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How do you feel about getting Clingan

  • Great pick!

    Votes: 62 56.9%

  • Meh

    Votes: 34 31.2%

  • NOOOOOO!!!!

    Votes: 13 11.9%
  • Total voters
    109
MickZagger said:
I strongly agree.

Didn’t matter who we picked. The masses on here would claim he’s the next best thing.
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He was definitely the guy that our front office and coach wanted and they're the ones who worked him out and interviewed him. They're the ones who have see what he could do. Going into the draft we were rumored to be willing to trade up to pick 3 or even 2 to get the guy that we got at 7. So I think our team got the guy that they see as the next best thing.

Now, do I have a problem with his foot speed? Yeah I do. Do I think teams will be able to play him off the court his entire career? Again yeah. At the same time if this roster is constructed the right way (and I'm not sure I trust Joe to do that) Clingan can be a guy that we get to dictate as a mismatch for opponents. Clingan was either the best shot blocker or second best to Sarr (time will tell) in this draft and rim protection has been the thing we've been worst at statistically. Just imagine what that means, a team as bad as we've been is statistically shit in many categories and rim protection was our worst.

If we make the right moves this was a brilliant pick. It definitely had high value at 7. I don't know how we kept Clingan from being taken at 6 but that was something I've never seen.

I think the ideal situation is that we see Clingan get major minutes behind Deandre and some with him until the deadline and when it is obvious that they can't be effective together that we trade Deandre at the deadline. Hopefully we'll have added some other pieces via trades of Jerami and Ant that go down before training camp. The thing I hope for the most is that when the dust settles and we're watching this team post all star break is that we have a roster that makes sense with a ton of variety/versatility and very little redundancy. A group of players that complement each other and all have a lot of room for growth. I think Clingan could be a part of that group and even a crucial part.
 
blazerkor said:
He was definitely the guy that our front office and coach wanted and they're the ones who worked him out and interviewed him. They're the ones who have see what he could do. Going into the draft we were rumored to be willing to trade up to pick 3 or even 2 to get the guy that we got at 7. So I think our team got the guy that they see as the next best thing.

Now, do I have a problem with his foot speed? Yeah I do. Do I think teams will be able to play him off the court his entire career? Again yeah. At the same time if this roster is constructed the right way (and I'm not sure I trust Joe to do that) Clingan can be a guy that we get to dictate as a mismatch for opponents. Clingan was either the best shot blocker or second best to Sarr (time will tell) in this draft and rim protection has been the thing we've been worst at statistically. Just imagine what that means, a team as bad as we've been is statistically shit in many categories and rim protection was our worst.

If we make the right moves this was a brilliant pick. It definitely had high value at 7. I don't know how we kept Clingan from being taken at 6 but that was something I've never seen.

I think the ideal situation is that we see Clingan get major minutes behind Deandre and some with him until the deadline and when it is obvious that they can't be effective together that we trade Deandre at the deadline. Hopefully we'll have added some other pieces via trades of Jerami and Ant that go down before training camp. The thing I hope for the most is that when the dust settles and we're watching this team post all star break is that we have a roster that makes sense with a ton of variety/versatility and very little redundancy. A group of players that complement each other and all have a lot of room for growth. I think Clingan could be a part of that group and even a crucial part.
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"I don't know how we kept Clingan from being taken at 6 "

I'm assuming Charlotte valued Tidjuan Salaun and cared about drafting him, over Cody Williams, who was the next forward drafted.
 
blazerfan11 said:
"I don't know how we kept Clingan from being taken at 6 "

I'm assuming Charlotte valued Tidjuan Salaun and cared about drafting him, over Cody Williams, who was the next forward drafted.
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Yeah it was just really funny to see Shams report the trade and then moments later it wasn't a thing anymore. You're probably right that Joe probably called Charlotte and said that he'd take Salaun if Clingan wasn't there at 7. It's just not something that I've seen happen that when a team was on the clock a trade got reported by Shams or Woj that was then reneged on.
 
Mr. Robot said:
we dont need clingan to become an all-star (we expect & need that from scoot & sharpe), if he becomes the role player that protects the rim, grabs the rebounds & scores efficiently on offense, the pick will be worthy
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Agreed 100%. We don’t even need him to ever become Rudy Gobert. We just need someone who who can average 10+rpg and protect the rim for the next 6-8 years. I’d be perfectly happy if he eventually became Steven Adams with his screen setting but much better defensively.

