilify thy neighbor. This was done by us and our lack of emotional control. Not them.
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Actually a lot of people came together during the pandemic. During the lockdown. It brought people closer even if people couldn't be together physically.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Sorry, what does it mean scientists can have agendas? Exactly what it implies aNd i posted a search about it. Sorry, i thought i answered your question previously.
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What does it imply? I'm asking because when several people read, the same inference was had?
 
RR7 said:
If I tell someone who doesn't want a family member of mine to exist to fuck off, I didn't lose. And they didn't win shit. I have no desire for open dialogue with these people. You can both sides it all you want to. But both sidesing it gives more voice and power to the "wrong side" by legitimizing it as an equal viewpoint worthy of discussion and debate.
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okay. But when they pass laws minimizing your existence, you DID lose. If they get the end game they want, you lost. Whether you see it or not.

what you are failing to understand, or im failing to explain, is that if they get their way, they win. And when we fight with each other, they win.
Whether its worthy or not, the moment you stop taking the high road, they win. That's what they want. They want you to stoop like them. They want war. They think with war all opposition can be eliminated.
Yeah, they win. Hope I'm explaining that for a better understanding. If, in the end, they eradicate what they don't like because the masses are too busy pointing fingers at each other, they win.
 
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