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How is this mother fucking plodding WABC still not in good enough shape? Dude is gassed after 2-3 trips up and down the floor. Also, maybe work on dunking the ball. You are 7’ 2”. Stop settling for these bullshit layup attempts. Other than virtually any athleticism, he seems to have all the tools to be a very good defender, but his conditioning and touch are atrocious
 
If only he had spent the last two years on a successful program, maybe he would be in better shape.

Pathetic that he isn't better at the old age of 20, he should be a polished NBA starter by now.
 
I will admit he prolly should be in a tad better shape but he has been nicked up with minor injuries , not getting consistent playing time ( around same amount of min. per game ) so that part of his game has been slower to come around. I will say this off season and when he returns for his second season looking / hoping he has done the following things to get better.

1) Be able to play 25 to 28 minutes per game without being totally blown up.
2) Get a little more agile - maybe even lose 5 to 10 lbs but not sure if that is needed just random thought
3) develop a mid range shot 9 to 12 feet out kind of like Ayton only better
4) Work on inside game in terms of a shot he is starting to remind me of post injury Nurk ( not good ) but young so that can get better
5) Work on 3 point shot more and FT's


But most important --- not on him on the front office -- get Ayton the HELL off this team
 
Mediocre Man said:
How is this mother fucking plodding WABC still not in good enough shape? Dude is gassed after 2-3 trips up and down the floor. Also, maybe work on dunking the ball. You are 7’ 2”. Stop settling for these bullshit layup attempts. Other than virtually any athleticism, he seems to have all the tools to be a very good defender, but his conditioning and touch are atrocious
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One of my major concerns with him.

During the draft, most said that Edey was big & slow -> but would not apply those same criticisms to Clingan (who is worse athletically).
I'm holding out hope that he will be able to reshape his body during the off season.
 
last night, in mile high Denver, he played 31 minutes. He looked a little gassed at times, but even at minute 31 he was still dominating the glass.

He had a 33% rebound rate. For reference, Zubac's 22% rebound rate leads the NBA among qualified players (games & minutes), although Clingan's 22.7% rate is better, he just doesn't have the minutes

more than that though, is that Clingan grabbed 10 offensive rebounds for an offensive rebound rate of 30.4%. Kessler leads NBA among qualified players with an off reb rate of 16.4%. Again, Clingan is better at 18.5%; but yeah, not enough minutes. A player in terrible shape is not going to grab 10 offensive rebounds and post that rate of 30.4%. (Clingan had 10 off rebounds; Denver, as a team had 12) He may not be in optimal shape, but he's in good enough shape to generate the required effort to dominate the offensive glass. He's not in as bad of shape as some are claiming in this thread

here's the thing though, and speaking of Clingan's limited minutes: the best way to get in game shape is to get consistent minutes on a consistent rotation in actual games. Clingan has a coach that has not only throttled down Clingan's minutes way below what they should be, he has given Clingan wildly inconsistent minutes and has not brought him in the game at consistent times.

look at Clingan's minutes over the last 10 games:

17:37
20:20
10:37
7:44
11:06
9:34
16:53
5:52
21:09
31:00

that for a 20 year old rookie big man. I think if he was consistently averaging 25-30 minutes he might get into optimal shape. He's not going to with those kinds of minutes. The gap between his high and low in those 10 games is 25 minutes, which is about what he should have been averaging most of the season.

I think the notion that Clingan is in terrible shape is bogus; an exaggeration. But if you're somebody who thinks Clingan should be in much better shape, then you should determine the difference between what kind of shape you think he should be in vs the shape he's actually in and blame that difference on Chauncey, not Clingan
 
SharpesTriumph said:
If only he had spent the last two years on a successful program, maybe he would be in better shape.

Pathetic that he isn't better at the old age of 20, he should be a polished NBA starter by now.
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How in the world did you get polished NBA starter from I wish he was in better shape
 
SheedSoNasty said:
Maybe he’s like Jokic where he looks out of breath and unathletic all the time. He crushed it again last night despite looking gassed.
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Yeah, Jokic looks like a walrus and played virtually the whole game. Donovan was checking out every few minutes to go to the bench. I suppose Jokic has just gotten use to be unconditioned though.
 
Mediocre Man said:
How is this mother fucking plodding WABC still not in good enough shape?
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hurley and uconn had dude on a bulk-up program going into his soph year so he could thrash tiny-ass college dudes every night.

one would think the blazers staff will have him on a program that makes it easier for him to get up and down the court.
 
If Clingan was more athletic and better conditioned, we never would have had a chance to draft him, so it's a moot point. He would have almost certainly been the #1 pick. At least he can work on that weak area with the pro resources at his disposal.
 
wizenheimer said:
last night, in mile high Denver, he played 31 minutes. He looked a little gassed at times, but even at minute 31 he was still dominating the glass.

