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KSF-ERIC said:
Because he’s a decent guy and they respected that.
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Is that why Nurk pretty much openly rioted against him? And there were rumors of Stotts losing the team and blah blah blah

a decent guy has nothing to do with basketball knowledge, prowess or acumen. Being a “decent guy” doesn’t deserve respect, as that should be a basic human requirement.

they may have respected him for being a “decent guy” but clearly *at least* Nurk didn’t entirely respect him because he’s a shit coach. I’m sure he lost other ppl on the team based on his silly stupid schemes also - offensively AND defensively.
 
I saw a tweet for Blazers courtside and an interview with Billups. Anyone know where to find it?
 
Everyone seems to be putting a lot of expectations on Coach Billups but we need to remember this is year one. He doesn’t have any head coaching experience and very little coaching experience at all compared to many other candidates. I agree he shows all the early signs of a good choice but hardly any coaches are truly good right out of the gate.

If this team is going to succeed year one, it’s going to be because Lillard is on-court coach and has the respect to bring everyone forward.
 
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Everyone seems to be putting a lot of expectations on Coach Billups but we need to remember this is year one. He doesn’t have any head coaching experience and very little coaching experience at all compared to many other candidates. I agree he shows all the early signs of a good choice but hardly any coaches are truly good right out of the gate.

If this team is going to succeed year one, it’s going to be because Lillard is on-court coach and has the respect to bring everyone forward.
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That is true and he should be allowed to make mistakes and gain experiences over a certain time period. Still, I have some hopes/expectations in Billups to learn from his mistakes sooner than later and make that team better (together with Dame as an on-court coach as you say).
 
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Everyone seems to be putting a lot of expectations on Coach Billups but we need to remember this is year one. He doesn’t have any head coaching experience and very little coaching experience at all compared to many other candidates. I agree he shows all the early signs of a good choice but hardly any coaches are truly good right out of the gate.

If this team is going to succeed year one, it’s going to be because Lillard is on-court coach and has the respect to bring everyone forward.
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I'm just excited to have a new voice. Inexperienced as far as being a coach, sure... but God it feels good to have a new coach.
 
Strenuus said:
I'm just excited to have a new voice. Inexperienced as far as being a coach, sure... but God it feels good to have a new coach.
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Agreed.
Just hearing the bits and peices of what he's choosing to emphasize is a breath of fresh air.

Do you think we'll ever hear a post-game interview where he explains a loss away as 'well, they just hit their shots'? I'm willing to bet we wouldn't need to listen to that excuse again. :clap:
 
shame they don't record Courtside anymore. Was surprised to learn it's still on tbh.
 
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Everyone seems to be putting a lot of expectations on Coach Billups but we need to remember this is year one. He doesn’t have any head coaching experience and very little coaching experience at all compared to many other candidates. I agree he shows all the early signs of a good choice but hardly any coaches are truly good right out of the gate.

If this team is going to succeed year one, it’s going to be because Lillard is on-court coach and has the respect to bring everyone forward.
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I feel like he had some pretty solid experience as 6 years as floor general for Detroit's 'Bad Boys" Winning the championship against the Lakers who still had Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone and Gary Payton. they won because they played team ball with super defense - the two areas that the Blazers need to improve in. Also he has with Dame as his current "floor general" one of the greatest of all time who can help him coach from within. Yes he will have a learning curve but my guess is that he's already ahead of the curve.
 
Kano John said:
I feel like he had some pretty solid experience as 6 years as floor general for Detroit's 'Bad Boys" Winning the championship against the Lakers who still had Shaq, Kobe, Karl Malone and Gary Payton. they won because they played team ball with super defense - the two areas that the Blazers need to improve in. Also he has with Dame as his current "floor general" one of the greatest of all time who can help him coach from within. Yes he will have a learning curve but my guess is that he's already ahead of the curve.
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I’m not saying he won’t be a good, or even great coach. I just pointing out that most good coaches struggle. Monty Williams just won COY but his first year in 2019 was rough. Nate McMilian with the Blazers was not good, but now he’s pretty great.

It takes time for the coach to learn how to get through and it takes players a while to build the layers of knowledge they need to take a big step. I think Billups stands a very good chance of being a good coach but this year might not show that quality in the record. Hope it does, but generally it doesn’t.
 
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I’m not saying he won’t be a good, or even great coach. I just pointing out that most good coaches struggle. Monty Williams just won COY but his first year in 2019 was rough. Nate McMilian with the Blazers was not good, but now he’s pretty great.

