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Phatguysrule said:
But there were clear suggestions from epidemiologists.

The people who followed those suggestions (even as more information became available and the recommendations changed) had better results than the people who didn't.

The reluctance to listen to those epidemiologists and eagerness to fight their recommendations are what divided everyone.
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i think most of the division came from lack of trying to help each other understand snd instead using it as a political divide to vilify thy neighbor. This was done by us and our lack of emotional control. Not them.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
i think most of the division came from lack of trying to help each other understand snd instead using it as a political divide to vilify thy neighbor.
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If somebody is deliberately disregarding epidemiologists recommendations during a pandemic (by definition putting others in danger) their neighbors are probably going to be pissed.

That is a result of a lack of respect for academia and science, IMO.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If somebody is deliberately disregarding epidemiologists recommendations during a pandemic (by definition putting others in danger) their neighbors are probably going to be pissed.

That is a result of a lack of respect for academia and science, IMO.
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i post where scientists were not all in agreement regarding the effect of masks and some other things.

we all know about the algorithms. We all know we may not all be getting the same information/news.
Instead of discussing with thy neighbor, we vilified them.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Who would he consider the most Looney left? Bernie Sanders? I challenge anybody to find any instance of Bernie Sanders advocating for violence in any way.

These people are fucking morons.
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I think a disconnect here is that it's not really public figures who are celebrating Kirk's death on the left. It's young people mostly, flooding social media with jokes. And, to be honest, the average liberal with a dark sense of humor might be a little naive on consequences because they haven't developed a cancel culture victimization complex like the MAGA right has. Shocking amount of highly educated morons out there posting burner account stuff on their LinkedIn profiles.

It's not really my scene but a prominent leftist streamer named Hasan who said something about America deserving 9/11 or something edgy in the same vein was clearly shaken up by Charlie's death. He had to tell the chat in his stream to stop joking about it. It's the audiences that these guys cater to, these terminally online young men, that take things way too far.

I'm not sure what the solution is besides additional monitoring, but by whom? The incompetent, often complicit FBI?
 
sheed30 said:
did you do some research? There is pics of him dressed as a women....also real peoeple that knew him from school have talked about how he was, what his views were, and he made a song about Charlie Kirk dead at 31 as well before all of this...
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Big deal there’s pictures of Winston Churchill in drag, was he trans?
 
One side says hey, this suggestion could help. Scientists are suggesting it, let's give it a shot. The other side says fuck you, my freedumbs. First side says you're an idiot and making it worse. Both are in the wrong??
 
Hoopguru said:
Just an example of crazies on both ends of extremism.

Im 75 years old and do remember days when that happened and righty exre,eisr bowing up abortion clinics.
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I would bet it was more prevalent in the past. I wonder what the stats would say now.

I'll let someone else dive into that rabbit hole.
 
riverman said:
I'm really glad they caught this kid. As a 22 year old with no voting record, it's something concerning to us all that that kid would take up arms to voice his political dissatisfaction rather than trust the system to hold corrupt leaders accountable. This is where you need criminal psychologists to study how we got to this point. These recent shooters are young angry males...used to be mostly old angry males.
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The social media influence, period. Curated chaos.
 
bulls_with_booz said:
I think a disconnect here is that it's not really public figures who are celebrating Kirk's death on the left. It's young people mostly, flooding social media with jokes. And, to be honest, the average liberal with a dark sense of humor might be a little naive on consequences because they haven't developed a cancel culture victimization complex like the MAGA right has. Shocking amount of highly educated morons out there posting burner account stuff on their LinkedIn profiles.

It's not really my scene but a prominent leftist streamer named Hasan who said something about America deserving 9/11 or something edgy in the same vein was clearly shaken up by Charlie's death. He had to tell the chat in his stream to stop joking about it. It's the audiences that these guys cater to, these terminally online young men, that take things way too far.

I'm not sure what the solution is besides additional monitoring, but by whom? The incompetent, often complicit FBI?
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It has to come from increased access to education health care improve social safety net and getting back to an education system based on facts and data.

Religion needs to be pushed far outside of any mandatory education, work, or government function.

People should be free to worship how they please as long as it doesn't interfere and is not imposed on others.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I have yet to see any epidemiologist who disagreed with any of those recommendations.
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okay. I googled and posted. It didn't give names but claimed some disagreed.
But instead of discussing, you claim im harmful. Why? For doing a search and posting what i found? If what i found is not accurate then that also proves my point. We dont all know the same things. True facts are hard to find. We must have open snd homest dialogue to get thru this. Someone may be disregarding scientists because their news feed told them to.
Many people dont know who to trust and you are claiming thats my fault or peoples fault. Instead of engaging in conversations to figure out how they came to that confusion, you say they are wrong and harmful.
That is not open and honest dialogue.
This is part of what I'm referring to.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
the point originated from the conflicting reports of covid and how to handle it. Whether intentional malicious agendas or not there was disagreement. But that isn't my point. My point is the public reaction. How we react and interact. In the beginning it was not clear the best course but people were vilified for not agreeing with others on how to handle things.
My whole point has been how we communicate with one another regarding what is going on.
This whole conversation has done nothing but prove my point. There is little open and honest dialogue. Just a bunch of finger pointing to anyone who disagrees and claiming they are evil or the problem.
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I reject the notion that I didnt have open and honest dialogue.

