Clippers trade CP3 to Rockets

[Natebishop3]

But the point still stands that when stars are traded it's NOT for other stars. So many of us who suggest this are laughed at by others who say the ONLY way to get a Jimmy Butler is by trading Dame/CJ. Well, the proof continues to pile up that that's rarely the case.

You don't have to trade stars, but you do need desirable assets.

The wolves traded Dunn (the 5th pick last season), LaVine (a young talented prospect still on his rookie contract), and the 7th pick in the draft.

I personally think that's a bad trade, but how could we match that offer without including CJ or Dame?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[julius]

What if Blake does the same? Opts in, and they get pieces for him from us.

Crabbe + Collins + future pick for Blake? I bet they'd do that. Would we?

No. Crabbe + Meyers and a future pick for him would be better (not that I think Collins will be a star, I don't know..just that Paul didn't get a current lotto pick player for him).

 

[KeepOnRollin]

But the point still stands that when stars are traded it's NOT for other stars. So many of us who suggest this are laughed at by others who say the ONLY way to get a Jimmy Butler is by trading Dame/CJ. Well, the proof continues to pile up that that's rarely the case.

That is because stars are almost always only traded when they want to leave the team in free agency. Jimmy is the one exception I have seen in many, many years. Stars predominately aren't dealt when they have 3 years left on their deal for example. I firmly believe a Butler deal at last year's deadline would have taken CJ for them to pull the trigger. They weren't ready to rebuild. Now they are and CJ's contract doesn't work for them. Plus he is still poison-pill until July anyways and they moved Jimmy in June.

But I agree with your overall point. Don't expect to get a big time star back. Picks and young talent is the way to go most times anyways.

 

[blue9]

What if Blake does the same? Opts in, and they get pieces for him from us.

Crabbe + Collins + future pick for Blake? I bet they'd do that. Would we?

Not Collins - that's an overpay. They have zero bargaining power. They can have any combo of Crabbe/Turner/Meyers/Davis/Aminu...and if Neil is feeling generous maybe Vonleh or Swanigan and a 2nd round pick.

 

[Five Second Violation]

Paul, Harden, and Moreyball is a crappy fit. 52 wins, 1st round exit.....

 

[craigehlo]

Paul, Harden, and Moreyball is a crappy fit. 52 wins, 1st round exit.....

They won 55 without CP3. They added a hall of fame point guard without giving up much. They are in the 60 win territory.

 

[Natebishop3]

They won 55 without CP3. They added a hall of fame point guard without giving up much. They are in the 60 win territory.

It's a horrible fit. You can't just put star players together and expect them to automatically succeed. It doesn't work that way.

 

[chzbrgr]

This is when they do the same to blake griffin and move the team to seattle. They suck to the top pick next year and draft that kid Broy was coaching and become our nemisis once again. Could you imagine a Doc/Stotts rivalry if we had to play them 4 times a year and they were the seattle team!?! That would be epic.

 

[SIeepwalker]

I hope they suck

 

[Storyteller2]

There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of what happened here by some people on this board.

Paul was not traded for scraps. He opted-in on his final year because he was agreeing to go to Houston. As Blue9 was saying, he was basically signing there. This allowed the Clips to get some value for him, and he can retain his bird rights for after next season.

So this is not another example of our team standing on the sidelines. We weren't going to try to sign Paul, and we shouldn't have tried.

Exactly.

 

[Sarni]

What if Blake does the same? Opts in, and they get pieces for him from us.

Crabbe + Collins + future pick for Blake? I bet they'd do that. Would we?

I would absolutely hate that trade.

 

[Storyteller2]

It's a horrible fit. You can't just put star players together and expect them to automatically succeed. It doesn't work that way.

I mean, can you imagine how good the Rockets could have been if they could have added Pippen and Barkley to Olajuwon?

 

[Nate]

I hope they suck

 

[Natebishop3]

I mean, can you imagine how good the Rockets could have been if they could have added Pippen and Barkley to Olajuwon?

Dude... check out how good my photoshop skills are!

 

[Minstrel]

And the main reason Pippen to Houston failed is because it was a terrible fit. That team was entrenched as a dump-it-down-to-Olajuwon-or-Barkley team; it was 15-20 seconds of pounding the ball in the post and either a post-up shot or a pass out to a shooter. Pippen was a glorified Cuttino Mobley, a floor spacer (and while Pippen had a serviceable outside shot, he was hardly a dead-eye shooter).

Pippen had much more success after that as a Blazer because he was able to play to his strength as the quarterback on offense, facilitating and filling in whatever was needed on a particular possession. He was never given that type of latitude on a team that belonged to Olajuwon and already had worked Barkley in.

