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are you happy that chauncey billups got the job

  • yes

    Votes: 80 59.7%

  • no

    Votes: 10 7.5%

  • yes, but he was not my first choice

    Votes: 19 14.2%

  • meh, im indifferent

    Votes: 25 18.7%
  • Total voters
    134
Brett Kavanaugh was a rapist. Chauncey, OTOH, was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Good -
No charges…….That’s it


Bad -
His story makes no sense
He settled
Only 2-11% of rape cases are false
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His story could easily make sense if circumstances paint a grim picture on an otherwise consensual encounter. Let's say it was all consensual, but admitting to taking part in a train would still lead to serious aspersions and innuendo despite what could very possibly be totally innocent behavior given consent had taken place. Perhaps one lie(hers) beget another(his) in order for him to distance himself entirely. That's an easily plausible scenario. Other scenarios include sex that was consensual but was more rough than she wanted but for her part she was too afraid to speak out. That fear is no none else's responsibility and it's incumbent upon people in a sexual encounter to speak up for themselves. This movement towards affirmative consent is recent and hamfisted understanding of sexual dynamics, so only retconning pieces of shit would analyze it from that perspective. Of course, she could well have been raped against her protestations. There is an entire spectrum of plausible scenarios that could portray either side as guilty, or both as guilty and to varying degrees of severity.

Him settling doesn't necessarily mean shit in the context or severity of guilt and you should know better.


That statistic is incredibly misleading. These are simply cases proven to be false, not thrown out for lack of evidence which is the vast majority of cases. We don't know how many cases are actually false accusations. This case for example, why do you even bring up that statistic given this case was never pursued, and therefore isn't included in that statistical analysis.
 
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sheed30 said:
Woj just talked about it, Portland did their homework on the case, Billups addressed it with them, and they are moving on with a deal to make him the next coach in a nutshell.
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If I were the Blazers, I'd want to make damn sure that (a) there was nothing to this, and (b) he was the best available candidate.

I'm not confident they did either one. I sure hope they did.

barfo
 
barfo said:
If I were the Blazers, I'd want to make damn sure that (a) there was nothing to this, and (b) he was the best available candidate.

I'm not confident they did either one. I sure hope they did.

barfo
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Realistically how do you confirm that there was nothing to this?
 
sheed30 said:
Woj just talked about it, Portland did their homework on the case, Billups addressed it with them, and they are moving on with a deal to make him the next coach in a nutshell.
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Probably not going to be a popular opinion…

but thank god.

Say what you want about Billups as a coach, but it’s clear that the Blazers did their research and hired the best coach *all parties* thought was available.

would’ve been really annoying if we lost a coach due to public opinion
 
JoshuaHall said:
Probably not going to be a popular opinion…

but thank god.

Say what you want about Billups as a coach, but it’s clear that the Blazers did their research and hired the best coach *all parties* thought was available.

would’ve been really annoying if we lost a coach due to public opinion
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speaks to the general arrogance/ignorance of certain individuals to even assume that it wasn’t brought up and vetted by the multiple companies that have employed him in the past 20+ years.
 
Scalma said:
speaks to the general arrogance of certain individuals to even assume that it wasn’t brought up and vetted by the multiple companies that have employed him in the past 20+ years.
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But seriously though, how do you go about vetting that?
 
Scalma said:
idk, that’s not my job. But I’m certain it was by those who it is.
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I think it's more likely that they decided that they could live with the backlash for Billups, but not for Kidd.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think it's more likely that they decided that they could live with the backlash for Billups, but not for Kidd.
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I don’t think they ever considered Kidd. Olshey was set on Billups the whole time, I’m sure of it.
 
Paraphrasing Adrian Wojnarowski: Blazers know that multiple organizations have vetted Chauncey Billups' sexual assault from 1997 and felt comfortable enough with his version of events to hire him. They also asked Billups about this on Wednesday and his version of events was consistent with what other organizations had found. The Blazers continued through Thursday and Friday to do as much digging as possible on this allegation and felt comfortable enough in hiring him in a head coaching capacity.

The Blazers organization and other organizations before it likely know more than ANY of us, so when it comes to an allegation that may or may not be true and was never proven, I'm going to put my trust these organizations properly vetted this allegation.
 


Woj's direct quote:

"The Blazers met with Chauncey Billups in Seattle on Wednesday and he was convinced that he was their choice after that meeting, but I'm told they continued their own internal investigation into those charges Thusday and Friday before they offered him that job Friday night. Portland knows that Chauncey Billups had been vetted by a number of other organizations prior to this process including the Clippers who hired him as an assistant coach last year and the Cleveland Cavaliers who previously offered Chauncey Billups an elevated position: President of Basketball Operations. They didn't rely on those probes, and I'm told in their conversations with Chauncey Billups he recounted his version of those events a number of times, including with Neil Olshey, the president of basketball operations and their owner Jody Allen, and those aligned with what their investigations had found. So they're continuing now to finish a contract, terms on a deal, and you can expect Chauncey Billups introduced as the Blazers new head coach, perhaps as soon as early next week."