You're just under the utopian belief that it alone is the reason we arent getting better AND its the way we get better.

We have laid out a multitude of reasons why its eroded, from disbelief in science and education, to the advent of social media used as misinformation highways.

At some point that needs to be acknowledged, but your feet got stuck in the mud. Thats where the frustration is coming from.

This is WAY more than words and dialogue can fix because the actions that could even come from that are stopped at the corrupt powers that have precipitated all of this.

Yes, itd be NICE if words and dialogue did it, but that simply isnt reality anymore. That ship has sailed. And its really fucking sad.
 
Chris Craig said:
I get this point. I responded to it an earlier post.

But, you aren't answering my question.
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Sorry, what does it mean scientists can have agendas? Exactly what it implies aNd i posted a search about it. Sorry, i thought i answered your question previously.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
i post where scientists were not all in agreement regarding the effect of masks and some other things.

we all know about the algorithms. We all know we may not all be getting the same information/news.
Instead of discussing with thy neighbor, we vilified them.
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well, on one side there were people talking about the effectiveness of masks, social distancing, and washing hands while advocating for the efficacy of vaccines while on the other side there was a president advocating for people to chug bleach and take a livestock de-wormer
 
Strenuus said:
I reject the notion that I didnt have open and honest dialogue.

You're just under the utopian belief that it alone is the reason we arent getting better AND its the way we get better.

We have laid out a multitude of reasons why its eroded, from disbelief in science and education, to the advent of social media used as misinformation highways.

At some point that needs to be acknowledged, but your feet got stuck in the mud. Thats where the frustration is coming from.

This is WAY more than words and dialogue can fix because the actions that could even come from that are stopped at the corrupt powers that have precipitated all of this.

Yes, itd be NICE if words and dialogue did it, but that simply isnt reality anymore. That ship has sailed. And its really fucking sad.
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Whoa. Bunch of assumptions again.
First your first post in this thread was not open and honest dialogue. it was rage and hatred. But it was deleted….
Second i never said this alone is eroding us.
No. Im saying without this, we wont fix anything. Many things are taking us down, but there is a first step in rectification and that is what im saying. Open and honest dialogue with those we disagree with is the first step to a resolution.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Big deal there’s pictures of Winston Churchill in drag, was he trans?
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Big deal huh? There is pics of him wearing makeup in highschool, people that know him talked about what he was like in school…

yet big deal huh?

just like some here claimed it was Israel that killed him or that Trump took him out?

What’s your definition of someone that likes to wears women makeup up and wears a women’s wig?
 
wizenheimer said:
well, on one side there were people talking about the effectiveness of masks, social distancing, and washing hands while advocating for the efficacy of vaccines while on the other side there was a president advocating for people to chug bleach and take a livestock de-wormer
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True.
 
wizenheimer said:
well, on one side there were people talking about the effectiveness of masks, social distancing, and washing hands while advocating for the efficacy of vaccines while on the other side there was a president advocating for people to chug bleach and take a livestock de-wormer
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lol did you ever talk ivermectin? Or did you just listen to what reports and the media said about it?

I know first hand people that took it and got better the next day, all symptoms went away within 36-48 hrs.

Joe Rogan also took it when he had Covid, talks about him firsthand experience about it. And others too

If you didn’t take it personal or know anyone that did then you’re only going on second and third hand opinions.

don’t follow the herd or you will step in shit

 
RR7 said:
One side says hey, this suggestion could help. Scientists are suggesting it, let's give it a shot. The other side says fuck you, my freedumbs. First side says you're an idiot and making it worse. Both are in the wrong??
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You are still fixating on who is right and wrong and finger pointing.
If they said fuck you my freedom comes first then maybe there wasn't a unified and clear education push for all to understand, especially since the early stages had mixed reports on how masks would evne help? Instead of providing more education, they were told they are the problem. The education came later.

But this is all so far off track from my original statement. Of course both sodes need to be open and honest. Of course they are not the same and one may be worse than the other. BUt to claim it is only one side is naive at best.
Just because they are worse, two wrongs make a right?


It doesn't matter. They are both right. They are both wrong. Education only comes from open ears and eager minds. Both teacher and student. Not angry emotional outbursts.

