Connecticut School Shooting

[julius]

There are 300,000,000+ guns in the USA. Why aren't there 300,000,000 shootings, crimes, etc? Seems there are other purposes.

Because I said KILLING SOMETHING, not crime.

I'm willing to bet you the house I don't own that there are far more uses for a car then there are for a gun.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

OK. Rasta, since you live in Flint, where there's a 1-in-42 chance that you're going to be a victim of a violent crime, I'm going to impose a complete gun ban, because as you said, trampling rights is ok if it saves one life.

Is it that you can't read or you don't want to? Did I say "trampling ALL rights"? Go back and quote me correctly.

I'm also going to impose a 6pm curfew, b/c a vast majority of these crimes takes place at night.

Please stop trying to give arguments. You're just not good at it. Once again you use ludicrously inept analogies. If people were killing other people with night then it would work. If the night was for nothing else but killing people, then it would work. Neither applies.

And since it seems that we can't trust average citizens,

Did you know that "average citizens" aren't allowed to handle plutonium? Don't you think that's an outrageous lack of trust? Think of all the legitimate uses they might discover for plutonium if Big Brother wasn't trampling on them and their rights.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Didn't automatic weapons get banned in 1994? None of the weapons reportedly used today, or in Clackamas, or Gabby Giffords' attempted assassination have been reported as automatic weapons.
(sig, glock, ar-15)

 

[magnifier661]

1. Why is it important?
2. What if we decide that you're only responsible if you don't want a gun?

I already explained why. You just didn't quote that portion of my post.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

There are 300,000,000+ guns in the USA. Why aren't there 300,000,000 shootings, crimes, etc? Seems there are other purposes.

Paperweights. Vases for long-stem roses. Prosthetic limbs. Novelty golf clubs. You're right, I'd never really thought about it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Didn't automatic weapons get banned in 1994? None of the weapons reportedly used today, or in Clackamas, or Gabby Giffords' attempted assassination have been reported as automatic weapons.
(sig, glock, ar-15)

The ban was allowed to expire.

 

[Haakzilla]

...more perspective?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Hey, Denny - here's what the real Denny Crane thinks!

That's just some actor who played Denny Crane in a TV show.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Banning cars prevents 35,000 deaths.

I'm trying to find some logic in your argument.

That would require
1. Reading the argument.
2. Understanding logic.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That's just some actor who played Denny Crane in a TV show.

Well shit, way to break the fourth wall!

 

[PapaG]

...more perspective?

Tear ducts are on the inside of the eye, not the outside.

Just saying...

 

[julius]

Didn't automatic weapons get banned in 1994? None of the weapons reportedly used today, or in Clackamas, or Gabby Giffords' attempted assassination have been reported as automatic weapons.
(sig, glock, ar-15)

the ban, iirc, was lifted in 04 (if we're talking about the same thing)

 

[BrianFromWA]

Please stop trying to give arguments. You're just not good at it. Once again you use ludicrously inept analogies. If people were killing other people with night then it would work. If the night was for nothing else but killing people, then it would work. Neither applies.

60% of murders are with guns, which means (lemme check the math...) 40% are with methods other than guns. There's a stronger correlation between people being killed at night than people being killed with a gun.

What method of logic allows you to say that the Second Amendment can be trampled to save one life, but the Third and Fourth shouldn't be trampled to save that same life?

But keep up with the personal attacks if you think that's working for you.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

so if we ban all new gun sales, what happens to the 300,000,000 guns already out there?

 

[BrianFromWA]

the ban, iirc, was lifted in 04 (if we're talking about the same thing)

I see and stand corrected. So I can't buy a handgun, but someone somewhere can legally buy an automatic machine gun?

 

[RR7]

so if we ban all new gun sales, what happens to the 300,000,000 guns already out there?

bonfire?!

 

[PapaG]

so if we ban all new gun sales, what happens to the 300,000,000 guns already out there?

Turn them in by force by the military. I'd start first with white Republicans, knocking door-by-door with search warrants.