It’d be awesome if Clingan ever developed a shot. But Clingan’s ppg average will be a product of how good everyone around him is. Scoot and Shae, we hope will eventually draw a lot of attention from the defense. Avdija will start turning into someone who will, I really believe he is a better prospect than Markkanen ever was. This next draft is supposedly eight potential superstars deep, we will probably get a hand at one of those guys. These guys are going to be the reason he averages 8ppg, or 16ppg.
 
blazerkor said:
Clingan was either the best shot blocker or second best to Sarr (time will tell) in this draft and rim protection has been the thing we've been worst at statistically. Just imagine what that means, a team as bad as we've been is statistically shit in many categories and rim protection was our worst.
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this season. yeah, the Blazers sucked at opponent FG% at the rim. They were 28th

but, that's not the way it has been:

2023-24: 28th (bye bye Nurkic; hello Ayton)
2022-23: 7th (Nurkic + Eubanks)
2021-22: 16th (Nurkic 56 games; Cronin dismantles)
2020-21: 20th (Nurkic only 37 games; Kanter 72)
2019-20: 2nd (Whiteside)
2018-19: 3rd (Nurkic + Zach)
 
wizenheimer said:
this season. yeah, the Blazers sucked at opponent FG% at the rim. They were 28th

but, that's not the way it has been:

2023-24: 28th (bye bye Nurkic; hello Ayton)
2022-23: 7th (Nurkic + Eubanks)
2021-22: 16th (Nurkic 56 games; Cronin dismantles)
2020-21: 20th (Nurkic only 37 games; Kanter 72)
2019-20: 2nd (Whiteside)
2018-19: 3rd (Nurkic + Zach)
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Oh yeah, I was just talking about this last season. It's not like how opponent three point percentage plagued us during certain stretches of the Dame era or anything. I was just saying with how shitty we were last season, we were likely the most shitty at protecting the rim.
 
blazerkor said:
I think the ideal situation is that we see Clingan get major minutes behind Deandre and some with him until the deadline and when it is obvious that they can't be effective together that we trade Deandre at the deadline.
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Are you Klinker's agent? You've posted in other threads, too, to get rid of Ayton.

Klinkyfeet won't take Ayton's job till Ayton looks like Abe Lincoln.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Clingan at best is a limited role player, and an archetype that doesn't have value in today's NBA. A useful role player does have a bit of value though, but it just feels pretty underwhelming to get that in the lottery as well as a result of all the losing last year. Its just such a crappy draft with no great alternative options that even though I would've made a different pick - I'm not too upset with it.
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Not a great take at all. He's going to be a walking double double and flirt with some triple doubles.
 
Pretty rare for a center to get up to NBA speed in their rookie season. The good thing is that Clingan was coached by probably the greatest coach in college hoops and he has the mind to absorb coaching. Impressive kid actually
 
I just hope we have the best bench mob in the league...depth is important and we have a lot of talented players coming off the pine
 
THE HCP said:
I'll make sure to send him an invite to join here. To actually read what people on here think about the game....HA! I've show players in the past posts about them on here....they just laugh!
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But they're crying inside
 
You can tell he has a great feel for the game, he just needs some time to adjust to the speed of the game and develop confidence. They should hire a legit big man coach to work with him on his offensive game.
 
I was a "Meh" guy, but I'm sold now. He will be a very good defensive presence. I think his shot will come around and at least be respectable too.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
We drafted a player, not an archetype. I guess we'll see, won't we? Alex Sarr is of the modern archetype, right?
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Nothing Clingan has shown so far on the floor in three SL games has deviated from what I thought he was after two years at UConn.

Certainly, the intangibles and will to win he brings are much more obvious watching him up close, but my reasons to not want to draft him were because of his slow feet and lack of any offensive skill beside passing.

I want to see him as the roll man with more spacing in the NBA to see if he has any viability there but our guards are incapable of running such actions in SL. Let's table this until a quarter of the way through our season. This can potentially be a reason foe me to change my opinion if he can be a creator off the short roll or has rhe finishing ability to be a threat on offense.
 
illmatic99 said:
Not at all.

I still think we drafted an archetype of player who is antiquated in the modern NBA.
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Yes, if you think there's only one center archetype (defenders who can hit threes like Wemby/Porzingas/Lopez).

But the Mavs made the Finals with rim finishers (which Clingan may become as his conditioning improves.)

Twolves made WCF with a traditional no offense interior defender. Which is his floor.

Embiid, Wemby, Giannis and Jokic have changed the archetype in sort of the same way Shaq did 25 years ago. Especially Jokic. You can't just go out there with versatile wings and expect to win.

You really have to have height and interior defense or these guys will kill you. It's much more important at this point than hitting threes at the center position. If you don't have one of these amazing bigs, you have to have an answer for them.

I think Clingan can be our answer. He's not a franchise center, but I think he has the upside to be a rung below that, and be someone who leads the way against other bigs.
 
Yeah, I was meh on the pick and while it's easy to get excited because he is going to be a presence both on the glass and at the rim, I still think most teams will be able to play him off the court. I thought there were guys available (Cody Williams and Buzelis specifically) that filled needs who won't be played off the court but this draft was a crap shoot and maybe the guys I think better suited our roster and today's game will be played out of the league long before Clingan.

