CNNSI on Kobe's Options

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I actually think your the one being homerish on this subject. You guys WANT Kobe to be a rapist. The would be the crown jewel of ammo against him. Obviously Im not saying you want a woman raped but I think you understand what Im trying to say.

Nah, it's enough that Kobe tore apart that championship team for the greater glorification of his own ego. The fact that he got away with rape I find to be a disgrace.

I am not a Kobe jocker by any means. He plays great basketball for the only team I care about in all professional sports....thats it. I would be the first Lakers fan to say"Send that fucking rapist to jail" if I actually thought he did it. I have never heard anything that makes me think it was rape rather than adultery.

PS. Still waiting for that link BlazerWookie

Ignorance is bliss.
 
Given the lack of desirable destinations for Kobe, I don't think he'll be out looking for a max length deal. Certainly max dollars, but maybe over 3 years rather than 6. He has a lot of miles on his legs and he has to head downhill at some point. He'll probably stay in LA anyway.
 
Given the lack of desirable destinations for Kobe, I don't think he'll be out looking for a max length deal. Certainly max dollars, but maybe over 3 years rather than 6. He has a lot of miles on his legs and he has to head downhill at some point. He'll probably stay in LA anyway.

If he flirts anywhere, it will be with the Knicks or Brooklyn Nets.
 
Nah, it's enough that Kobe tore apart that championship team for the greater glorification of his own ego. The fact that he got away with rape I find to be a disgrace.

So are we just gonna ignore Shaq screaming "Show me the money!" to the owner while playing in a preseason game? Are we gonna ignore Shaq's comment that "I heal on company time" when he decided to get surgery he needed at the END of the summer. Are we gonna ignore the fact that if the Lakers had given Shaq the max we wouldnt have Kobe and only a fat, old, and broken down Shaq? Dumping Shaq, while painful, was the smartest thing the Lakers could have done.

They both acted like children in that case. It was gonna be one or the other. The Lakers chose the guy who was younger and had the brighter future...Shaq is the one still being a bitch about it with his "Tell me how my ass tastes" rap.

I guess you are right...Ignorance is bliss.

Like I said before. I am by no means a blinded Lakers fan. Show/Link me what sold you on Kobe being a rapist rather than just a cheater. Paying someone to go away, especially in the celebrity world, is by no means an admission of guilt.

I guess we should rename the thread since it all about the Kobe Rape Case now...
 
So are we just gonna ignore Shaq screaming "Show me the money!" to the owner while playing in a preseason game? Are we gonna ignore Shaq's comment that "I heal on company time" when he decided to get surgery he needed at the END of the summer. Are we gonna ignore the fact that if the Lakers had given Shaq the max we wouldnt have Kobe and only a fat, old, and broken down Shaq? Dumping Shaq, while painful, was the smartest thing the Lakers could have done.

They both acted like children in that case. It was gonna be one or the other. The Lakers chose the guy who was younger and had the brighter future...Shaq is the one still being a bitch about it with his "Tell me how my ass tastes" rap.

I guess you are right...Ignorance is bliss.

Like I said before. I am by no means a blinded Lakers fan. Show/Link me what sold you on Kobe being a rapist rather than just a cheater. Paying someone to go away, especially in the celebrity world, is by no means an admission of guilt.

I guess we should rename the thread since it all about the Kobe Rape Case now...

I read this entire rant visualizing your avatar speaking the words in the post. It was pretty funny.
 
ahhh...just gonna ignore it since you dont want to hear the truth...nice

Down with Kobe! Rabble, rabble rabble!
 
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barely ever, am i ashamed to be a blazer fan...this thread makes me ashamed to be one.
 
barely ever, am i ashamed to be a blazer fan...this thread makes me ashamed to be one.

The Lakers always have room for new fans baby!! Just admit your fanhood of the Lakers before opening night and its all good!! :cheers:
 
^eh...your loss :)

So cmon MaxieP...your just gonna ditch our discussion with a snide remark after I told you the truths of the matter. Nothing personal...bring it! Or maybe you can say " Gee DaRizzle, I never thought of it that way, nor knew as much as you about the drama surrounding the Lakers,. I think you may be right."