The push back on my original statement is…. Well I guess expected, considering the current social climate.
Like i said. Even intelligent/educated folks are falling into this war of division instead of searching for common ground and unity to build from, to earn trust, to then educate each other on our differences.
 
sheed30 said:
lol did you ever talk ivermectin? Or did you just listen to what reports and the media said about it?

I know first hand people that took it and got better the next day, all symptoms went away within 36-48 hrs.

Joe Rogan also took it when he had Covid, talks about him firsthand experience about it. And others too

If you didn’t take it personal or know anyone that did then you’re only going on second and third hand opinions.

don’t follow the herd or you will step in shit
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Joe Rogan was vaccinated before that ..the guy takes about 30 supplements a day, he's hardly a good example of invermectin curing covid although I have yet to hear of that happening in unvaccinated people. Joe was vaxxed and took it....which cured him/ His vaccination or his invermectin or one of the dozens of supplements he takes? Rogan is the last place to search for the voice of reason around covid. If it worked for your friends, cool....I've never had covid but at 71 I've had 4 vaccination shots and I'm on heart meds...I've improved since getting vaxxed. My experience is that my family was protected by the vaccine. Never getting covid to me is like not stepping in shit. Covid was a damned good reason to be overly cautious with safety measures. So was SARS and I lived through that epidemic too....happy to wear a mask and wash my hands often. Never got SARS either. Modern medicine has protected me many times. I'm a fan.
 
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SharpeScooterShooter said:
okay. I googled and posted. It didn't give names but claimed some disagreed.
But instead of discussing, you claim im harmful. Why? For doing a search and posting what i found? If what i found is not accurate then that also proves my point. We dont all know the same things. True facts are hard to find. We must have open snd homest dialogue to get thru this. Someone may be disregarding scientists because their news feed told them to.
Many people dont know who to trust and you are claiming thats my fault or peoples fault. Instead of engaging in conversations to figure out how they came to that confusion, you say they are wrong and harmful.
That is not open and honest dialogue.
This is part of what I'm referring to.
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By not respecting academia and science a lot more people died than needed to during COVID.

This has led to kids at schools not wanting to listen to teachers. Acting out when teachers try to teach science. When they try to teach politics. To the point the teachers avoid teaching these things.

It's dangerous.
 
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riverman said:
Joe Rogan was vaccinated before that ..the guy takes about 30 supplements a day, he's hardly a good example of invermectin curing covid although I have yet to hear of that happening in unvaccinated people. Joe was vaxxed and took it....which cured him/ His vaccination or his invermectin or one of the dozens of supplements he takes? Rogan is the last place to search for the voice of reason around covid. If it worked for your friends, cool....I've never had covid but at 71 I've had 4 vaccination shots and I'm on heart meds...I've improved since getting vaxxed. My experience is that my family was protected by the vaccine. Never getting covid to me is like not stepping in shit.
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What does Rogan 30 supplements have to do with it?
He was sick as a dog with covid WHEN he was vaccinated…then invermectin got him better soon right after. And others. And first hand experience from my family then never got vaccinated and took invermectin, and got better right away.

Remember when they said taking the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid? Lmao what a joke that was.


good for you that the vaccine worked, but what about others that had the side affect of the vaccine and died because of it like my friends mom did?

if you didn’t take or have any first hand experience of someone taking invermectin and your repeating what the media said about it your just a pond in their chess board. Not talking to you directly, the other guy.

they made tons of money of the vaccine, ofcourse they wouldn’t want anyone buying cheap invermectin.
 
sheed30 said:
lol did you ever talk ivermectin? Or did you just listen to what reports and the media said about it?

I know first hand people that took it and got better the next day, all symptoms went away within 36-48 hrs.

Joe Rogan also took it when he had Covid, talks about him firsthand experience about it. And others too

If you didn’t take it personal or know anyone that did then you’re only going on second and third hand opinions.

don’t follow the herd or you will step in shit
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Most people's symptoms from COVID went away and 36 to 48 hours from the time you started getting sick enough to actually take medicine.

Mine did and I didn't take Ivermectin.
 
sheed30 said:
What does Rogan 30 supplements have to do with it?
He was sick as a dog with covid WHEN he was vaccinated…then invermectin got him better soon right after. And others. And first hand experience from my family then never got vaccinated and took invermectin, and got better right away.

Remember when they said taking the vaccine will prevent you from getting Covid? Lmao what a joke that was.


good for you that the vaccine worked, but what about others that had the side affect of the vaccine and died because of it like my friends mom did?

if you didn’t take or have any first hand experience of someone taking invermectin and your repeating what the media said about it your just a pond in their chess board. Not talking to you directly, the other guy.

they made tons of money of the vaccine, ofcourse they wouldn’t want anyone buying cheap invermectin.
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Wow, my experience sounds exactly like Joe Rogan's. Except I didn't take ivermectin.
 
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