Super high character guy but if you were paying attention you already knew that. We now know that his most developed skills as a shot blocker and rebounder translate from college to the SL level, that isn't all the way to the NBA level but I'm hopeful that those things will. He has to finish stronger around the rim but at the same time his SL teammates aren't looking to set anyone up besides themselves almost all of the time.

I think it was Dennis Scott that said while announcing one of our games that teams are focused on stopping Clingan right now in SL and that on an NBA roster he would get kind of lost and have a lot more basically cleanup scoring opportunities and I agree with that.

It will be nice to have shot blocking and I'm hoping that our team can scheme around Clingan's inability to cover the perimeter and then recover to protect the paint. I'll tell you one thing that I don't think will help Donovan out on the defensive end and that's playing extended minutes on the floor with Deandre.
 
mook said:
Yes, if you think there's only one center archetype (defenders who can hit threes like Wemby/Porzingas/Lopez).

But the Mavs made the Finals with rim finishers (which Clingan may become as his conditioning improves.)

Twolves made WCF with a traditional no offense interior defender. Which is his floor.

Embiid, Wemby, Giannis and Jokic have changed the archetype in sort of the same way Shaq did 25 years ago. Especially Jokic. You can't just go out there with versatile wings and expect to win.

You really have to have height and interior defense or these guys will kill you. It's much more important at this point than hitting threes at the center position. If you don't have one of these amazing bigs, you have to have an answer for them.

I think Clingan can be our answer. He's not a franchise center, but I think he has the upside to be a rung below that, and be someone who leads the way against other bigs.
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His finishing around the rim leaves a lot to be desired. The lift to dunk the ball in traffic as a lob threat just wasn't in his aresenal. He is much more ground bound compared to someone like Lively. And in that case, his touch has to be a lot better; and so far, he is much closer to Nurk than he is BroLo.

Think it has to do with his heavy feet, but this is a key differentiator in my mind if he can improve it.
 
Clingan isn’t a finished product, just like Bub Carrington and Reed Sheppard aren’t finished products. The things people seemed to be terrified about in this thread (inability to finish, inability to get the ball on offense, difficulty in some defensive switching scenarios when challenging the guy attacking ATR) seem like fixable things—or things that will change outside of summer league which is—let’s be frank, sloppy basketball. I have my reservations about Scoot but the psych profile on both he and Clingan seem like they’re guys that like to be coached and are willing to do the work to get better. Even Clingan’s postgame responses seem like a guy who isn’t satisfied and wants to win/kill the other team.

does that mean Clingan will be a star? Eh, no. But it seems pretty clear Portland got good value in a shit draft, and I suspect the future version of Clingan will feature a cleaned up, more polished game. Will he ever have the fastest feet? Will he become a switchy, floor spacing big? No. But that doesn’t mean he can’t have a huge impact on the team. I’d settle for a perpetual all-defense type guy, sure!

just don’t miss on your draft picks. outside of a freak injury it seems like Portland got a decent player. next year is the year where you get your star.
 
Samuel said:
Clingan isn’t a finished product, just like Bub Carrington and Reed Sheppard aren’t finished products. The things people seemed to be terrified about in this thread (inability to finish, inability to get the ball on offense, difficulty in some defensive switching scenarios when challenging the guy attacking ATR) seem like fixable things—or things that will change outside of summer league which is—let’s be frank, sloppy basketball. I have my reservations about Scoot but the psych profile on both he and Clingan seem like they’re guys that like to be coached and are willing to do the work to get better. Even Clingan’s postgame responses seem like a guy who isn’t satisfied and wants to win/kill the other team.

does that mean Clingan will be a star? Eh, no. But it seems pretty clear Portland got good value in a shit draft, and I suspect the future version of Clingan will feature a cleaned up, more polished game. Will he ever have the fastest feet? Will he become a switchy, floor spacing big? No. But that doesn’t mean he can’t have a huge impact on the team. I’d settle for a perpetual all-defense type guy, sure!

just don’t miss on your draft picks. outside of a freak injury it seems like Portland got a decent player. next year is the year where you get your star.
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We got our star in 2022 in Shaedon. Hopefully another one next year.
 
mook said:
Embiid, Wemby, Giannis and Jokic have changed the archetype in sort of the same way Shaq did 25 years ago. Especially Jokic. You can't just go out there with versatile wings and expect to win.

You really have to have height and interior defense or these guys will kill you. It's much more important at this point than hitting threes at the center position. If you don't have one of these amazing bigs, you have to have an answer for them.
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People are going to point to the Celtics and deny this, but
1. The Celtics had Porzingis when they needed him and
2. I'm not sure the Celtics would have defeated the Nuggets, certainly without Porzingis. The Nuggets were defeated by a team with a big old-school center.

Now, would I like Clingan to be better offensively? Duh. He has distressingly poor touch, for one thing. But after years of having unbelievable shitty defense, it sure is refreshing to see our SL team winning with it (despite having effectively NOBODY who can score [well, maybe McGowens, and possibly Cui])
 
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