It takes time for the coach to learn how to get through and it takes players a while to build the layers of knowledge they need to take a big step. I think Billups stands a very good chance of being a good coach but this year might not show that quality in the record. Hope it does, but generally it doesn’t.
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Both Steve Kerr and Steve Nash had super successful first seasons coaching...Brad Stevens had a good rookie NBA season..the game used to recycle the same veteran coaches over and over and over until they were just aging themselves...Chauncey learned from George Karl, Larry Brown...a bunch of good coaches in his days and he brought Scott Brooks along as a first mate to help out just like Nash did with D'Antoni...Chauncey is well known for a superb basketball IQ....he's going to surprise people...I think he'll be better than Kerr or Nash
 
riverman said:
Both Steve Kerr and Steve Nash had super successful first seasons coaching...Brad Stevens had a good rookie NBA season..the game used to recycle the same veteran coaches over and over and over until they were just aging themselves...Chauncey learned from George Karl, Larry Brown...a bunch of good coaches in his days and he brought Scott Brooks along as a first mate to help out just like Nash did with D'Antoni...Chauncey is well known for a superb basketball IQ....he's going to surprise people...I think he'll be better than Kerr or Nash
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It won't surprise me if he's fantastic and really gets a lot out of whatever roster he's given. I am hoping he gets a more balanced roster with parts that fit together, so he can really show the best of what he can do.
 
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Everyone seems to be putting a lot of expectations on Coach Billups but we need to remember this is year one. He doesn’t have any head coaching experience and very little coaching experience at all compared to many other candidates. I agree he shows all the early signs of a good choice but hardly any coaches are truly good right out of the gate.

If this team is going to succeed year one, it’s going to be because Lillard is on-court coach and has the respect to bring everyone forward.
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He wasn’t brought here for “low expectations.” For good (or bad) he has high expectations — and Neil set them high for him as well.

Secondly, this team will literally go as far as Billups and his coaching adjustments take the team especially if we truly “run it back.”

Lillard as an “on court coach” isn’t dictating defensive schemes. Isn’t changing the offense. Isn’t getting Nurk & Powell more involved in different ways.

We know what has happened with this core in the past. Olshey things switching out coaches is enough. That’s the ultimate “high expectations” move. In my opinion of course
 
Love his teaching style but coaching x and O’s and knowing when to call timeouts is going to take some time. Having Brooks is going to be huge help
 
Chauncey is saying all the right things but it's still up to the players to actually execute. That is going to require most of our guys to display abilities they haven't shown in their careers yet. I'm hoping for the best but I'm also not holding my breath.
 
riverman said:
Both Steve Kerr and Steve Nash had super successful first seasons coaching...Brad Stevens had a good rookie NBA season..the game used to recycle the same veteran coaches over and over and over until they were just aging themselves...Chauncey learned from George Karl, Larry Brown...a bunch of good coaches in his days and he brought Scott Brooks along as a first mate to help out just like Nash did with D'Antoni...Chauncey is well known for a superb basketball IQ....he's going to surprise people...I think he'll be better than Kerr or Nash
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in Kerr's 1st season he had Curry-Klay-Draymond and an incredibly talented bench. Nash had Durant-Irving-Harden. Portland has Dame. Huge difference in high end talent, and in Kerr's case at least, huge difference in the talent of the supporting cast. At this stage, those two are poor comps for Billups IMO. So is Stevens in that he spent 7 years as an assistant coach, then 7 years as a head coach at Butler before accepting the Boston job. That's 14 years of coaching experience to 1 for Billups
 
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wizenheimer said:
in Kerr's 1st season he had Curry-Klay-Draymond and an incredibly talented bench. Nash had Durant-Irving-Harden. Portland has Dame. Huge difference in high end talent, and in Kerr's case at least, huge difference in the talent of the supporting cast. At this stage, those two are poor comps for Billups IMO. So is Stevens in that he spent 7 years as an assistant coach, then 7 years as a head coach at Butler before accepting the Boston job. That's 14 years of coaching experience
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This was pretty close to what I was about to respond, but even better.

this isn’t to say Billups isn’t going to be a great coach, just that history isn’t on his side for year one. Unfortunately, that could mean Lillard asks out. I hope I’m wrong, but Neil has pissed away opportunities and choosing a new coach who is a first time coach may prove to be his mistake that finally pushes Dame out. I know Dame is a fan of Billups, but if the wins don’t add up, regardless of how good Billups could be long-term, this could be a disaster.
 
wizenheimer said:
in Kerr's 1st season he had Curry-Klay-Draymond and an incredibly talented bench. Nash had Durant-Irving-Harden. Portland has Dame. Huge difference in high end talent, and in Kerr's case at least, huge difference in the talent of the supporting cast. At this stage, those two are poor comps for Billups IMO. So is Stevens in that he spent 7 years as an assistant coach, then 7 years as a head coach at Butler before accepting the Boston job. That's 14 years of coaching experience to 1 for Billups
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I think we have more talent thanjust Dame...Norm..CJ Nurk...are not chopped liver...I also think as a first year coach Chauncey has a stronger defensive foundation going in than Kerr or Nash had...no knock on either guy ...they are good coaches.
 