Its ok to admit when you are wrong...even on a message board :cheers:
 
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I feel jipped! Get back in here and back up your argument maxiep! Admit you were wrong or show me why you arent!!!
 
Nah, it's enough that Kobe tore apart that championship team for the greater glorification of his own ego. The fact that he got away with rape I find to be a disgrace.



Ignorance is bliss.

Ignorance is bliss. :)
 
So are we just gonna ignore Shaq screaming "Show me the money!" to the owner while playing in a preseason game? Are we gonna ignore Shaq's comment that "I heal on company time" when he decided to get surgery he needed at the END of the summer. Are we gonna ignore the fact that if the Lakers had given Shaq the max we wouldnt have Kobe and only a fat, old, and broken down Shaq? Dumping Shaq, while painful, was the smartest thing the Lakers could have done.


You overpay for stars, because you are underpaying them when they're in their prime. Sure Shaq made a ton of money with that new deal, but he brought Miami a championship. How much do you pay for that championship? By trading Shaq, you probably cost yourself another two or three rings. That's worth having him clog your cap at the back end of his contract.

And let's be clear, that initial trade was bad and then the Kwame trade made it worse. It was only the benevolence of the Griz that saved Mitch's bacon.

They both acted like children in that case. It was gonna be one or the other. The Lakers chose the guy who was younger and had the brighter future...Shaq is the one still being a bitch about it with his "Tell me how my ass tastes" rap.

I guess you are right...Ignorance is bliss.

But a competent management structure who has control of their player doesn't let it get to that level. It was the tail wagging the dog. As for Shaq still complaining, Kobe started it up again when he brought up the issue that Shaq paid a girl $1MM to keep her mouth shut about their affair. He was basically responsible for Shaq's marriage breaking up.

Like I said before. I am by no means a blinded Lakers fan. Show/Link me what sold you on Kobe being a rapist rather than just a cheater. Paying someone to go away, especially in the celebrity world, is by no means an admission of guilt.

I guess we should rename the thread since it all about the Kobe Rape Case now...

As I said before, all of his actions--going after the woman's character, sending PI's throughout the Vail Valley with money to dig up dirt, leaking confidential information, etc., and then finally paying the woman off--leads one to the conclusion that he was not only guilty, but guilty as hell.
 
I feel jipped! Get back in here and back up your argument maxiep! Admit you were wrong or show me why you arent!!!

Man, I can't help but laugh. Everytime I see you start getting angry, I hear it in my head as a whining and crying Sasha!
 
If Kobe ever became a Blazer, I would not renew my season tickets and put by Blazer fandom on hiatus until he left.

I understand your opinion max, and I used to agree with you, but I've changed my mind in the last year or so. Kobe has impressed me, especially with his attitude during the Olympics.
 
I'd be thrilled if the Blazers signed Kobe Bryant. That should lock up a few championships.
 
You overpay for stars, because you are underpaying them when they're in their prime.
Woah what?!? The NBA is a business, teams owe the players exactly what is on the contract. No team should commit roster suicide by "owing" someone to be overpaid.

Sure Shaq made a ton of money with that new deal, but he brought Miami a championship. How much do you pay for that championship? By trading Shaq, you probably cost yourself another two or three rings. That's worth having him clog your cap at the back end of his contract.
Congrats to Miami, what they do has NOTHING to do with the Lakers situation. The Lakers look out for themselves and no one else. You are wrong about missing 'ships too. The Lakers had already lost in the 04 finals, the Kobe/Shaq relationship was damaged beyond repair for whatever reason you want to say. I was over, done, nada.

