Bogus! Chris Mannix: Chauncey gone

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Whyachi said:
the Blazers "let go" of the head coach that helped the OG Thunder rebuild.

losing stinks, i think Portland is going to be better next season. The media keep using "expect the worst", but Billups thinks this team can compete. Joe originally said "improve like Rockets" at the trade deadline.

I don't see where the 'press conference signals got crossed'. The GM explained how much injuries de-railed the roster.

What's wrong with a bunch of cool wins? It might show this team is onto something, and no longer need to tank.

OKC did not bench starters last year, and now they look terrific.
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OKC has about twice as much talent as we do...
 
THE HCP said:
But I thought he was a bad coach?
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Maybe you know because you see more than most of us but I don't know how anyone can judge what kind of in game coach Chauncey would be with a roster constructed for winning. Joe has said at every turn (each trade deadline and offseason going into the regular season) that the roster was incomplete and not ready to compete... he also said he would push his chips in a bunch of times but didn't.

Basically Chauncey has never had a winning roster, he hasn't been asked to win, so I don't know what it would look like if he were asked to win with a roster like they have now or will have next season in Phoenix. Do you have any insights?
 
blazerkor said:
Maybe you know because you see more than most of us but I don't know how anyone can judge what kind of in game coach Chauncey would be with a roster constructed for winning. Joe has said at every turn (each trade deadline and offseason going into the regular season) that the roster was incomplete and not ready to compete... he also said he would push his chips in a bunch of times but didn't.

Basically Chauncey has never had a winning roster, he hasn't been asked to win, so I don't know what it would look like if he were asked to win with a roster like they have now or will have next season in Phoenix. Do you have any insights?
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What do the Blazers do? What is their identity?
 
THE HCP said:
But I thought he was a bad coach?
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Popular with some players does not mean he's a good coach.

And the Suns just hired a dude and fired him after a year, which is partly due to those same players not being very good, so... I'm not sure a vote of confidence from that roster is an indicator of anything.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't think tanking is a problem at all. At this point, it's our only logical direction.

But firing Billups assistants out from under him to convince him to quit (giving up all or part of his contract) is what looks bad. This just wreaks of Jody/Bert to me. Even if Billups doesn't end up quitting... they completely disrespected him.
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that's the Vulcan way. I still remember when they wanted to fire Olshey...they had excellent cause for the firing because he was an imbecile GM. But they had to concoct some story about him being an abusive boss, apparently in an effort to dodge paying the balance of his contract, or at least bring him to the negotiating table to get him in a buy-out mood

this current situation looks like the Vulcans trying to coerce Billups into quitting and leaving next year's salary on the table. It's just a shitty cheap-ass management style, but that's Jody & the Vulcans in a nutshell. I don't think we should assume that Cronin is blameless in this either
 
wizenheimer said:
that's the Vulcan way. I still remember when they wanted to fire Olshey...they had excellent cause for the firing because he was an imbecile GM. But they had to concoct some story about him being an abusive boss, apparently in an effort to dodge paying the balance of his contract, or at least bring him to the negotiating table to get him in a buy-out mood

this current situation looks like the Vulcans trying to coerce Billups into quitting and leaving next year's salary on the table. It's just a shitty cheap-ass management style, but that's Jody & the Vulcans in a nutshell. I don't think we should assume that Cronin is blameless in this either
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Agree 100%. I want Phil Knight to buy the team so bad I can taste it.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's the Vulcan way. I still remember when they wanted to fire Olshey...they had excellent cause for the firing because he was an imbecile GM. But they had to concoct some story about him being an abusive boss, apparently in an effort to dodge paying the balance of his contract, or at least bring him to the negotiating table to get him in a buy-out mood

this current situation looks like the Vulcans trying to coerce Billups into quitting and leaving next year's salary on the table. It's just a shitty cheap-ass management style, but that's Jody & the Vulcans in a nutshell. I don't think we should assume that Cronin is blameless in this either
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Yeah I was a little uneasy with the Olshey firing - especially since its all going to be confidential agreements made for whatever settlement they ultimately did.

Any of these situations on their own you could suspect it was entirely the employees fault. But now when we've seen multiple instances of this, McGowen leaving, Dame messy exit, Olshey, Billups, along with the blatant saving of cash over adding talent in trades.... yeah pretty hard not to suspect the Blazers have a lot of blame.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
The sooner the Blazers commit to one direction the better. This lack of consistency of one comprehensive plan ultimately makes the rebuild take longer and cause more losses.