I foresee more bad fit with Harden and Paul, but if Paul really is interested in playing off the ball and as a secondary ball-handler, they might make it work. I'll believe it when I see it, since apparently there was friction between Blake (a very good passing power forward) and Paul over how much Paul wanted to control the offense.

 

[Strenuus]

Beverley as a clipper with that annoying Doc as a coach.

It's like nothing really changed. :MARIS61:

 

[BigGameDamian]

I would absolutely hate that trade.

Ya because Collins is already an established NBA All Star like Blake Griffin.

 

[Five Second Violation]

They won 55 without CP3. They added a hall of fame point guard without giving up much. They are in the 60 win territory.

Don't see how they are better than the Clippers teams who were perennial 55 win/2nd round exit types. The pieces just don't fit that well. Houston probably overachieved last year anyways, but it was because their pieces were absolutely built around Harden and his controlling of the ball.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I thought he opted out. Cant he just sign with them?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I thought he opted out. Cant he just sign with them?

He was going to opt out and just sign with HOU. But he decided to help the Clippers out and opt-in and agree to a trade instead.

 

[trailblazer18]

How many good players are available for trade?
CP3 wasn't really traded - he essentially signed as a FA with HOU, even though technically the mechanism involves a trade.
Butler was traded for type of assets we don't have.
Paul George is a huge risk to bolt, so giving up good assets for a rental would be a mighty big gamble, and one we'd probably lose.

Also, we traded for Nurkic, who looked to be everything we could possibly want - so, we have traded for a good player. I think our next best shot at trading for a good player will come during the season.

You are right on. It was just my initial feelings when seeing the trade.

 

[julius]

Ya because Collins is already an established NBA All Star like Blake Griffin.

Blake Griffin isn't going to get better. He's in his what, 9th year? (He's played 7, this will be his 8th year but he missed his rookie season).

He still makes dumb mistakes that will plague him for his career.

Collins has the unknown in his favor. While sometimes that can lead someone to hold onto a player too long (phone call for Meyers Leonard), I guess the Blazers should've traded Damian for Dwight Howard. After all, Dwight Howard was an established NBA All Star.

Sometimes you don't just trade a young player (coughJermaineOnealcough) for a proven all star (coughDaleDaviscough), and not have to justify it because you think said young player will turn into said Jermaine O'neal.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Let's not forget they also traded for Scottie Pippen and Charles Barkley in their twilight, and got exactly dick for the efforts.

Clyde Drexler's reputation should be growing every time they do this.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

He was going to opt out and just sign with HOU. But he decided to help the Clippers out and opt-in and agree to a trade instead.

What a humanitarian. Could the Rockets have paid him the same if he signed as a FA? And now, can't he re-sign for huge $$$ next year?

 

[Natebishop3]

What a humanitarian. Could the Rockets have paid him the same if he signed as a FA? And now, can't he re-sign for huge $$$ next year?

Yup.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Blake Griffin isn't going to get better. He's in his what, 9th year? (He's played 7, this will be his 8th year but he missed his rookie season).

He still makes dumb mistakes that will plague him for his career.

Collins has the unknown in his favor. While sometimes that can lead someone to hold onto a player too long (phone call for Meyers Leonard), I guess the Blazers should've traded Damian for Dwight Howard. After all, Dwight Howard was an established NBA All Star.

Sometimes you don't just trade a young player (coughJermaineOnealcough) for a proven all star (coughDaleDaviscough), and not have to justify it because you think said young player will turn into said Jermaine O'neal.

And part of minimizing that risk is that collins could end up being trash.

Collins could be better, or he could be a dud. At least with blake you know what you're getting. An all star level player.

 

[Orion Bailey]

He was going to opt out and just sign with HOU. But he decided to help the Clippers out and opt-in and agree to a trade instead.

But then he just hurt his new team by forcing them to give up assets? don't understand that and I dont understand why he didnt go to the Spurs.

Dont know why he would do that... doesnt really make sense.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

But then he just hurt his new team by forcing them to give up assets? don't understand that and I dont understand why he didnt go to the Spurs.

Dont know why he would do that... doesnt really make sense.

HOU didn't have max money to hand him. They would have traded Lou and Bev (to another team) regardless to open up space. So they gave up a 1st more then they could have I suppose.

 

[Orion Bailey]

HOU didn't have max money to hand him. They would have traded Lou and Bev (to another team) regardless to open up space. So they gave up a 1st more then they could have I suppose.

Ahhh, understood. Thanks,