And let's be clear, that initial trade was bad and then the Kwame trade made it worse. It was only the benevolence of the Griz that saved Mitch's bacon.
Sorry, wrong again. Lakers had a choice, Kobe or Shaq...'there was no chance to keep both. It wasnt coincidence that the day after Shaq left town Kobe resigned. Kobe was seriously contemplating going to the Clippers among others. It was one or the other.



But a competent management structure who has control of their player doesn't let it get to that level. It was the tail wagging the dog. As for Shaq still complaining, Kobe started it up again when he brought up the issue that Shaq paid a girl $1MM to keep her mouth shut about their affair. He was basically responsible for Shaq's marriage breaking up.
Now you are trying to change the argument (again). Management is irrelevant to what had already happened. Dont cry over split milk. They had to make a decision at that point. Again, I never said Kobe wasnt an asshole. IMO Kobe and Shaq are both assholes.

As I said before, all of his actions--going after the woman's character, sending PI's throughout the Vail Valley with money to dig up dirt, leaking confidential information, etc., and then finally paying the woman off--leads one to the conclusion that he was not only guilty, but guilty as hell.

Oh, so if you ever get accused of rape and you have disposable income you wouldnt try your damndest to beat the charges...give me a fuckin break. Once again, no actual evidence that shows his guilt. NOTHING. You want him to be a rapist to justify your hate towards him. He cheated on his wife.
 
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Woah what?!? The NBA is a business, teams owe the players exactly what is on the contract. No team should commit roster suicide by "owing" someone to be overpaid.

You misunderstand my point. Contracts are capped--30% of the salary cap at the time the deal was signed. Shaq was making around $15MM when he was at his peak, and he was worth probably double that. Ergo, when his value drops to $5-7MM a year and he's making $20MM, it evens out.

Congrats to Miami, what they do has NOTHING to do with the Lakers situation. The Lakers look out for themselves and no one else. You are wrong about missing 'ships too. The Lakers had already lost in the 04 finals, the Kobe/Shaq relationship was damaged beyond repair for whatever reason you want to say. I was over, done, nada.

Sorry, wrong again. Lakers had a choice, Kobe or Shaq...'there was no chance to keep both. It wasnt coincidence that the day after Shaq left town Kobe resigned. Kobe was seriously contemplating going to the Clippers among others. It was one or the other.

I disagree with your assertion. BTW, it was Kobe that caused the rift, not Shaq. Like it or not, Shaq was the reason for the rings. Kobe may have been the better player, but his talents were more easily replaced that were Shaquille O'Neal's. Kobe needed to show more respect for Shaq, but he wanted the glory for himself. Of course, Kobe is all about him, and he paid the price. He'll never be another Jordan.

Now you are trying to change the argument (again). Management is irrelevant to what had already happened. Dont cry over split milk. They had to make a decision at that point. Again, I never said Kobe wasnt an asshole. IMO Kobe and Shaq are both assholes.

I'm not changing the argument. I'm adding a third character. Someone in management needed to sit Kobe down and talk to him. They didn't, and the franchise paid the price.

Oh, so if you ever get accused of rape and you have disposable income you wouldnt try your damndest to beat the charges...give me a fuckin break. Once again, no actual evidence that shows his guilt. NOTHING. You want him to be a rapist to justify your hate towards him. He cheated on his wife.

First, I wouldn't cheat on my wife.

Second, if I'm ever accused of a rape I didn't commit, I let the evidence speak for itself. If I'm innocent, there wouldn't be any evidence. The girl not only had Kobe's man-juice in her, but she also had vaginal abrasions and had been roughed up a bit, items consistent with struggle during sex, aka rape.

Kobe's not coming to this party innocent. I'm sure he's had lots of women outside of marriage. Why was this one different? Why wasn't he more careful? It's his arrogance that makes him think he can get away with anything, and in this case it wasn't arrogant at all. He did get away with it. He paid the girl off because if it came to a court case, he was going to Canon City.

As for justifying my hate for him, the manner in which he carries himself on the court and that ridiculous Italian rap with Tyra Banks is all the justification I need.
 
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First, I wouldn't cheat on my wife.