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This was pretty close to what I was about to respond, but even better.

this isn’t to say Billups isn’t going to be a great coach, just that history isn’t on his side for year one. Unfortunately, that could mean Lillard asks out. I hope I’m wrong, but Neil has pissed away opportunities and choosing a new coach who is a first time coach may prove to be his mistake that finally pushes Dame out. I know Dame is a fan of Billups, but if the wins don’t add up, regardless of how good Billups could be long-term, this could be a disaster.
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In his presser before leaving to Japan (I know a lot could have changed since then) Dame was asked directly if Chauncey might be a big enough change to satisfy him and he said that Chauncey might be the best coach ever and looking at the team, he still couldn't see a contender. So that kind of sums things up pretty well. Maybe Neil and Chauncey sold him on something different that night but he sounded pretty certain.

I just can't imagine he's OK with what's happened with the roster this off season or more accurately what hasn't happened. He talked about missing out on some free agent targets but he couldn't have thought we were a TPMLE signing away from contending. Oh well, I guess we'll see.
 
I don't buy any of the Dame spin...listen to Norm talk about Dame since Tokyo...it's the opposite of him wanting to leave..it's him being excited to beast with Norm...Dame is entering a giant contract...I hope people don't spend the next few years making this a story about him leaving ...I think that's the last thing on his mind
 
riverman said:
I don't buy any of the Dame spin...listen to Norm talk about Dame since Tokyo...it's the opposite of him wanting to leave..it's him being excited to beast with Norm...Dame is entering a giant contract...I hope people don't spend the next few years making this a story about him leaving ...I think that's the last thing on his mind
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We know it's not the last thing on his mind, he told us that straight up but I think he's decided that he's giving this team a chance and for Dame I think that means he's fully invested. If this upcoming season looks like last season though (where we beat the bad teams and lose to all of the good ones) I think Dame's attention will turn to what he can reasonably expect his future to look like. This isn't spin... he said that for the first time he didn't know where his future would be and that he had to make that decision. If you're saying that what has happened since then has made that decision for him, that's fine but I don't know why. I just don't know what would have factored into that decision that he seemed so uncertain about at the presser, since that presser.
 
riverman said:
I don't buy any of the Dame spin...listen to Norm talk about Dame since Tokyo...it's the opposite of him wanting to leave..it's him being excited to beast with Norm...Dame is entering a giant contract...I hope people don't spend the next few years making this a story about him leaving ...I think that's the last thing on his mind
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I hope you're right, but I think it's a stretch to act like Dame isn't considering his future with the team at all. I'm not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion at this point.
 
Tince said:
I hope you're right, but I think it's a stretch to act like Dame isn't considering his future with the team at all. I'm not sure how anyone could come to that conclusion at this point.
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I think the situation is pretty complex

to start with, I think Dame does not trust Olshey. If he did he wouldn't have gone over Olshey's head to talk to Paul Allen 3 years ago. Adding on to that, I think Dame suspects the Vulcans don't really care about contending or holding Olshey accountable

Dame did an interview a few weeks before the playoffs. Essentially, he said that 'this' year's team was different; that it had a better focus & feel than any past team he was on. He expected them to be very competitive in the playoffs. Then, Denver happened, and that loss, when none of his teammates really stepped up, knocked the pins out from under his expectations and perceptions. I suspect it was the biggest disappointment of his Portland career.

then, Olshey gave that press conference where he threw Stotts under the bus, said the roster was fine, and dodged accountability. Even if Dame realized it was time for Stotts to go I have to believe that the way Olshey treated Stotts in that presser rankled Dame...a lot

so, Dame lacked confidence in both management and ownership and was deeply disappointed with his team's performance against Denver. Then, he watched the Bucks win the championship just months after they traded for a player that Dame has lots of respect for. And he watched the Suns get to the finals in their 1st year after making a big trade and spending their MLE wisely. So he reacted and said the things he did. Then, in a very real way, Olshey threw Dame under the bus and let Dame take the heat for Portland considering Kidd and Billups as head coach candidates...or at least Olshey didn't offer Dame any cover. Dame couldn't have been anything else but a mixture of disappointed and angry

but, on the other side of the scale, rests his love of Portland, the city and the franchise. A love and contentment he has voiced over and over for the last 9 years. And, as the sting of the playoff exit and the aftermath has lessened, I'd think the weight grows heavier on this side of the scale. And the depth of loyalty could run a lot deeper than the disappointment of this season's end

I don't think there is any doubt that Dame will be fully committed to this season. There is some doubt about his total loyalty to Portland though. But I'd think there is some substantial "time heals all wounds" at work here. I would not expect Dame to take the pressure off Olshey by declaring that loyalty though
 
Mediocre Man said:
Since this is a thread about Billups and not whatever that post was about, I’d like to say how different the defense looks already.

pressing and pushing is a sight for sore eyes.

colapsing and rotating has been missing since Adelman
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I saw Greg Oden collapse a couple of times
 
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