Clingan’s conditioning

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My eyes are seeing the same thing as @Mediocre Man …DC looks gassed and definitely slows down after a few minutes playing. Sure he can play 31 minutes and put up solid stats, but what I’m guessing is his runs will be even more impressive as his conditioning improves.
 
ant said:
My eyes are seeing the same thing as @Mediocre Man …DC looks gassed and definitely slows down after a few minutes playing. Sure he can play 31 minutes and put up solid stats, but what I’m guessing is his runs will be even more impressive as his conditioning improves.
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Incoming lemmings in 3…2…1
 
I keep reading people writing “once Clingan will get in NBA shape he will be good”

what does people mean by this?

NBA shape means more muscles? Wouldn’t he be more slow with more muscles?

or are they talking about resistance?

but he was playing college basketball in the last two years and he’s been playing NBA basketball in the last months so it’s not like he was sitting on a desk working from computer

he should already have NBA conditioning, am I wrong?!

or do you guys think there’s margin of improvement in this sense?
 
Foxx said:
Bro looks like he took this thread personally
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Yeah he's been putting in way more minutes lately without putting his hands on his knees every time he gets down the floor on offense. Probably just needed to play enough to get his wind back after that last injury.
 
Portland2014 said:
I keep reading people writing “once Clingan will get in NBA shape he will be good”

what does people mean by this?

NBA shape means more muscles? Wouldn’t he be more slow with more muscles?

or are they talking about resistance?

but he was playing college basketball in the last two years and he’s been playing NBA basketball in the last months so it’s not like he was sitting on a desk working from computer

he should already have NBA conditioning, am I wrong?!

or do you guys think there’s margin of improvement in this sense?
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Endurance. Playing more than a few minutes before he gets winded.
 
Portland2014 said:
I keep reading people writing “once Clingan will get in NBA shape he will be good”

what does people mean by this?
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Physical endurance but also mental, as well.

260-280+ lb elite big men shoving each other around and jockeying for positioning is different versus the collegiate level. Then, getting that 260+ lb 7-foot frame to move at a fast pace for presumably 30 minutes a game over half a year with far less breaks in between games than during college.....that's also taxing.

Then, it's a clicking of the tools thing, too. Being able to efficiently utilize what skills that you have so that they can function in the NBA takes some time. Again, you're going up against NBA big men that would be considered "College MVP level" big men were they to enter into the NCAA, certain tools you have are going to need adjustments.
 
No, he shouldn't be in shape by now. Rookies who have never played this many games should be expected to have conditioning issues this late in the season.

The rookie wall is real.
 
dviss1 said:
I'm glad. Because he has all the tools to defeat that WABC tag.
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Not remotely

He has shit hands
Zero offensive footwork in the post
EXTREMELY slow footed
Can’t seem to dunk a ball unless it’s a lob

What he has is great instincts
 
Clingan just turned 21. One would assume a 60 year old long time NBA fan who has seen umpteen Bigs develop knows that it takes more time for them to fill out into their big frames and physically develop, but maybe the goal is to ignore the lessons time has taught them to be able to complain? Especially with sports fans, being upset about something/anything is the way some like getting a dopamine rush, so maybe thats whats happening here? Smh at those posters who seem to think the only way a player can increase their endurance is getting more NBA PT. As DC ages and continues to regularly do various aerobic activities including playing NBA games, like everyone else in the history of time his aerobic capacity will increase. If pointing out reality makes me a lemming in some posters eyes, thats on them for being so tied to their drama

I was very happy when they drafted Donovan and he has exceeded hopes of where he would be this season. Like it or not, he's a big part of Portland's bright future