And RGIII, too. He might be a GOP member as well. Some guy on ESPN says he may be an Oreo.

 

[julius]

Tear ducts are on the inside of the eye, not the outside.

Just saying...

um...you've never seen someone have a tear come from the outside of the eye?

and your comment, and the pathetic picture posted in the OP, are just that. pathetic.

 

[PapaG]

um...you've never seen someone have a tear come from the outside of the eye?

and your comment, and the pathetic picture posted in the OP, are just that. pathetic.

Call me cynical. All I've seen from politicians all day are calls for gun control. Obama just sent $1billion worth of missiles to Morsi. I wonder if any kids will be killed by those weapons?

EDIT - Is everybody here a "global moderator" here these days? LOL

S2 now has its own caste system.

 

[RoyToy]

so if we ban all new gun sales, what happens to the 300,000,000 guns already out there?

I believe all gun owners are upstanding people and they that would feel the moral obligation to turn them in.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

MURDER is bad, and aside from the big cities, america doesnt really have a pronounced problem with it, like i said, oregons murder rate is similar to canadas

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

The 2nd amendment was referring to muskets and cannons and could not have foreseen the killing machines of today.

But anyway, here's another reason nothing will change: the firearms industry in American made over 30 billion dollars in 2011, and paid 2.5 billion in taxes.
http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/26/2311773/firearms-industry-jobs-up-30-percent.html

 

[julius]

Call me cynical. All I've seen from politicians all day are calls for gun control. Obama just sent $1billion worth of missiles to Morsi. I wonder if any kids will be killed by those weapons?

EDIT - Is everybody here a "global moderator" here these days? LOL

S2 now has its own caste system.

I was forced to be a GM a while ago, papa.

in fact, and you can ask denny or anyone else, i was surprised when i found out and thought it was a glitch in the system. I'm not sure why you're concerned over me being a GM, I've never deleted anything you've said (or if i have, it was because of a necessary reason) or done whole lot of modding in this forum outside of getting rid of a few Greg Oden penis pictures.

But if you feel the need to label me as the bad guy, and you're the victim, go ahead. Slypokerdog already hates me anyway.

 

[PapaG]

MURDER is bad, and aside from the big cities, america doesnt really have a pronounced problem with it, like i said, oregons murder rate is similar to canadas

I keep finding myself on the same side of arguments as you lately. I actually kind of like it, because while today was a complete depressive experience, I find the politicization going on right now by supposed "leaders" to be reactionary, and not a sign at all of leadership.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

The 2nd amendment was referring to muskets and cannons and could not have foreseen the killing machines of today.

But anyway, here's another reason nothing will change: the firearms industry in American made over 30 billion dollars in 2011, and paid 2.5 billion in taxes.
http://www.kansas.com/2012/04/26/2311773/firearms-industry-jobs-up-30-percent.html

eliminating all guns in america would be a huge boon for the knife market though

 

[RR7]

I keep finding myself on the same side of arguments as you lately. I actually kind of like it, because while today was a complete depressive experience, I find the politicization going on right now by supposed "leaders" to be reactionary, and not a sign at all of leadership.

I would think, though, that a lot of legislation is more reactionary. We didn't stiffen travel security until after 9/11. Was it bad for people to call for tighter restrictions on travel, airport security, etc.? Was it reactionary and politicizing the issue to have stricter rules?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

ideally, laws could be made rationally, and not with an army of pitchforks and torches blinding the masses with rage and fear

 

[julius]

ideally, laws could be made rationally, and not with an army of pitchforks and torches blinding with rage and fear

have you met our country before?

 

[RR7]

ideally, laws could be made rationally, and not with an army of pitchforks and torches blinding the masses with rage and fear

AGreed, but I think often, the pitchfork crowd, essentially, brings forth the idea of legislation, and then, hopefully, there's rational thought debate, and legislating as it calms down.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

have you met our country before?

i know full well that this country is lead along on a leash by its "leaders", but that doesnt mean i have to like it