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The problem is I am not sure this front office / owner have a plan cause IF Billups wants to win he is sounding like Dame and we all know how that turned out. I am convinced that Jody and/or Vulcan just want to tread water and JUST make a profit and then sell in 3 to 5 years.
 
THE HCP said:
Chauncey going to the lakers this summer and winning 50 games will show that wins are based on talent NOT Xs and Os most of the time. #FireStotts #AnybodyIsBetter
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If Chauncey goes I think it'll be to become the Pistons next GM
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
The problem is I am not sure this front office / owner have a plan cause IF Billups wants to win he is sounding like Dame and we all know how that turned out. I am convinced that Jody and/or Vulcan just want to tread water and JUST make a profit and then sell in 3 to 5 years.
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That sounds like a plan that many posters in this forum are asking for as well. Get rid of the vets with the high salaries. Jody can't win either way. They either have no plan or they are just in it for a profit.

Personally, I think the Vulcan conspiracy theories are a bit ridiculous but to each their own. If they were that cheap then why did they allow Joe to trade for Ayton, extend Grant, and match Thybulle? They could have easily saved 50 million last year gone with the rebuild excuse and not paid any of them. (other than still paying Nurk)
 
Pinwheel1 said:
That sounds like a plan that many posters in this forum are asking for as well. Get rid of the vets with the high salaries. Jody can't win either way. They either have no plan or they are just in it for a profit.

Personally, I think the Vulcan conspiracy theories are a bit ridiculous but to each their own. If they were that cheap then why did they allow Joe to trade for Ayton, extend Grant, and match Thybulle? They could have easily saved 50 million last year gone with the rebuild excuse and not paid any of them. (other than still paying Nurk)
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I think it's more likely that Joe wants to tank for one more year for a shot at Flagg.
 
If Flagg is the plan then Cronin is a bigger tool then I even thought he was --- hey guys let's lose for 3 seasons and hope we can land one of the big prospects Wemby ( nope ) , best player this year ( maybe ) or Flagg.

If this really is his plan then send this damn tool some scratch it's tickets and hope his luck is good cause IF that is the plan then he does not have a plan cause LUCK is not a plan it's the last option when you have none. If he is hoping for luck then his ass needs to be fired ASAP - period but again just conjecture at this point.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
If Flagg is the plan then Cronin is a bigger tool then I even thought he was --- hey guys let's lose for 3 seasons and hope we can land one of the big prospects Wemby ( nope ) , best player this year ( maybe ) or Flagg.

If this really is his plan then send this damn tool some scratch it's tickets and hope his luck is good cause IF that is the plan then he does not have a plan cause LUCK is not a plan it's the last option when you have none. If he is hoping for luck then his ass needs to be fired ASAP - period but again just conjecture at this point.
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I honestly don't think Joe is a total moron and I could see him trying to use the undervaluation of this draft to his advantage, picking up a few high picks in the first round to balance a true youth rebuild. I could also see him straddling the fence again since it made no sense this year, so why not do that dumb shit again.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
If Flagg is the plan then Cronin is a bigger tool then I even thought he was --- hey guys let's lose for 3 seasons and hope we can land one of the big prospects Wemby ( nope ) , best player this year ( maybe ) or Flagg.

If this really is his plan then send this damn tool some scratch it's tickets and hope his luck is good cause IF that is the plan then he does not have a plan cause LUCK is not a plan it's the last option when you have none. If he is hoping for luck then his ass needs to be fired ASAP - period but again just conjecture at this point.
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I think Minnesota and OKC's success shows what small markets need to do. Acquire assets. Lose. Get lottery talent to win. It can be done. If we got Flagg that would be a huge success.
 
THE HCP said:
Chauncey going to the lakers this summer and winning 50 games will show that wins are based on talent NOT Xs and Os most of the time. #FireStotts #AnybodyIsBetter
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Lakers have a few more picks now unlocked so they could trade for great third player.

That with Chauncey I could see having real chance at a title. They certainly wouldn't be favorites but they'd be in the mix. We've had a lot of surprising teams in the finals the last decade - Mil, PHX, Den, Tor, etc.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
If Flagg is the plan then Cronin is a bigger tool then I even thought he was --- hey guys let's lose for 3 seasons and hope we can land one of the big prospects Wemby ( nope ) , best player this year ( maybe ) or Flagg.