Pick a lane Joe!
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that's the dead horse I've been beating...Blazer addiction to straddling fences

Sharpe-Scoot-Walker-Camara-extra picks....that's the rebuild side of the fence and Portland is just getting started. Grant-Brogdon-Timelord are on the other side of the fence. Ant-Ayton are completely tangled up with the fence and dragging them to the rebuilding field will leave all kinds of barbed wire to trip over
 
wizenheimer said:
that's the dead horse I've been beating...Blazer addiction to straddling fences

Sharpe-Scoot-Walker-Camara-extra picks....that's the rebuild side of the fence and Portland is just getting started. Grant-Brogdon-Timelord are on the other side of the fence. Ant-Ayton are completely tangled up with the fence and dragging them to the rebuilding field will leave all kinds of barbed wire to trip over
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Yes they should all fit nicely into the same window

Conley 16th season

Rudy Gobert 10th season
Towns 9th season

Edwards 4th season
McDaniels 4th season
 
Everything Beagle said:
Phil Knight will die soon. Why do you think the team will be better off after he dies than now?
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Because I have far more faith in Phil Knight than Jody, Bert, or Vulcan, and Phil Knight knows he doesn't have much longer to live and will be buying the team with a succession plan in mind to keep the team local and healthy long term.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yes they should all fit nicely into the same window

Conley 16th season

Rudy Gobert 10th season
Towns 9th season

Edwards 4th season
McDaniels 4th season
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LOL...yeah right. You do know I wasn't just talking age, right?

those Minny players you mentioned have combinded for 10 all-star games, 6 all-NBA selections, and 4 DPOY selections. And Anthony Edwards is ascending to a top-10 level. Minny is squeezing a hell of a lot more talent thru the window than Portland would be so any comparisons trying to justify Portland standing pat are loopy. Minny is a contender for the NBA finals now. The Blazers probably won't even contend for HCA in the play-in for years. There's justification for Conley and Gobert on a contender. There's no justification for Grant and Brogdon on a bottom 5-7 team
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL...yeah right. You do know I wasn't just talking age, right?

those Minny players you mentioned have combinded for 10 all-star games, 6 all-NBA selections, and 4 DPOY selections. And Anthony Edwards is ascending to a top-10 level. Minny is squeezing a hell of a lot more talent thru the window than Portland would be so any comparisons trying to justify Portland standing pat are loopy. Minny is a contender for the NBA finals now. The Blazers probably won't even contend for HCA in the play-in for years. There's justification for Conley and Gobert on a contender. There's no justification for Grant and Brogdon on a bottom 5-7 team
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The only player on this roster that is still questionable is Brogdon, since he plays the same position as Scoot/Sharpe. They tried trading him at the deadline and couldn't find a deal they liked, but then sat him for the second half anyways so Scoot could play 35MPG. Grant isn't blocking the development of any prospects. How good did Kris Murray look starting the second half of the season? Would it have been more helpful for him to play 30+ mpg the whole season? I don't know, but probably not marginally better. I don't really see a problem with either right now.

Truthfully, until Portland has a player that shows all-star or all-nba potential, there is no comparison to any other team that makes sense. Scoot and Sharpe have the best shot, although I wouldn't bet on either. The team tried to put them in position this season. Sharpe was playing 40MPG for a stretch and the second half of the season was almost all Scoot development. It's unfortunate both were injured for much of the season.
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL...yeah right. You do know I wasn't just talking age, right?

those Minny players you mentioned have combined for 10 all-star games, 6 all-NBA selections, and 4 DPOY selections. And Anthony Edwards is ascending to a top-10 level. Minny is squeezing a hell of a lot more talent thru the window than Portland would be so any comparisons trying to justify Portland standing pat are loopy. Minny is a contender for the NBA finals now. The Blazers probably won't even contend for HCA in the play-in for years. There's justification for Conley and Gobert on a contender. There's no justification for Grant and Brogdon on a bottom 5-7 team
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No, I did not know that. So when you beat the dead horse about the "Blazers having an addiction to straddling fences....age has nothing to do with it?
My bad, I got you confused with the other dead horse beaters that do have a problem with it.
 