He had a 33% rebound rate. For reference, Zubac's 22% rebound rate leads the NBA among qualified players (games & minutes), although Clingan's 22.7% rate is better, he just doesn't have the minutes

more than that though, is that Clingan grabbed 10 offensive rebounds for an offensive rebound rate of 30.4%. Kessler leads NBA among qualified players with an off reb rate of 16.4%. Again, Clingan is better at 18.5%; but yeah, not enough minutes. A player in terrible shape is not going to grab 10 offensive rebounds and post that rate of 30.4%. (Clingan had 10 off rebounds; Denver, as a team had 12) He may not be in optimal shape, but he's in good enough shape to generate the required effort to dominate the offensive glass. He's not in as bad of shape as some are claiming in this thread

here's the thing though, and speaking of Clingan's limited minutes: the best way to get in game shape is to get consistent minutes on a consistent rotation in actual games. Clingan has a coach that has not only throttled down Clingan's minutes way below what they should be, he has given Clingan wildly inconsistent minutes and has not brought him in the game at consistent times.

look at Clingan's minutes over the last 10 games:

17:37
20:20
10:37
7:44
11:06
9:34
16:53
5:52
21:09
31:00

that for a 20 year old rookie big man. I think if he was consistently averaging 25-30 minutes he might get into optimal shape. He's not going to with those kinds of minutes. The gap between his high and low in those 10 games is 25 minutes, which is about what he should have been averaging most of the season.

I think the notion that Clingan is in terrible shape is bogus; an exaggeration. But if you're somebody who thinks Clingan should be in much better shape, then you should determine the difference between what kind of shape you think he should be in vs the shape he's actually in and blame that difference on Chauncey, not Clingan
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He had injuries too which determine is minutes while coming back.
 
No one is suggesting he is a finished product, but nonetheless, I want to point out that as long as he does not suffer a major injury, he will be a very good center for us in a few years.
I am confident that he can develop a go-to move in the paint. With his length, he just needs a little hook shot for his scoring to greatly improve.
 
Clingan, Williams & Delano are verging similar minutes. I would expect The Block Lobster to get a few more since Ayton is down.
 
Hoopguru said:
He had injuries too which determine is minutes while coming back.
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not according to his game log it didn't

he missed 7 games and over the next 11 games, he posted the most minutes in the 2nd game back. He played 19:21 in that game and over the next 9 games averaged 13 minutes
he then missed a game and then averaged over 24 minutes in 3 games
he then missed 5 games, played 38 minutes in his first 2 games back; then played 38 minutes over the next 4 games

there's not much rhyme or reason in this:

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wizenheimer said:
not according to his game log it didn't

he missed 7 games and over the next 11 games, he posted the most minutes in the 2nd game back. He played 19:21 in that game and over the next 9 games averaged 13 minutes
he then missed a game and then averaged over 24 minutes in 3 games
he then missed 5 games, played 38 minutes in his first 2 games back; then played 38 minutes over the next 4 games

there's not much rhyme or reason in this:

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Ever think of being an auditor for the US Government? lol
 
Hoopguru said:
Ever think of being an auditor for the US Government? lol
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nope

irony is when I was a contractor and would have lots of entries in my ledger, I always claimed to be lost trying to figure everything out, and tried to maneuver my CPA wife into doing my books for me. She fell for it for years but finally figured out my con

sitting down and doing my ledgers was fucking boring agony. Hated it. But stumbling thru sports stats is fun for me.
 
Mediocre Man said:
How is this mother fucking plodding WABC still not in good enough shape? Dude is gassed after 2-3 trips up and down the floor. Also, maybe work on dunking the ball. You are 7’ 2”. Stop settling for these bullshit layup attempts. Other than virtually any athleticism, he seems to have all the tools to be a very good defender, but his conditioning and touch are atrocious
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Go figure. You'd bitch if you were hung with a new rope. If Clingan was a black center you'd almost certainly be walking around with emission stains in your chinos after last night's performance......
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Go figure. You'd bitch if you were hung with a new rope. If Clingan was a black center you'd almost certainly be walking around with emission stains in your chinos after last night's performance......
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One has nothing to do with the other
 
The kid is still growing. He can't help it if he's built like a taller Chris Kamen! He needs to work on lateral speed at this point but get back to me when he can legally buy a beer.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
If only he had spent the last two years on a successful program, maybe he would be in better shape.

Pathetic that he isn't better at the old age of 20, he should be a polished NBA starter by now.
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This seems like a different argument.

One is about conditioning and one is about being a polished NBA starter. Someone could have amazing conditioning and be an awful NBA player.

But I do wonder if Clingan will ever be capable of being a consistent 35 mpg player, or will he be in that 25-30 minutes bracket.
 
Natebishop3 said:
This seems like a different argument.

One is about conditioning and one is about being a polished NBA starter. Someone could have amazing conditioning and be an awful NBA player.

But I do wonder if Clingan will ever be capable of being a consistent 35 mpg player, or will he be in that 25-30 minutes bracket.
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I think ideally we'll pick up a good small ball C so we can dictate the matchups and this will be a moot point. The small ball guy and Clingan will platoon at about 24 minutes a piece and be able to give it everything they've got during their time on the court.
 
Mediocre Man said:
How is this mother fucking plodding WABC still not in good enough shape? Dude is gassed after 2-3 trips up and down the floor. Also, maybe work on dunking the ball. You are 7’ 2”. Stop settling for these bullshit layup attempts. Other than virtually any athleticism, he seems to have all the tools to be a very good defender, but his conditioning and touch are atrocious
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This sounds exactly like the logic a certain GM used to trade Luka for jack.

20 rebounds, 17 pts, multiple blocks? He's out of shape, don't want to extend someone like that!
 
Kirkland has a really nice conditioner. Maybe we could get him a bottle.

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