If this really is his plan then send this damn tool some scratch it's tickets and hope his luck is good cause IF that is the plan then he does not have a plan cause LUCK is not a plan it's the last option when you have none. If he is hoping for luck then his ass needs to be fired ASAP - period but again just conjecture at this point.
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Tanking and getting high draft picks is our best option. It really is the best option for any non-free agent destination team. You don't have to enjoy it, but it remains the best path forward.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
If Flagg is the plan then Cronin is a bigger tool then I even thought he was --- hey guys let's lose for 3 seasons and hope we can land one of the big prospects Wemby ( nope ) , best player this year ( maybe ) or Flagg.

If this really is his plan then send this damn tool some scratch it's tickets and hope his luck is good cause IF that is the plan then he does not have a plan cause LUCK is not a plan it's the last option when you have none. If he is hoping for luck then his ass needs to be fired ASAP - period but again just conjecture at this point.
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I agree that tanking for several years is not ideal and takes a lot of luck to make it work. Especially since Portland is not a FA destination that can help shorten the rebuild process. I also agree that banking on winning the lottery in the year that actually has a difference maker requires too much luck to rely on.

But at the same time, I also acknowledge that those who think it is our best solution to becoming a contender..... are not entirely wrong. So my question to you is what plan would you take at this point?

My thought is if we can get two more young pieces this summer then we keep Grant and try to win. One of those young pieces has to be Sarr since he plays a different position. Then with GS's pick you take a risk with a young SF who although is probably not ready to contribute next year...still has a ton of potential.

Could Cody Williams fall that far? Could we trade up to get him? Will Salaun still be there? Or maybe Holland? If we could get Sarr and a SF then maybe we do try to win while they develop. I am not one who thinks you have to remove your Vets for your young players to develop.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
That sounds like a plan that many posters in this forum are asking for as well. Get rid of the vets with the high salaries. Jody can't win either way. They either have no plan or they are just in it for a profit.

Personally, I think the Vulcan conspiracy theories are a bit ridiculous but to each their own. If they were that cheap then why did they allow Joe to trade for Ayton, extend Grant, and match Thybulle? They could have easily saved 50 million last year gone with the rebuild excuse and not paid any of them. (other than still paying Nurk)
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It's kind of amazing the Blazers spend more money, to where they are currently 10+ million in the tax, and have a 21 win last in the west team.

As you say they give out huge contracts. Then they do trades taking back less talent to save dollars.

The team might actually be better off if they had a more frugal owner paying closer to the salary floor.

Both these directions are incredibly frustrating as a fan.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
I think Minnesota and OKC's success shows what small markets need to do. Acquire assets. Lose. Get lottery talent to win. It can be done. If we got Flagg that would be a huge success.
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We just gonna ignore the Wolves trading their entire future for Gobert now?

Or how about trading away their draft picks and prospects for an aging Mike Conley?

Minny is a terrible example for the point you're trying to make.
 
illmatic99 said:
We just gonna ignore the Wolves trading their entire future for Gobert now?

Or how about trading away their draft picks and prospects for an aging Mike Conley?

Minny is a terrible example for the point you're trying to make.
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Not really. They had to suck first to get their foundational pieces. They don't get KAT and Edwards without tanking. Those trades don't happen if they didn't dip into the lottery first. Cause and effect.
 
IF Tanking and hoping for LUCK is the plan then let Billups walk and find an up and comer coach and give them a nice contract and let the process play out. The plan Cronin is on reminds me a quote from the original Karate Kid movie from Miyagi to Daniel

“Walk on road. Walk right side, safe .Walk left side, safe .Walk middle, sooner or later, get squish, just like grape. "

The Blazers right now are walking in the middle of youth and handing out contracts to vets that do not support the growth of the younger players. Also not to mention a coach who has done little to nothing to help in that growth and granted injuries have hampered it some but still this season was a disaster on ALL fronts for the most part. I have said it before but as much of a fan as I am this team is in the worst place it's been in 20 years and I am counting the "Jail Blazer" era cause even as bad as that was I had faith PA and co would get out of it. I have little to no faith in this front office and ownership players and for the first time I can remember I am scared for the future of the Blazers.
 
Cugel said:
So it would seem another year of tanking, at least, could be likely? Fuck me.
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At this point that's the only logical course of action. At least one more year, and that's if we get lucky and draft a great player.
 
So maybe that's where difference of opinion is. Chauncey don't wanna tank no more and Joe does? Just a guess.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I agree that tanking for several years is not ideal and takes a lot of luck to make it work. Especially since Portland is not a FA destination that can help shorten the rebuild process. I also agree that banking on winning the lottery in the year that actually has a difference maker requires too much luck to rely on.