B-Roy said:
The only player on this roster that is still questionable is Brogdon, since he plays the same position as Scoot/Sharpe. They tried trading him at the deadline and couldn't find a deal they liked, but then sat him for the second half anyways so Scoot could play 35MPG. Grant isn't blocking the development of any prospects. How good did Kris Murray look starting the second half of the season? Would it have been more helpful for him to play 30+ mpg the whole season? I don't know, but probably not marginally better. I don't really see a problem with either right now.

Truthfully, until Portland has a player that shows all-star or all-nba potential, there is no comparison to any other team that makes sense. Scoot and Sharpe have the best shot, although I wouldn't bet on either. The team tried to put them in position this season. Sharpe was playing 40MPG for a stretch and the second half of the season was almost all Scoot development. It's unfortunate both were injured for much of the season.
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I actually think he is. But the coach could remedy it without Cronin having to trade him, though I feel his contract is ridiculous on a rebuilding team. Grant is hoisting 20+ shots per game, or around that. Those are shots the young players need. Especially at the end of games. At the end of games I would much rather have the ball in the hands of Scoot or Sharpe trying to win the game. And hopefully Portland drafts another one or two players soon to add to the list. But their was talk that Sharpe would not take over at the end of games like CB wanted him to. Maybe if Grant wasn't in the game demanding the ball Sharpe would feel more at ease to call his own number. These young guys are taught to defer to the vets from the moment they are drafted. Of course Sharpe and Scoot are going to defer when Grant, Ant and Brogdon are in the game.
 
BIG Q said:
I actually think he is. But the coach could remedy it without Cronin having to trade him, though I feel his contract is ridiculous on a rebuilding team. Grant is hoisting 20+ shots per game, or around that. Those are shots the young players need. Especially at the end of games. At the end of games I would much rather have the ball in the hands of Scoot or Sharpe trying to win the game. And hopefully Portland drafts another one or two players soon to add to the list. But their was talk that Sharpe would not take over at the end of games like CB wanted him to. Maybe if Grant wasn't in the game demanding the ball Sharpe would feel more at ease to call his own number. These young guys are taught to defer to the vets from the moment they are drafted. Of course Sharpe and Scoot are going to defer when Grant, Ant and Brogdon are in the game.
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Scoot hoisted plenty of shots, and missed plenty. Shaedon was given the opportunity to be ball dominant. He chose not to be.

Truthfully, we're splitting hairs with the interpretation. I don't think any of our player's development was hindered by the roster this season. If anything it was just injuries.
 
B-Roy said:
The only player on this roster that is still questionable is Brogdon, since he plays the same position as Scoot/Sharpe. They tried trading him at the deadline and couldn't find a deal they liked, but then sat him for the second half anyways so Scoot could play 35MPG. Grant isn't blocking the development of any prospects. How good did Kris Murray look starting the second half of the season? Would it have been more helpful for him to play 30+ mpg the whole season? I don't know, but probably not marginally better. I don't really see a problem with either right now.

Truthfully, until Portland has a player that shows all-star or all-nba potential, there is no comparison to any other team that makes sense. Scoot and Sharpe have the best shot, although I wouldn't bet on either. The team tried to put them in position this season. Sharpe was playing 40MPG for a stretch and the second half of the season was almost all Scoot development. It's unfortunate both were injured for much of the season.
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Grant isn't going to be a part of any playoff team in Portland. Better to deal him for a pick.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
No, I did not know that. So when you beat the dead horse about the "Blazers having an addiction to straddling fences....age has nothing to do with it?
My bad, I got you confused with the other dead horse beaters that do have a problem with it.
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where was it I said "age had nothing to do with it"?

you just quoted me as saying "You do know I wasn't just talking age, right?"

age is a factor; fit is a factor; mostly, talent is a factor. They all matter. Minny's roster makes a lot of sense because of their level of talent and where their trajectory is. Portland's roster is a low-talent mess and a big reason is because they can't chose a way forward and are investing significant cap & usage in 3rd-option-non-all-star talent
 
THE HCP said:
Where have the Jazz/Wolves trade haters gone? They were so clearly sure that the Jazz won that thing….and told us daily.
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you don't understand. Blazer fans must bash on other teams, to deflect criticism about their own squad.

Dumbest trade in history. 6 first round picks for a Center that can't shoot? Edwards is a stat padder. Towns has the worse contract in NBA. Naz Reid is overrated. NAW got the pink slip in Portland, what a bust. Minnesota squandered their entire future just to become First Round fodder.

....fast forward to this season
>> Minnesota is fantastic! The Blazers should rebuild like the T-wolves!!
 
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