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Clingan just turned 21. One would assume a 60 year old long time NBA fan who has seen umpteen Bigs develop knows that it takes more time for them to fill out into their big frames and physically develop, but maybe the goal is to ignore the lessons time has taught them to be able to complain? Especially with sports fans, being upset about something/anything is the way some like getting a dopamine rush, so maybe thats whats happening here? Smh at those posters who seem to think the only way a player can increase their endurance is getting more NBA PT. As DC ages and continues to regularly do various aerobic activities including playing NBA games, like everyone else in the history of time his aerobic capacity will increase. If pointing out reality makes me a lemming in some posters eyes, thats on them for being so tied to their drama

I was very happy when they drafted Donovan and he has exceeded hopes of where he would be this season. Like it or not, he's a big part of Portland's bright future

STOMP
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It doesn’t take bigs longer to develop, it takes project bigs longer to develop
 
Needs to spend the off-season getting in the best shape of his life.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It doesn’t take bigs longer to develop, it takes project bigs longer to develop
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I'm sorry... what rock were you under way back when he was drafted at 20 y/old that you didn't know he was a project Big??? Regardless, I'm sure if you complain some more it will speed up the process

STOMP
 
Chris Craig said:
Needs to spend the off-season racing horses.
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FTFY

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Nuggets’ Nikola Jokic happy with his horse-racing success

https://www.denverpost.com/2023/10/06/nikola-jokic-horses-stable-nuggets-training-camp-2023/
 
Clingan makes Nurkic look like Shaq when it comes to finishing down low. He needs to work on that for sure.
 
Prior to the draft I called DC a rich man's Pryzbilla. Joel came into the league at 21, but it wasn't until his 4th season in Milwaukee that he averaged more then the 19 MPG that DC is averaging... JP averaged 19.8 MPG for his 13 year career. The best PER rating he ever put up was 15.5 in 2004-5, which was his first in Portland when he was 25 y/old. So far in Donovan's rookie year he's posting a 16.8 PER.

I'm plenty critical of the team when things aren't going well but I see good reasons to be bullish on Donovan and his future.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Prior to the draft I called DC a rich man's Pryzbilla. Joel came into the league at 21, but it wasn't until his 4th season in Milwaukee that he averaged more then the 19 MPG that DC is averaging... JP averaged 19.8 MPG for his 13 year career. The best PER rating he ever put up was 15.5 in 2004-5, which was his first in Portland when he was 25 y/old. So far in Donovan's rookie year he's posting a 16.8 PER.

I'm plenty critical of the team when things aren't going well but I see good reasons to be bullish on Donovan and his future.

STOMP
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Yeah, he has a lot of work to do this summer on his game, and probably the next 10 summers. But I agree, he will keep getting better each year as long as he stays healthy.

There is no reason why he can't develop a go-to move in the paint that will be tough to block. Not with his length.

He will also keep getting better with mid-range and 3pt shots

His BBIQ is high, so that is not a worry.

The frustrating part is watching him get stripped by smaller players when he gets a rebound. Those 10-inch hands need to be more of a vise grip. There are exercises for that. He needs to focus on grip, finger strength, and overall hand stability.
 
I wondered how Clingan compares to other great rebounders and shot blockers in Blazer history:

Blocks (Minutes between Blocks):
  1. Hassan Whiteside - 10.2
  2. Theo Ratliff - 10.5
  3. Donavan Clingan - 11.9
  4. Bill Walton - 13.2
  5. Wayne Cooper - 14.2
  6. Greg Oden - 15.5
Rebounds (Minutes between Rebounds):
  1. Hassan Whiteside - 2.22
  2. Bill Walton - 2.49
  3. Donavan Clingan - 2.54
  4. Marcus Camby - 2.59
  5. Jusuf Nurkic - 2.76
  6. Ed Davis - 2.78
  7. Deandre Ayton & Chris Dudley - 2,95
  8. Greg Oden - 3.02
  9. Dale Schluter - 3.06
  10. Kermit Washington - 3.16
  11. Arvydas Sabonis - 3.31
As we all knew, Whiteside could really put up the numbers but he just didn't seem to help the team do better.

Clingan is no Walton but I love the fact that as far as rebounding and blocks go, he is right there with him.

I'm glad we got him.
 
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