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illmatic99 said:
You're missing the point. Unforeseen deaths are just that. Unforeseen.

This IS controllable with common sense precautions. Limiting exposure by postponing or canceling spectator sports is a really easy fix.

The economy comes secondary. You apparently think you disagree with him, but yet you are echoing every thing Trump is saying and doing. Dude just put pressure on the feds to reduce interest rates as his way to tackle corona. Hope that helps the businesses you're so concerned with.
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Transportation comes secondary, we shouldnt drive. Kills 35K a year. Society comes secondary, people get sick from others. Kills people too. Should stay inside all day.

You're attributing Trumps words as the cause for peoples thoughts. Thats bullshit. People can think for themselves. Suggesting I'm lapping up that bullshit is stupid, because you should know better than that. Right?

My opinion:

Obviously its a threat. I believe the threat is a bit overstated, especially for normal healthy people. If you're not one of those, you probably shouldnt go. If youre sick or showing symptom, dont go. If you do go, be smart, wash your hands, dont touch your face, etc.
 
illmatic99 said:
There's a reason why the LA Marathon and its 500k expected participants and spectators are looking to postpone it this weekend. The NCAA is seriously deliberating playing tournament games in front of an empty stadium.

Yet, the lack of concern and dismissive attitude by people is staggering. Do people not realize how big of a deal this could be? I work in the Pharma industry and it's baffling how little information people are getting about this. Any potential vaccine is more than a year away and we have so little knowledge of how this could pass.
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It’s a big deal, but there’s also the recognition that life goes on. We’re going to do what we can to slow the spread, but we can’t stop it. The virus is almost certainly going to become endemic and humans and our immune systems are going to have to adapt to it as we have countless other pathogens.

As far as the death rate goes, the WHO number grabbed by the headline writers around the world is far from the full story. We probably would do better to listen to actual scientists than live off headlines:


The death rate is likely to change further as more cases are confirmed, though experts predict that the percentage of deaths will decrease in the longer term since milder cases of COVID-19 are probably going undiagnosed.


"There's another whole cohort that is either asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic," Anthony Fauci, the director of the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said at a briefing last month.


"We're going to see a diminution in the overall death rate."
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...ate-is-higher-than-thought-but-it-should-drop
 
e_blazer said:
It’s a big deal, but there’s also the recognition that life goes on. We’re going to do what we can to slow the spread, but we can’t stop it. The virus is almost certainly going to become endemic and humans and our immune systems are going to have to adapt to it as we have countless other pathogens.

As far as the death rate goes, the WHO number grabbed by the headline writers around the world is far from the full story. We probably would do better to listen to actual scientists than live off headlines:




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...ate-is-higher-than-thought-but-it-should-drop
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Wait, are you saying that what Trump said is similar to what Facui said? Not cool man--that doesn't fit the narrative.
 
BonesJones said:
Except that mortality rate is based on confirmed cases, and there's asymptomatic carriers and people with light symptoms that have the disease but will never be confirmed. Ive rrad that the mortality rate is predicted to be 0.7%...

The mortality rate is much lower for young, healthy people.

So essentially, dont go to a game if your sick, or if your at higher risk for health complications due to the virus. People will be smart or stupid regardless of if theres a crowd at sporting events.
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Nah bro. Mortality rate is about 3%.
 
More people die in car accidents. But have you seen a president tell people not to wear seat belts because his hunch is car crashes are less deadly than what NTSB claims? That is what science illiterate in chief is doing. His hunch is less than 1 percent based on nothing. Tells people who are infected to go to work. People are going to fucking die because of his stupidity.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Wait, are you saying that what Trump said is similar to what Facui said? Not cool man--that doesn't fit the narrative.
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Think of it in terms of the blind squirrel and the acorn and it fits better.
 
Here’s a really informative interview. (From British TV instead of American sensationalist drivel; who would have guessed?):

 
crandc said:
More people die in car accidents. But have you seen a president tell people not to wear seat belts because his hunch is car crashes are less deadly than what NTSB claims? That is what science illiterate in chief is doing. His hunch is less than 1 percent based on nothing. Tells people who are infected to go to work. People are going to fucking die because of his stupidity.
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I swear I saw that 0.7% from a different much more reputable source than him. But yeah, hed needs to stop spreading conjecture. Its irresponsible given his position.
 
e_blazer said:
It’s a big deal, but there’s also the recognition that life goes on. We’re going to do what we can to slow the spread, but we can’t stop it. The virus is almost certainly going to become endemic and humans and our immune systems are going to have to adapt to it as we have countless other pathogens.

As far as the death rate goes, the WHO number grabbed by the headline writers around the world is far from the full story. We probably would do better to listen to actual scientists than live off headlines:




https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sc...ate-is-higher-than-thought-but-it-should-drop
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Exactly.
 
Told to stay home, suspected coronavirus patient attended event with Dartmouth students

BOSTON — When an employee of the Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center in New Hampshire showed signs of possible coronavirus last week, a medical worker who had examined him told him to avoid contact with others, pending further tests. Instead, he went to a mixer at a crowded music venue.

Three days later, he was confirmed as the state’s first coronavirus case.

