Clingan poll

[Pinwheel1]

Why did Hart's 3 point shooting instantly improve in New York? Ummm.. maybe his new teammates play better defense, and he wasn't stuck on an island wrestling with multiple scoring threats by himself ??

I am not sure that explains why he shot 31% from three last year with NY.
Yes, he got better when he immediately joined the Knicks but didn't he also shoot it better when he immediately joined Portland?

But to your point, yes going all out on defense does affect your offense.

 

[wizenheimer]

You chose Meyers because it fits your argument.

“I want no part of Lopez, KP, JJJ creeping into Clingan’s game.”—you could’ve easily used any of those names,.

Lopez: over his first 8 seasons in the NBA went 2-31 on three's. He shot less than 4 three's a season. He attempted a three every 11th game. He actually worked hard to establish his big man credentials before drifting out to the arc in his 9th season

Porzingis shot 36% on three's on 169 attempts in euro-league before migrating to the NBA

Jaren Jackson shot 40% on three's in his one seasons at MSU, and it was on 106 attempts; more than 3 attempts/game

you're right, I didn't use them as a comp because their three point resumes are completely different. On the other hand, from three, Meyers was 1-12 in two seasons at Illinois; Clingan was 2-9 in 2 seasons at UConn. Very similar. And when Meyers decided he was Reggie Miller is when his rebounding and defensive identity became weak. Meyers actually shot 73% on FT's in college which is generally predictive of shooting potential; Clingan shot 56%

a couple of other things: in college, when Meyers wasn't shooting three's, his FT rate was .413. In the NBA,, after his 2nd season when he went three-happy, his FT rate cratered down to around .150. Clingan's FT rate was .489. I want him to keep that FT rate up, even though his conversion rate on FT's is poor. Blazers will be better off if Clingan is missing some FT's rather than missing three's and generating long rebounds and transition opportunities for the other team

I said before I don't really care much about Clingan shooting three's next season. I think Portland's C rotation will be goofy anyway with the logjam they have. Clingan clanging some three's won't change anything. I just haven't seen anything from Clingan that makes me think him being 20-25 feet from the rim on offense is a good idea. And I sure haven't seen him flashing any potential as a three point threat, other than the threat of wasted possessions

 

[Whyachi]

Lopez: over his first 8 seasons in the NBA went 2-31 on three's. He shot less than 4 three's a season. He attempted a three every 11th game. He actually worked hard to establish his big man credentials before drifting out to the arc in his 9th season

Porzingis shot 36% on three's on 169 attempts in euro-league before migrating to the NBA

Jaren Jackson shot 40% on three's in his one seasons at MSU, and it was on 106 attempts; more than 3 attempts/game

you're right, I didn't use them as a comp because their three point resumes are completely different. On the other hand, from three, Meyers was 1-12 in two seasons at Illinois; Clingan was 2-9 in 2 seasons at UConn. Very similar. And when Meyers decided he was Reggie Miller is when his rebounding and defensive identity became weak. Meyers actually shot 73% on FT's in college which is generally predictive of shooting potential; Clingan shot 56%

a couple of other things: in college, when Meyers wasn't shooting three's, his FT rate was .413. In the NBA,, after his 2nd season when he went three-happy, his FT rate cratered down to around .150. Clingan's FT rate was .489. I want him to keep that FT rate up, even though his conversion rate on FT's is poor. Blazers will be better off if Clingan is missing some FT's rather than missing three's and generating long rebounds and transition opportunities for the other team

I said before I don't really care much about Clingan shooting three's next season. I think Portland's C rotation will be goofy anyway with the logjam they have. Clingan clanging some three's won't change anything. I just haven't seen anything from Clingan that makes me think him being 20-25 feet from the rim on offense is a good idea. And I sure haven't seen him flashing any potential as a three point threat, other than the threat of wasted possessions

I haven't looked at Blazers points in paint differential from last year. It's probably pretty far down on the list. It might be better keeping Clingan in the paint shooting 5 footers.

We're not the Coach, and we're definitely not Tom Haberstoh. That goofball would be happy if every player shot nothing but 3 pointers.

Offensive analytics can be cherry picked to disregard the general effort on both sides of the court. Hopefully Tom Haberstoh can rip out some defensive analytics with Clingan, because that's why Portland drafted a 7+ foot wall of "not in my house".

 

[HoopsFanAZ]

Lopez: over his first 8 seasons in the NBA went 2-31 on three's. He shot less than 4 three's a season. He attempted a three every 11th game. He actually worked hard to establish his big man credentials before drifting out to the arc in his 9th season

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I said before I don't really care much about Clingan shooting three's next season. I think Portland's C rotation will be goofy anyway with the logjam they have. Clingan clanging some three's won't change anything. I just haven't seen anything from Clingan that makes me think him being 20-25 feet from the rim on offense is a good idea. And I sure haven't seen him flashing any potential as a three point threat, other than the threat of wasted possessions

Portland's rebounders at forward have sucked for a while ... and if a BIG is shooting and hitting 3's from the top (and able to get back on D when he misses), then GOOD offensive rebounders are needed. Deni is a start. Clingan should work on his 3's, free throws ... everything. HOWEVER, he needs to focus on what is needed from him that he is good at. [I won't get over not getting Salaun or Cody Williams maybe ever, but I do appreciate what Clingan can do.]

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Portland's rebounders at forward have sucked for a while ... and if a BIG is shooting and hitting 3's from the top (and able to get back on D when he misses), then GOOD offensive rebounders are needed. Deni is a start. Clingan should work on his 3's, free throws ... everything. HOWEVER, he needs to focus on what is needed from him that he is good at. [I won't get over not getting Salaun or Cody Williams maybe ever, but I do appreciate what Clingan can do.]

I expect Cody will be a really good player. But I think Clingan is the type to make the entire team concept better plus being one of the best rim protectors.

I think we got this right.

 

[STOMP]

Portland's rebounders at forward have sucked for a while ... and if a BIG is shooting and hitting 3's from the top (and able to get back on D when he misses), then GOOD offensive rebounders are needed. Deni is a start. Clingan should work on his 3's, free throws ... everything. HOWEVER, he needs to focus on what is needed from him that he is good at.

Disagree. I'd much prefer his rookie year being a year for development of his body and game where immediate results are not the goal. This team is not competing for a championship any time soon and Donavan will likely only be getting spot minutes so the focus should be on the ultimate vision of what he could become not providing the best version of himself today. Keep hoisting away big man, there is plenty of time to dial it back if this part of his game doesn't blossum.

btw, 3 point misses equal long rebounds. Bigs camping out under the boards will still equal some results but there are plenty to be scooped up outside the paint by smaller/quicker players who track the ball well

STOMP

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Hopefully Clingan can one day be almost as good as a DPOY max contract center like Rudy Gobert. Those are the types of players that can play as a 5 minute backup to Guerschon Yabusele and Mathias Lessort - just as Gobert did today for France. It was an increase in Goberts minutes from 3 in the prior game.

That's just such a valuable type of center to have in today's NBA as a 3rd string option.

 

[Foxx]

I expect Cody will be a really good player. But I think Clingan is the type to make the entire team concept better plus being one of the best rim protectors.

I think we got this right.

health pending* it’s about a lock