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How do you feel about getting Clingan

  • Great pick!

    Votes: 62 56.9%

  • Meh

    Votes: 34 31.2%

  • NOOOOOO!!!!

    Votes: 13 11.9%
  • Total voters
    109
wizenheimer said:
it's crazy town in here right now

Clingan is 3-13 on three's in SL. He was 2-9 in 2 years and 74 games at UConn. That 5-22 (23%) from three in 78 games and people are pointing at that like it's a good thing. It's nuts

Clingan has showed he can dominate the paint & protect the rim defensively against SL competition. He appears to have good instincts and reactions to activity in the paint and actually seems to understand defensive rotations

but offensively, he's shooting 36% on FG's and 23% on three's; he's averaging 2 assists and 3 turnovers. Those are shitty numbers. The best attribute he has on offense right now is that he's averaging 5 offensive rebounds/36. He should not be drifting out to the 3 pt line; that's taking him away from what he does best in order to have him do what he does worst. Yeah, it's just SL but the fact that people are excited by him chucking three's is weird
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Or, it's summer league and he should be doing this to get better at it in in-game situations. Let the guy work on his game.
 
This kid is going to be really useful against big teams like Minnesota. It'll take this season for him to get up to NBA speed but he's going to be a really solid center for a long time. Great pick in this draft. He excels at everything Meyers Leonard sucked at except for maybe passing. They can both pass well
 
wizenheimer said:
it's crazy town in here right now

Clingan is 3-13 on three's in SL. He was 2-9 in 2 years and 74 games at UConn. That 5-22 (23%) from three in 78 games and people are pointing at that like it's a good thing. It's nuts

Clingan has showed he can dominate the paint & protect the rim defensively against SL competition. He appears to have good instincts and reactions to activity in the paint and actually seems to understand defensive rotations

but offensively, he's shooting 36% on FG's and 23% on three's; he's averaging 2 assists and 3 turnovers. Those are shitty numbers. The best attribute he has on offense right now is that he's averaging 5 offensive rebounds/36. He should not be drifting out to the 3 pt line; that's taking him away from what he does best in order to have him do what he does worst. Yeah, it's just SL but the fact that people are excited by him chucking three's is weird
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'That 5-22 (23%) from three in 78 games and people are pointing at that like it's a good thing."

Who exactly is pointing at 5-22 on threes being a good thing? And you say "people." Which people?

A straw man (also known as "strawman") argument is one in which the person sets up and then attacks a position that is not actually being debated.
 
wizenheimer said:
it's crazy town in here right now

Clingan is 3-13 on three's in SL. He was 2-9 in 2 years and 74 games at UConn. That 5-22 (23%) from three in 78 games and people are pointing at that like it's a good thing. It's nuts

Clingan has showed he can dominate the paint & protect the rim defensively against SL competition. He appears to have good instincts and reactions to activity in the paint and actually seems to understand defensive rotations

but offensively, he's shooting 36% on FG's and 23% on three's; he's averaging 2 assists and 3 turnovers. Those are shitty numbers. The best attribute he has on offense right now is that he's averaging 5 offensive rebounds/36. He should not be drifting out to the 3 pt line; that's taking him away from what he does best in order to have him do what he does worst. Yeah, it's just SL but the fact that people are excited by him chucking three's is weird
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Im sure he being coached to take a few threes a game especially if left wide open. Ive seen him shy away from it and also take a few. Id be more concerned if it was Sarr we had and he was being pushed around a lot and no shot a all.
 
blazerfan11 said:
'That 5-22 (23%) from three in 78 games and people are pointing at that like it's a good thing."

Who exactly is pointing at 5-22 on threes being a good thing? And you say "people." Which people?

A straw man (also known as "strawman") argument is one in which the person sets up and then attacks a position that is not actually being debated.
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if you don't feel like wading thru the game thread posts from last night, just look about a half dozen posts earlier in this thread when somebody said:

"I’ll admit, I didn’t see the vision until I saw Clingan hitting 3’s. That drastically changes everything."

that's what I was reacting to and it came after last night's game thread
 
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While I'm optimistic about Clingan flashing some game early on & preseason play hasn't dampened that, I'm not expecting regular production his rookie year. I doubt we see much of him paired with Ayton either. Give him a year and I'd guess he's solidly in the rotation, but in the meantime he's a 20 year old rookie.

I'm looking forward to seeing how a frontline of Clingan, Camara & Avdija blends in 2025-6... thats a lot of D

STOMP
 
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STOMP said:
While I'm optimistic about Clingan flashing some game early on & preseason play hasn't dampened that, I'm not expecting regular production his rookie year. I doubt we see much of him paired with Ayton either. Give him a year and I'd guess he's solidly in the rotation, but in the meantime he's a 20 year old rookie.

I'm looking forward to seeing how a frontline of Clingan, Camara & Avdija blends in 2025-6... thats a lot of D

STOMP
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this is the sensible take. he's not david robinson who will dominate year one. even joker had to backup nurk. the high expectations only sets him up for failure (see scoot)
 
Hoopguru said:
Im sure he being coached to take a few threes a game especially if left wide open. Ive seen him shy away from it and also take a few. Id be more concerned if it was Sarr we had and he was being pushed around a lot and no shot a all.
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If he's shooting under 30% from 3 and I'm coaching against him we'll leave him wide open.

Math is a wonderful thing.
 
STOMP said:
While I'm optimistic about Clingan flashing some game early on & preseason play hasn't dampened that, I'm not expecting regular production his rookie year. I doubt we see much of him paired with Ayton either. Give him a year and I'd guess he's solidly in the rotation, but in the meantime he's a 20 year old rookie.