And now a second case has been confirmed — a “close contact” of the patient’s — raising new questions about what should happen when suspected coronavirus patients ignore requests to self-quarantine.

https://www.boston.com/news/health/...atient-attended-event-with-dartmouth-students
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah theyre twisting his words on that one.
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Don't even like Trump, but I think this is the type of stuff that causes his defenders to be like, "witch hunt!!" and ignore people's legitimate complaints. Cause he actually didn't say what people are claiming that he said and running with it... He says enough things that aren't true that we don't need to make stuff up...
 
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This is what Trump said,

“So you can’t put them down in the category — the overall population — in terms of this corona-flu, or virus, you have thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by sitting around — and even going to work — some of them go to work. But they get better.”

Corona-flu?!?

You have hundreds of thousands of people that get better by going to work.?!?

Stupid.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
This is what Trump said,

“So you can’t put them down in the category — the overall population — in terms of this corona-flu, or virus, you have thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by sitting around — and even going to work — some of them go to work. But they get better.”

Corona-flu?!?

You have hundreds of thousands of people that get better by going to work.?!?

Stupid.
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Yeah, I don't see how that's somehow twisting his words.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
This is what Trump said,

“So you can’t put them down in the category — the overall population — in terms of this corona-flu, or virus, you have thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by sitting around — and even going to work — some of them go to work. But they get better.”

Corona-flu?!?

You have hundreds of thousands of people that get better by going to work.?!?

Stupid.
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Yes, but people are saying he said, "You should go to work". He didn't say that. So you want to run off and say he's got his numbers wrong which he normally does, or his semantics for the naming convention was off ok. It seems like saying he's telling sick people they should go to work might be the lie here not the other way around... Cannot believe I'm on here defending Trump. It's a cold day...
 
I can not stress this enough, the coronavirus is not about you. It's not about how sick you might get, it's not how tough you are, or how great of an immune system you have, or how you've never had the flu. It's not about you.

It's about giving a fuck about your family, friends, neighbors, and fellow Americans not to spread the virus to the elderly and medically fragile.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
This is what Trump said,

“So you can’t put them down in the category — the overall population — in terms of this corona-flu, or virus, you have thousands or even hundreds of thousands of people that get better, just by sitting around — and even going to work — some of them go to work. But they get better.”

Corona-flu?!?

You have hundreds of thousands of people that get better by going to work.?!?

Stupid.
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Trump has always suffered from blabberitis. He picks up bits and pieces of things people tell him and distributes them randomly, as the disconnected neurons in his brain happen to fire off, without any thought as to overall message.
 
Trump's words aren't being twisted, except by an extreme desire by some to play technicalities. Technically he never told people to go to work with the Coronavirus. But he certainly encouraged that behavior by claiming that lots of people are getting better just going to work. That's a distinction without a difference.
 
Minstrel said:
Trump's words aren't being twisted, except by an extreme desire by some to play technicalities. Technically he never told people to go to work with the Coronavirus. But he certainly encouraged that behavior by claiming that lots of people are getting better just going to work. That's a distinction without a difference.
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It's a huge distinction and a huge difference. He didn't encourage it he said it happens and like with the most virus' it's more than likely true that someone somewhere has gotten it and went about their day and gotten better, acknowledging that isn't encouraging going and getting others sick.
People are literally saying he said to go to work because it fits their narrative. He didn't say that. I didn't hear his entire interview because I don't really care what he has to say about the subject, but there is a difference in the two.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
It's a huge distinction and a huge difference. He didn't encourage it he said it happens and like with the most virus' it's more than likely true that someone somewhere has gotten it and went about their day and gotten better, acknowledging that isn't encouraging going and getting others sick.
People are literally saying he said to go to work because it fits their narrative. He didn't say that. I didn't hear his entire interview because I don't really care what he has to say about the subject, but there is a difference in the two.
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People are going to hear what they want to hear.
 
Again, "You have hundreds of thousands of people that get better by going to work."

While you may argue that he's not directly telling people to go to work he did say you can get better if you go to work. That is very dangerous and will only cause the virus to spread further.

Again, it's not about you, it's about not spreading it to others.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Again, "You have hundreds of thousands of people that get better by going to work."

While you may argue that he's not directly telling people to go to work he did say you can get better if you go to work. That is very dangerous and will only cause the virus to spread further.

Again, it's not about you, it's about not spreading it to others.
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So, what was the context of that statement? What question was he answering? Was someone asking how people should behave if they have symptoms? Or was he talking about something else entirely?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
People are going to hear what they want to hear.
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It's really unfortunate that in our hyper-partisan political environment today that so much effort is spent on playing "gotcha" instead of trying to work together towards solutions. Trump is NEVER going to be able to speak on any topic without screwing something up. He's also NEVER going to be able to do anything without making it political with some claim about his wonderful management of the issue or how the Democrats and "fake" news outlets are just trying to make him look bad. It's a waste of time debating it. It's just a normal condition that is going to last until he's out of office. That said, I don't interpret him as encouraging people to go to work; he was just trying to say most people get better without medical intervention. He said it stupidly, and it can be misinterpreted and will be, but that's just situation normal.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
So, what was the context of that statement? What question was he answering? Was someone asking how people should behave if they have symptoms? Or was he talking about something else entirely?
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