Take this for what you will I guess.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Credible rape allegations seems more than “baggage”
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I see what you did there. You overreached. I did not comment or make anything with respect to Billups or an alleged rape allegation. I said everyone has baggage. In response to you saying Portland couldn’t find someone without baggage. Nice try, though, to twist what I said. Kudos. Par for your fucking golf course. You needn’t try so hard to make a point.

“It’s not Canzano’s fault that

A. Billups was involved in whatever
B. The Blazers hired him with others available with no baggage“
 
TheHobbit said:
I'm kind of baffled by people who think this way. Everyone has baggage of some kind, but not everyone has "rape accusation and settlement" level of baggage.
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In no way did I defend Billups or accusations of rape. It was pretty obvious I was referring to the point of finding someone “without baggage”. I’m baffled by people who make such a strong leap. I even commented specifically on Hammons and not Billups.
 
Based on what Woj said, the Blazers knew on Wednesday, but spent two days doing their own investigations. The news about Ime Udoka and Boston also came out on Wednesday and the reports there was that Billups was actually their first choice. So it certainly sounds like Boston knew at that point and Billups actually chose Portland over Boston even though many people had the Boston job as being more coveted than this one.
 
B-Roy said:
Based on what Woj said, the Blazers knew on Wednesday, but spent two days doing their own investigations. The news about Ime Udoka and Boston also came out on Wednesday and the reports there was that Billups was actually their first choice. So it certainly sounds like Boston knew at that point and Billups actually chose Portland over Boston even though many people had the Boston job as being more coveted than this one.
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which I’m still confused by. Celtics were a .500 club that just lost their starting point guard. Tatum and Brown are good players, but neither is on Lillards level. Beyond those two is their roster really that much better? And like Portland they also don’t have a first round pick.
 
B-Roy said:


Woj's direct quote:

"The Blazers met with Chauncey Billups in Seattle on Wednesday and he was convinced that he was their choice after that meeting, but I'm told they continued their own internal investigation into those charges Thusday and Friday before they offered him that job Friday night. Portland knows that Chauncey Billups had been vetted by a number of other organizations prior to this process including the Clippers who hired him as an assistant coach last year and the Cleveland Cavaliers who previously offered Chauncey Billups an elevated position: President of Basketball Operations. They didn't rely on those probes, and I'm told in their conversations with Chauncey Billups he recounted his version of those events a number of times, including with Neil Olshey, the president of basketball operations and their owner Jody Allen, and those aligned with what their investigations had found. So they're continuing now to finish a contract, terms on a deal, and you can expect Chauncey Billups introduced as the Blazers new head coach, perhaps as soon as early next week."

Take this for what you will I guess.
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These days I've become cynical and skeptical of everything.

How legit is this ? Or is it simply Woj parroting Neil's damage control. I really want to believe them.
 
illmatic99 said:
These days I've become cynical and skeptical of everything.

How legit is this ? Or is it simply Woj parroting Neil's damage control. I really want to believe them.
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I don't think it really matters. If you think Chauncey did it, this won't convince you otherwise. If you think he's innocent or "don't know" this won't affect your opinion either. What it does tell me is that Olshey doesn't really care either way, he's hiring Billups.
 
illmatic99 said:
These days I've become cynical and skeptical of everything.

How legit is this ? Or is it simply Woj parroting Neil's damage control. I really want to believe them.
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Well I'm just wondering what exactly they can find out that isn't available. I'm sure they probably can't talk to her about it, but talking to Billups about what happened isn't exactly the best way to confirm it either. At the end of the day, if there was some kind of smoking gun that absolved him, I have to think he would have played that card to get out of trouble in the first place.
 
illmatic99 said:
These days I've become cynical and skeptical of everything.

How legit is this ? Or is it simply Woj parroting Neil's damage control. I really want to believe them.
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I mean, it's basic common sense to me.
 
B-Roy said:
I don't think it really matters. If you think Chauncey did it, this won't convince you otherwise. If you think he's innocent or "don't know" this won't affect your opinion either. What it does tell me is that Olshey doesn't really care either way, he's hiring Billups.
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Ya but if getting a job here means Billups' name gets drawn thru the mud, he might withdraw
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I see what you did there. You overreached. I did not comment or make anything with respect to Billups or an alleged rape allegation. I said everyone has baggage. In response to you saying Portland couldn’t find someone without baggage. Nice try, though, to twist what I said. Kudos. Par for your fucking golf course. You needn’t try so hard to make a point.

“It’s not Canzano’s fault that

A. Billups was involved in whatever
B. The Blazers hired him with others available with no baggage“
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Ya, I wasn’t trying to twist anything. Sorry you felt that way, and I will try harder to convey to type what I am thinking
 
illmatic99 said:
Ya but if getting a job here means Billups' name gets drawn thru the mud, he might withdraw
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Maybe, but I don't really see any outrage aside from:

1. Blazersedge and Reddit, which they are not going to care about
2. Twitter, which is just a cesspool altogether
3. Canzano, who would have found something to gripe about no matter who was hired

I don't particularly think the Blazers or Chauncey are concerned about those....
 
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