Chelsea Manning to be freed

[Chris Craig]

Obama has officially pardoned Chelsea Manning. Let's see if Assange keeps his word that he will allow himself to be extradited to the United States. Fat Chance

 

[BlazerWookee]

Unbelievable.

 

[blue32]

Complete political statement by Obama.

 

[Chris Craig]

If Assange does he will probably just get pardoned by Trump

 

[Nikolokolus]

Good.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Complete political statement by Obama.

How so? It was his Justice Department's over-aggressive stance on whistleblowers that put her there. I think he should pardon Snowden for what it's worth.

 

[Chris Craig]

How so? It was his Justice Department's over-aggressive stance on whistleblowers that put her there. I think he should pardon Snowden for what it's worth.

She commited espionage if not treason, she provided countless government documents to a foreign faction. She should not have been pardoned.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Hot take: If Chelsea wasn't a tranny, Obama wouldn't have commuted her sentence.

 

[Chris Craig]

Hot take: If Chelsea wasn't a tranny, Obama wouldn't have commuted her sentence.

Wow

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Wow

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_take

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This is Obama's Marc Rich.

 

[Chris Craig]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_take

That was just a bold statement that's all.

 

[blue32]

How so? It was his Justice Department's over-aggressive stance on whistleblowers that put her there. I think he should pardon Snowden for what it's worth.

If the person wasn't a transgender this wouldn't have happened. It's politically motivated. And before you blast me for this, plenty of people on the news are saying the same thing right now.

But for what it's worth I DO agree with you about it being over-aggressive for sentencing. Whistleblowers should not be charged at all.

 

[Denny Crane]

Way to go Obama.

I like it.

What took you so long?

 

[blue32]

Hot take: If Chelsea wasn't a tranny, Obama wouldn't have commuted her sentence.

Exactly.

 

[Chris Craig]

This is Obama's Marc Rich.

But, it doesn't really help Obama to do this...it didn't help Bill to pardon Marc...im just trying to figure out why he is going to take Assanges word...dangerous ground

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Exactly.

He didn't do it for the greater good or because he thought she deserved to get off. He did it to piss off conservatives. Basically freed someone who committed espionage out of spite.

 

[blue32]

He didn't do it for the greater good or because he thought she deserved to get off. He did it to piss off conservatives.

I agree. I will echo your statement.
Obama has done nothing for the greater good or because he thought a single person deserved anything. His actions are all politically motivated to further his parties agenda, or strike back against the people he dislikes, E.g. Republicans/Conservatives.

However, my personal opinion, I think Whistlerblowers shouldn't have been charged in the first place. I like to keep Government and its agencies accountable. So Snowden, Manning, Assange I appreciate.

 

[Chris Craig]

He didn't do it for the greater good or because he thought she deserved to get off. He did it to piss off conservatives. Basically freed someone who committed espionage out of spite.

Damn

 

[Chris Craig]

He didn't do it for the greater good or because he thought she deserved to get off. He did it to piss off conservatives. Basically freed someone who committed espionage out of spite.

But, so far conservatives on here are happy?

 

[Denny Crane]

But, it doesn't really help Obama to do this...it didn't help Bill to pardon Marc...im just trying to figure out why he is going to take Assanges word...dangerous ground

Maybe it has nothing to do with Assange.

If Assange does come here and testify, the losers aren't going to be happy.

 

[Denny Crane]

But, so far conservatives on here are happy?

Politicians of both parties seem to think she's a traitor.

Democrats were happy that bad things that happened in Iraq during W's terms were made public (so was I).

They've changed their tune about WikiLeaks, eh?

 

[Chris Craig]

Maybe it has nothing to do with Assange.

If Assange does come here and testify, the losers aren't going to be happy.

Im trying to make sense of this. Forgive I'm knee deep in bourbon at the moment. So, it should be ok for people to release government documents to foreign groups? It should be ok to commit espionage?

 

[Chris Craig]

Politicians of both parties seem to think she's a traitor.

Democrats were happy that bad things that happened in Iraq during W's terms were made public (so was I).

They've changed their tune about WikiLeaks, eh?

Fair enough. They have been rather embarrassed by Wikileaks, but this is a dangerous move. Seems like an decision that wasn't made with logic, but rather out of anger.

 

[Denny Crane]

Im trying to make sense of this. Forgive I'm knee deep in bourbon at the moment. So, it should be ok for people to release government documents to foreign groups? It should be ok to commit espionage?

It's better to have an honest and open government. What the leaks show is that's not what we have.

Manning is either a patriot or a traitor, depending on her motive. Whistleblower? Patriot. To overthrow the US? Traitor.

I see nothing to indicate the motive was treason.

 

[Chris Craig]

It's better to have an honest and open government. What the leaks show is that's not what we have.

Manning is either a patriot or a traitor, depending on her motive. Whistleblower? Patriot. To overthrow the US? Traitor.

I see nothing to indicate the motive was treason.

Ok I see your position. Regardless of her motive though she still commited espionage. Even if her intentions were good. If I fired a gun and my motive was to shoot a bottle off a wall, yet the bullet that left my gun hit and killed someone, I still commited murder, even if it wasn't my motive or intention to do so.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I don't trust the government.

 

[blue32]

Nothing Obama likes more than a good commutation and a drone strike... haha

 

[Jade Falcon]

I don't trust the government.

I don't trust the government either. But I also acknowledge, with all of its faults, that it also has good reason to keep some secrets. I don't want our country's intel and secrets falling into the hands of Russia or China. I'm quite certain that some secrets regarding our country's interests do keep our country stable and functioning; despite the fact that the interests themselves may be dirty, or may have been acquired by dirty means.

That's part of the package that comes with government. That's part of being a country. There's no getting away from that; every government and every society since the dawn of time has had dirty laundry that was best kept secret for the good of the country.

There's simply no getting around that.

It's a very fine line between being a whistle blower, and being a traitor. I haven't followed these issues close enough to give my informed opinion about what I think Manning is, so I'll reserve my judgement on that.

But...to me, this is yet one more middle finger to America from Hussein. If Manning wasn't a tranny, he wouldn't have done this. This was a purely political move to appease Liberals and SJWs.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

But, so far conservatives on here are happy?

Are you saying people who are conservatives can't be happy with something the other team did?

If my wife brought home a hot girl to teach me a lesson about cheating I'd still be ecstatic.