Second, if I'm ever accused of a rape I didn't commit, I let the evidence speak for itself. If I'm innocent, there wouldn't be any evidence. The girl not only had Kobe's man-juice in her, but she also had vaginal abrasions and had been roughed up a bit, items consistent with struggle during sex, aka rape.

Kobe's not coming to this party innocent. I'm sure he's had lots of women outside of marriage. Why was this one different? Why wasn't he more careful? It's his arrogance that makes him think he can get away with anything, and in this case it wasn't arrogant at all. He did get away with it. He paid the girl off because if it came to a court case, he was going to Canon City.

Yeah and she also had a bunch of sex with different partners and 90% of the league cheats on anyone.

As for justifying my hate for him, the manner in which he carries himself on the court and that ridiculous Italian rap with Tyra Banks is all the justification I need.

Lol now you've just lost it.
 
Sometime within the last few months Kobe was asked about Lebron and his "domination" of the east. Kobe's response was something along the lines of "Put me in the east and see what happens". Lebron's team isnt shit, sure it relies on Lebron but the team isnt total chopped liver. If you put Kobe on that team it would more or less be the same team they have now. A team that took the Celtics to seven games...
Mike Brown does not equal Phil Jackson. You can have a better coached less talented team (say 2004 Argentina Olympic mens team) that beats a more talented team with less coaching and less of a system in place. Clearly a team with AI, Redd, Wade, rookie Lebron, Marion, Okafor, Odom, Boozer, and Tim Duncan has more talent than a team with Ginobili, Nocioni and guys who wouldn't be 8th men on NBA teams.

So are we just gonna ignore Shaq screaming "Show me the money!" to the owner while playing in a preseason game? Are we gonna ignore Shaq's comment that "I heal on company time" when he decided to get surgery he needed at the END of the summer. Are we gonna ignore the fact that if the Lakers had given Shaq the max we wouldnt have Kobe and only a fat, old, and broken down Shaq? Dumping Shaq, while painful, was the smartest thing the Lakers could have done.

They both acted like children in that case. It was gonna be one or the other. The Lakers chose the guy who was younger and had the brighter future...Shaq is the one still being a bitch about it with his "Tell me how my ass tastes" rap.

I guess you are right...Ignorance is bliss.
Shaq was a big baby, but I mean he was pissed because Kobe was a ballhog, taking bad shots, in the 2004 Finals trying to get the Finals MVP. Coming right off that, on top of their previous disputes, Shaq basically felt it would only be worth it for him to be on a team with Kobe Bryant if they overpaid him. He didn't demand 33 mill per year in Miami. And the Lakers would have had good title shots.
 
Mike Brown does not equal Phil Jackson. You can have a better coached less talented team (say 2004 Argentina Olympic mens team) that beats a more talented team with less coaching and less of a system in place. Clearly a team with AI, Redd, Wade, rookie Lebron, Marion, Okafor, Odom, Boozer, and Tim Duncan has more talent than a team with Ginobili, Nocioni and guys who wouldn't be 8th men on NBA teams.


Shaq was a big baby, but I mean he was pissed because Kobe was a ballhog, taking bad shots, in the 2004 Finals trying to get the Finals MVP. Coming right off that, on top of their previous disputes, Shaq basically felt it would only be worth it for him to be on a team with Kobe Bryant if they overpaid him. He didn't demand 33 mill per year in Miami. And the Lakers would have had good title shots.

Shaq overreacted, and Kobe did have a bad Finals series that year. However in 03-04 his stats leveled off in general due to various issues.
 
Shaq overreacted, and Kobe did have a bad Finals series that year. However in 03-04 his stats leveled off in general due to various issues.
He probably did, but that was his point. He didn't really want to be with the Lakers which is why he demanded such a large number. He didn't want to play with Kobe after he was a ballhog taking bad shots during the Finals, which Shaq wanted to win.
 
Kobe is not a rapist
The Lakers made the right decision in choosing Kobe over Shaq
 

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