But at the same time, I also acknowledge that those who think it is our best solution to becoming a contender..... are not entirely wrong. So my question to you is what plan would you take at this point?

My thought is if we can get two more young pieces this summer then we keep Grant and try to win. One of those young pieces has to be Sarr since he plays a different position. Then with GS's pick you take a risk with a young SF who although is probably not ready to contribute next year...still has a ton of potential.

Could Cody Williams fall that far? Could we trade up to get him? Will Salaun still be there? Or maybe Holland? If we could get Sarr and a SF then maybe we do try to win while they develop. I am not one who thinks you have to remove your Vets for your young players to develop.
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Try to trade Grant/Brogdon for FRP(s)

I'd listen to offers for Ayton/Ant as well but since their younger its not as critical - should have similar value next year to the Blazers or going out in a trade.

Just keep trying to add talent until we have multiple above average starters. Currently we have none, at best ONE if you consider Ayton at that level. Once we get a few of those THEN consider adding a veteran or trading youth/picks for a veteran and making a playoff push. The length of rebuilding/tanking doesn't depend on how long the Blazers have been doing it - it depends on how much talent the team has to make the next step of competing in the playoffs. Ideally its only another few years. If it takes longer yeah that sucks but it is what it is.
 
This whole thing just looks bad for the Blazers. I sincerely hope Cronin isn't doing this... I understand it if it's coming from Vulcan. It's how they got rid of Olshey...

This team can't be sold to Phil Knight (or equivalent) soon enough.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
This whole thing just looks bad for the Blazers. I sincerely hope Cronin isn't doing this... I understand it if it's coming from Vulcan. It's how they got rid of Olshey...

This team can't be sold to Phil Knight (or equivalent) soon enough.
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So many teams have been wholesale tanking lately. Why would it matter if the Blazers are doing it?

San Antonio blatantly tanked to get Wemby.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This whole thing just looks bad for the Blazers. I sincerely hope Cronin isn't doing this... I understand it if it's coming from Vulcan. It's how they got rid of Olshey...

This team can't be sold to Phil Knight (or equivalent) soon enough.
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Used to count on one hand the owners that might be better than Paul Allen.

Now we probably can count on one hand the worse ones?

Not even sure who that'd be. Maybe Wiz/Charlotte owners. Suns owner looks foolish, but they're still a playoff team and fringe contender.
 
Natebishop3 said:
So many teams have been wholesale tanking lately. Why would it matter if the Blazers are doing it?

San Antonio blatantly tanked to get Wemby.
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I don't think tanking is a problem at all. At this point, it's our only logical direction.

But firing Billups assistants out from under him to convince him to quit (giving up all or part of his contract) is what looks bad. This just wreaks of Jody/Bert to me. Even if Billups doesn't end up quitting... they completely disrespected him.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think tanking is a problem at all. At this point, it's our only logical direction.

But firing Billups assistants out from under him to convince him to quit (giving up all or part of his contract) is what looks bad. This just wreaks of Jody/Bert to me. Even if Billups doesn't end up quitting... they completely disrespected him.
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Oh yeah.... that's shady for sure.
 
I think if coach Roy had been fired (or whatever his name is) it'd be a bigger sign.

With these guys getting let go, not sh sure it's a sign of anything
 
julius said:
I think if coach Roy had been fired (or whatever his name is) it'd be a bigger sign.

With these guys getting let go, not sh sure it's a sign of anything
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I mean, it's his brother. You don't do that right now unless you're being shady, IMO. It seems pretty clear.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I mean, it's his brother. You don't do that right now unless you're being shady, IMO. It seems pretty clear.
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Not if his brother sucked as a coach, or had a coaching gig in college lined up.

Rodney had zero NBA coaching experience prior to Portland, right?

Maybe he's getting calls that would pay him more, and his brother is doing him a solid.
 
julius said:
Not if his brother sucked as a coach, or had a coaching gig in college lined up.

Rodney had zero NBA coaching experience prior to Portland, right?

Maybe he's getting calls that would pay him more, and his brother is doing him a solid.
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If he's leaving to take another job you let him do it without letting the rest of the staff go, in a way that doesn't look bad for Billups.

Even if he sucks, move him to a different position with the team or something.

You do that if you respect your head Coach and care about being able to hire a good coach in the future.

Just firing most of Billups staff out from under him is a bad, bad look, IMO.
 
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