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So to reiterate, someone who has been vetted by the government to be trustworthy in some pretty sensitive areas, someone trained in multiple firearms safety courses and tactical trainers, who just wants to buy a standard-issue weapon is prohibited from doing so at a firearms sales store in CA.

The Clackamas shooter obtained his weapons illegally.

The Connecticut shooter didn't need to reload or have "mega-mags" because he had 4 weapons (**if ABC news is to be believed).

The DOJ has reported that multiple gangs in CA traffic weapons illegally. CA led the nation in 2011 in gun murders. Yet a law-abiding veteran trained in weapons safety and usage can't get a standard-issue handgun at a store.

And more laws/gun control is supposed to help? More emphasis on the size of magazines available to be sold, or the number of weapons allowed?
 
BrianFromWA said:
So to reiterate, someone who has been vetted by the government to be trustworthy in some pretty sensitive areas, someone trained in multiple firearms safety courses and tactical trainers, who just wants to buy a standard-issue weapon is prohibited from doing so at a firearms sales store in CA.

The Clackamas shooter obtained his weapons illegally.

The Connecticut shooter didn't need to reload or have "mega-mags" because he had 4 weapons (**if ABC news is to be believed).

The DOJ has reported that multiple gangs in CA traffic weapons illegally. CA led the nation in 2011 in gun murders. Yet a law-abiding veteran trained in weapons safety and usage can't get a standard-issue handgun at a store.

And more laws/gun control is supposed to help? More emphasis on the size of magazines available to be sold, or the number of weapons allowed?
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CNN is reporting that the shooter had a Bushmaster version of the AR-15.
 
I could not imagine a more horrific crime scene that those 1st responders found. That would give you nightmares for life.
 
^^I've been thinking of that video for days now. $5000 bullets...
 
Shooter now identified as ADAM Lanza???

Will it be Ryan again in 30 minutes?

Gotta love our media.
 
Restrictive gun laws would be mere palliatives, like putting Neosporin on a gangrenous limb. There's something deeply and inherently wrong in large parts of this society, and it's not just bullying or mental illness or a few nuts.
 
PapaG said:
Shooter now identified as ADAM Lanza???

Will it be Ryan again in 30 minutes?

Gotta love our media.
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I just sorta knew some over caffeinated news producer would get a critical fact wrong in the rush to be "first"
 
Blaze01 said:
Which is already banned in Conneticut? Is this correct?
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depends. If it was a stock, stripped-down Bushmaster (no sights, no telescoping stock, no flash suppressor, semi-automatic only--as opposed to burst or auto-capable--, etc.) then it would have been legal.
 
A law enforcement source told CBS News two pistols, a Sig and a Glock, were found in the school and a Bushmaster rifle was found in a car.​
 
BrianFromWA said:
So to reiterate, someone who has been vetted by the government to be trustworthy in some pretty sensitive areas, someone trained in multiple firearms safety courses and tactical trainers, who just wants to buy a standard-issue weapon is prohibited from doing so at a firearms sales store in CA.

The Clackamas shooter obtained his weapons illegally.

The Connecticut shooter didn't need to reload or have "mega-mags" because he had 4 weapons (**if ABC news is to be believed).

The DOJ has reported that multiple gangs in CA traffic weapons illegally. CA led the nation in 2011 in gun murders. Yet a law-abiding veteran trained in weapons safety and usage can't get a standard-issue handgun at a store.

And more laws/gun control is supposed to help? More emphasis on the size of magazines available to be sold, or the number of weapons allowed?
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Those are valid points, and tell me that how we go about gun control probably doesn't work as it should.

Try, try again.

And for what it's worth, states with stricter gun control laws have fewer gun related deaths.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
You sound like you have some tough guy swagger there. That's what I'm talking about: you guys fantasize about being tough and the gun puts you over the edge from acting tough to being tough. We'll see how good the value proposition of a gun is against a mugger already on your ass at the ATM, or a carjacker already pointing a gun at you. Can you even hope to act fast enough to keep your head in one piece? Science says no. You start with a robber and a carjacker, but pulling a gun turns them both into murderers pretty quick.

And calling people who don't see the point of gun ownership pants wetting pussies doesn't do you any favors in dispelling the myth of the gun owner as dick-so-hard to use the gun as a vigilante.
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ok

this is so over the top

you have zero idea what you are talking about

there are people that are trained to stay in the moment and act under pressure, nothing to do with how you preceive it
 
Well crap. this is seriously fucked up and I like most of you are stunned. I see a lot of people trying to figure out why we have this issue and how to stop it or fix it. We covered a lot of the gun contol issues in another thread and people are talking metal illness, and various other thoeorys. I don't have a fix for the problem but I do have an outside of the box theory on why we have these issue in todays society. I believe the root cause is our governments monetary policy and constant inflation. What you say? Here goes....

Think back to the 50's family structure. We had mostly single income family supported by the Dad with the Mom taking care of the kids. These kids had their Mom available to help nurture and support kids through their deveolpment and teaching them how to deal with issues. When inflation really kick started, once we got off the gold standard, the American family compensated by sending the Mom to work, at least part time, to make up the income difference. As time goes on and it bacame harder for these familys to make ends meat so the Moms became more and more career orientated spending less time at home to support their children emotionally so they could support their kids financially. Even when the parents were home they are often were so exhausted and not willing to deal with their kids. Each generation became less family oriented and more work oriented and with less parenting skills or abilities leading to a higher divorce rate and single parents with even less support for raising their children. Fast forward to the 90's where many more kids were raised by TV's and to the 2000's where TV's were replaced by video games and we are seeing an exponential increase in these types of troubled kids who are now becomeing young adults and have no copeing abilities.
 
hoojacks said:
And for what it's worth, states with stricter gun control laws have fewer gun related deaths.
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Chicago, NYC, and DC have some of the strictest gun control laws, and they have the highest gun-related deaths by capita in the US.
 
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We are by far the most violent industrialized nation, but we are actually getting much better.
 
donkiez said:
I believe the root cause is our governments monetary policy and constant inflation. What you say? Here goes....

Think back to the 50's family structure. We had mostly single income family supported by the Dad with the Mom taking care of the kids. These kids had their Mom available to help nurture and support kids through their deveolpment and teaching them how to deal with issues. When inflation really kick started, once we got off the gold standard, the American family compensated by sending the Mom to work, at least part time, to make up the income difference. As time goes on and it bacame harder for these familys to make ends meat so the Moms became more and more career orientated spending less time at home to support their children emotionally so they could support their kids financially. Even when the parents were home they are often were so exhausted and not willing to deal with their kids. Each generation became less family oriented and more work oriented and with less parenting skills or abilities leading to a higher divorce rate and single parents with even less support for raising their children. Fast forward to the 90's where many more kids were raised by TV's and to the 2000's where TV's were replaced by video games and we are seeing an exponential increase in these types of troubled kids who are now becomeing young adults and have no copeing abilities.
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...you could be onto something +/- :sherlock:
 
kind of disturbing how many Adam Lanza accounts have popped up on facebook in the last couple of hours. What's wrong with people?
 
Some of the students thought a wild animal had gotten into the school and were eating kids.

Heartbreak.
 
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