I'm looking forward to seeing how a frontline of Clingan, Camara & Avdija blends in 2025-6... thats a lot of D

STOMP
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Won't Camara be behind Flagg in the rotation?
 
riverman said:
This kid is going to be really useful against big teams like Minnesota. It'll take this season for him to get up to NBA speed but he's going to be a really solid center for a long time. Great pick in this draft. He excels at everything Meyers Leonard sucked at except for maybe passing. They can both pass well
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See, this is where I disagree. He'll actually be useful against every team. This isn't some Kaiju battle (cue Cling Kong references) where it's just one giant battling another. Clingan is so valuable because he plays defense against the entire opposing team. That's why centers should always win DPOY no matter how good a perimeter defender is. This is what people who saw Edey score like 36 on Clingan in the NCAA final fail to get (same with the people who just note how much Jokic scores on Gobert when they play) - his primary role is not just to defend the biggest guy on the other team.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If he's shooting under 30% from 3 and I'm coaching against him we'll leave him wide open.

Math is a wonderful thing.
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Early one he will take at most 2-3 3's per game. If he hits 1 of 3 Im cool with that. If he goes 0 for 3 no big deal.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Won't Camara be behind Flagg in the rotation?
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Of course. And of course Minnesota's bold vision to get even bigger inspires an Edwards for Ayton swap further changing the starting lineup, but I'm still looking forward to seeing Clingan Deni & Camara spend some quality time together on the court

btw, it's preseason hoops with all it's importance so why in the world shouldn't Clingan be letting fly from the perimeter? It would be great if he develops that into an efficient weapon

STOMP
 
Hoopguru said:
Early one he will take at most 2-3 3's per game. If he hits 1 of 3 Im cool with that. If he goes 0 for 3 no big deal.
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If he's only hitting 1 for 3 there is no reason to have him out there. He's better off working his inside game.
 
Phatguysrule said:
If he's only hitting 1 for 3 there is no reason to have him out there. He's better off working his inside game.
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Im sure he will spend most of his time inside. He knows where his strengths are and how he can contribute to winning. We will have to many other guys throwing up threes anyway.
 
C_note said:
I'm ready to cut bait on Rupert and Murray.
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The only reason I would say to at least bring them to camp (besides their guaranteed contracts) is that they look so bad because they're being asked to do things out of their wheelhouse because the supporting cast is so bad. When they're surrounded by better players their still-very-good defense will be what matters. But yes, their complete shooting ineptitude is dispiriting.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
1 for 3 from 3 is 50% at the basket. Let it fly, big man!
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A big man should hit a higher percentage than 50% from inside.

But really i should have said if he's shooting 0 to 1 for 3 from 3pt range.

If you don't EXPECT him to be between 1-3 and 2-3 he probably shouldn't even be out there.
 
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Sounds like the forum has had a change of heart. You actually don't need a gazzel who can guard the perimeter and shoot 3 pointers at center...

Now imagine how excited you'd be about Clingan if he also had a good offensive game.
 
Phatguysrule said:
A big man should hit a higher percentage than 50% from inside.

But really i should have said if he's shooting 0 to 1 for 3 from 3pt range.

If you don't EXPECT him to be between 1-3 and 2-3 he probably shouldn't even be out there.
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You also don't draw fouls on 3pt shots. 50% sucks in the modern NBA.
 
beast crnjo said:
You also don't draw fouls on 3pt shots. 50% sucks in the modern NBA.
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And if your best rebounder is out jacking threes he's not inside getting rebounds.

He should honestly probably be shooting 38% to 40% in competitive drills before they even consider having him out there.

It would be nice if he could guard a big on the perimeter though.
 
I would rather have him work on short and midrange shots than 3s. He will never be a good long ball shooter. He should make 60% of his short range shots
 
Phatguysrule said:
And if your best rebounder is out jacking threes he's not inside getting rebounds.

He should honestly probably be shooting 38% to 40% in competitive drills before they even consider having him out there.

It would be nice if he could guard a big on the perimeter though.
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Only 4 centers in the league shot above what would equate to a 55% TS (which is below average efficiency), and they are all on the Timberwolves and Celtics. It sucks when someone goes off on you, but if opposing teams want to have their center jack up 3s against us, we'll win that more often than not.
 
The Blazers were last in three point percentage for the season at 34.5%.
Thats what makes us a legit shitty team w/o tanking.
Shoot the there Block Lobster as we are indeed tanking. Great time to develop as part of your arsenal.
 
AmirIcon said:
Like weeks ago before the draft, everyone is acting like they figured it out about Clingan. Too slow. Won't be a great shot blocker. No passing ability. Sit back and enjoy the process of his development.

We got a really good one here.
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The Block Lobster
 
Last game tonight.
Im actually expecting his best game yet. It seems he has improved every game snd im loving what be bring to the court.
He is actually quicker than he looks. He has great instincts which gives him that fast first step or lean. I think it makes up for his slower “Prodding” some seem to be concerned about and when he plays with real pga that understand the importance of his involvement? I see good things in the future.
 
SharpeScooterShooter said:
Last game tonight.
Im actually expecting his best game yet. It seems he has improved every game snd im loving what be bring to the court.
He is actually quicker than he looks. He has great instincts which gives him that fast first step or lean. I think it makes up for his slower “Prodding” some seem to be concerned about and when he plays with real pga that understand the importance of his involvement? I see good things in the future.
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When he gets in NBA shape he's going to be a beast!
 
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